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| dumblonde Senior Member  2352 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Dec 2 2000 : 2:41PMAs a relative newbie to the internet, as well as to appreciating porn, I've been observing with part fascination, part disgust the antics, professional ethics ( or lack thereof ), and sometimes downright meaness of some of the major players in the porn industry ( certainly not all, but probably the lion's share ) . It's no wonder so little has changed, or the industry rarely if ever has any positive controversy, when someone dares to speak up they are bullied, beaten down, and threatened with lawsuits . The basis of such litigation eludes me - slandering their good name perhaps? They might want think that one through before proceeding. So, now I'm learning what a sham the AVN awards are as well. This is not to detract from anyone who has been nominated or has won an award - but I would think that even they would have to agree that such an award would be much more meaningful if the whole thing wasn't so obviously an exercise in back-scratching of the good-ole-fellas network. Which brings me to the point of this post. Why not have our own (meaning ADT) awards bestowed on the truly worthy DVDs, maybe voted on by our illustrious and impartial reviewers? Sure, we're a relatively small group right now, but so what? Now, I don't mean having a big, costly awards show or anything, but something from ADT based solely on merit would not be viewed by anyone as insignificant, as they will not be based on how many advertising dollars were spent with any magazine. And yes, I would absolutely expect derision, attempted smack-downs, even laughter from those who know that they don't rightly belong on the noms list, when more deserving works are ignored, and they know thatwe know what's going on. I say, let them laugh and the louder the better! This would be an example of positive controversy, and could possibly actually aid in elevating porn, which is what we all want, right? I was astonished to hear Tina say that she had never won an award, and she is far more deserving than most. Hey Tina, maybe you should have done Fishbein, heh heh. But seriously, this is just another conspicuous example of omission. So, I was interested to hear what y'all think. Am I being naive to think that it's do-able?
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| HoustonDon Member Houston 561 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 2 2000 : 4:01PM In a sense, everyone knows where my votes go (look at anything getting a 4 or better) for best dvd's. I'm all for it. What do you propose? Start with a best dvd, best scene, best actress and actor, best extra's, and most lovable member in the business(sure, I'm tailoring a niche for Tina-who cares?)?  [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 2 2000 : 4:24PM [Link] |
| Oneloa Member 848 Posts 2/00 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 2:55AM - [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| VCArules inactive user Shit town, IL, USA 53 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 8:24AM -VCArules [Link] |
| Emahevul Adult Film Central 119 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 9:30AM I too am speaking up to say that I believe it would be a great idea. You have already established a name for yourselves in the "biz" and I think that it would mean a lot to those performers/directors/writers/etc to receive a nomination/award. Emahevul [Link] |
| dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 10:14AM So, it would be interesting to hear everybody's ideas & then Drew, Steph & Rog work out the details. Probably should have a maximum number of noms per category, heh heh! And what categories would there be? One thing I thought was, although just the reviewers should vote on most of the noms, to have one where the rest of us could vote on, like fan favorite or something. I predict these will grow with prestige each year. These will be the ones that really count! [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 12:49PM [Link] |
astroknight  Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 1:29PM Second, this is a great idea, as long as DivaX still gets nominated. I especially like the idea of doing it between Adult DVD Talk and DVD Porn Reviews. [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 6:42PM we've been talking to Rog about this for over a year. we really want it to be fair and have the awards encompass more than a few people's opinions. it's difficult because we've all seen a select number of dvds (though rog has seen more than most humans :) but i think we can put together a committee of well rounded dvd watchers. i have some ideas for how to run an online 'ceremony' - but that's really the least complex issue of them all (fun to think about anyway :) [Link] |
| HoustonDon Member Houston 561 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 7:56PM Steph: "well rounded"?!? Oh boy, she means me! ;) (as I look to my well rounded body) I volunteer my services. I can be fair and impartial. Would it be best to have the members nominate titles and then have the committee chose from that list or would you prefer to have the company's nominate the best they made that year (providing ample review copies for the committee) and have us vote? I like the idea of fan favorites too. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. [Link] |
| Diville Member 102 Posts 12/99 | Posted - Dec 3 2000 : 10:57PM As for the categories, methods for choosing winners, and ways of letting those winners know they did good, I don't have any real suggestions at this point, though I probably will sometime later. My only request is that there be no opening dance number, no Billy Crystal cracking wise to the orchestra pit, and under no circumstances would I feel comfortable with the presence of Whoopi Goldberg. [Link] |
| VCArules inactive user Shit town, IL, USA 53 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 7:04AM 1.No statues will be given. -VCArules [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 8:58AM 2. The awards aren't just about porn stars. They are just as much about the studios, directors and and other people that are involved in producing a DVD. A DVD awards program isn't about your favorite fuck scene or human pin cushion. Would a studio be honored by an award that is in essence a People's Choice award? I think so. 3. Let the studio reps and stars that participate here comment on number 3. 4. Maybe we can get a group discount on head examinations. So many of us around here appear to be delusional. I thank you for being so concerned for our mental well-being. Can you recommend any good shrinks? [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 9:19AM Why do you waste your time on a 'dinky' website? I can nearly guarantee that not one person here cares what you have to say. You ripped off a valued member of this community with a bad trade. And you insult people on a regular basis. Why don't you go somewhere with meaning? [Link] |
| VCArules inactive user Shit town, IL, USA 53 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 9:27AM -VCArules [Link] |
| VCArules inactive user Shit town, IL, USA 53 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 9:30AM [Link] |
| David Lord Member 236 Posts 9/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 10:04AM David Crawford David Crawford [Link] |
| HoustonDon Member Houston 561 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 10:23AM 2) All of the stars and production people I've seen in chat have been very nice to us. When we compliment them, they always seem to appreciate it. In such a negative industry, I'm sure they find it nice to hear something positive once in awhile. As far as this site being "dinky", I can only say that if this is the case, how come it has so many people in the industry clamoring to become affiliated with it or use it as a way of learning more about what customers want? 3) Doesn't mean anything to whom? Obviously it means something to someone or there wouldn't be so many people using the site's resources-be they the forums, price search, or reviews (amoung other things). 3.1) AVN, for all it's MANY faults, has a lot of support. Most of the support coming from advertisers that know (or have very good reason to believe) that they will receive better reviews and/or support in return based on how many pages of advertising they buy. I hear this from people that worked there-ie: Gene-as well as companies that have won (or lost) various awards. At times, even the common man (like me) notice major problems with their choices that go beyond simple mistakes. A few have been pointed out here recently. 4) The idea has been mulled for a long time by Steph, Drew and Roger. While I routinely disagree with each of them, this is a good idea and they were quite sane to think of it. Smartblonde started this thread so I commend her foresight too. What's the downside to the idea? Perhaps that no one will care? Big deal! A lot of people visit this site and if they don't care, so be it. Don't fault people for trying to expand on the ways this site can help consumers. Personal attacks on members are also prohibited. By claiming DB should have her head examined, you broke the rules. It's a good thing you left before you were kicked off, huh? (see, since you aren't a member anymore, I can say all this and stay inside the rules. Let's face it, how many places can you go that care about the consumer first? How many set things up in such a way that also help the industry promote it's better side? Too few! I'm glad to part of this community and have tried to contribute in return. I always wondered if you've ever seen a dvd you didn't give an almost perfect grade (or even one you liked enough to write more than a paragraph about), I guess I'll never find out. As far as the site going downhill, I'll chalk it up to sour grapes since you never mentioned a single reason WHY you thought so. I hope you find rec.arts.movies.erotica more fulfilling with it's huge noise to signal ratio... Bye! Steph and Drew: You were both more than nice to him for a long time. It's to both of your credit that you didn't return his hostile attitude in fair measure. Apparently, he had such a fixed viewpoint about what is/was/should be about everything, that he had no ability to grow beyond his limitations. We're better off without him. [Link] |
| Endorphin Luminary 1185 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 12:52PM Rule 1: Judges may not have a member name that promotes a particular production company. For example, something like VIVIDRules or VCARocks.(We might even consider the same for reviews) Rule 2: A nominee is disqualified(or is that wins) if they have cybersex with a judge. Rule 3: During the ceremony, Endorphin will be referred to as "His Royal Funkyness Whom We all Love and Adore and Admire".(Hey! If you don't like it, you come up with the rules. Rule 4: HoustonDon gets an award for "most well-thought out comments". The prize? A new keyboard. Don, you gotta have worn that thing out by now Rule 5: Anyone who nominates a Dirty Debutantes Movie shall be thrown in a pit with rabid Koala Bears. "Ain't nobody funky like me" From Partyman by Prince FREE THE WEED [Link] |
| The Wanderer All-Star Member 192 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 6:39PM As far as the voting is concerned, I'm not sure why you would need a committee to shortlist titles or decide the winners. Why not adopt a similar system to the Academy Awards where every registered user casts their votes, which are then counted to decide the nominees. Once the shortlist is drawn up for each category (max.4 or 5 titles) a second round of voting by members decides the winners. Whatever you decide on it should be good fun and is sure to generate plenty of publicity for Adult DVD Talk.
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| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 6:46PM [Link] |
| The Wanderer All-Star Member 192 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 7:07PM How does the voting work at other sites, such as IMDB.com? Just curious. [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 7:28PM i think the nominations should absolutely come from the people. but how can people legitimately vote in a category where they have only seen two of the nominees? when i say committee - i don't mean people who think they're porn experts. i mean a group of people who've seen enough porn to make intelligent decisions - a group of people with different tastes. i, personally, do not qualify to be a judge (just as an example.) IF there are judges, i think they should have to explain WHY they voted for something. that's one of my issues with the AVN awards. they could have said 'we nominated dinner party cause it's a great movie - we know there are problems with the dvd...' IP addresses are not a solid means of foiling cheaters. I won't explain all the ways to get around that, but there are plenty. Certain studios have discovered ways around that and tried submitting reviews on their own product (at least with a review it's pretty obvious.) We can make it difficult to cheat. But we can't prevent it. No website can. [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 7:38PM 1)Only registered forum members will be able to vote/cast nominations. (i.e. registered voters only) 2)Nominations will be made through a special entry form on the web site. To confirm the nomination an email will be generated and sent to the address in the profile of the registered forum member. There will be a link in this email that they must click to 'cast' their vote. After the vote is 'cast' no more entries will be accepted from that email address. 3)After the nominations are tabulated a similar voting process will be used to select the winners as in #2 above. Of course there may be ways around this process but they will be quite cumbersome. I will attempt to make it as difficult as possible to stuff the ballot box. How does this sound? [Link] |
| dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 8:38PM As far as the voting goes, I just thought at first the reviewers, because most of them are more knowledgable about what makes a dvd good, including the technical side of things, [Link] |
| astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 8:42PM [Link] |
| astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 8:43PM [Link] |
| Diville Member 102 Posts 12/99 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 9:55PM Sorry 'bout that. I've been saying that since 1993 and will continue to say it until somebody laughs. What I lack in a sense of humor I'm trying to make up for in persistence. As far as the call for labotomies is concerened, that's not such a bad idea. While drastic, I suspect a professionally performed labotomy would be very relaxing. [Link] |
| Oneloa Member 848 Posts 2/00 | Posted - Dec 4 2000 : 10:58PM When can I start campaigning??? - [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 8:01AM I think we are getting together with Rog sometime soon. We'll work out the details. [Link] |
| dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 9:05AM "i think the nominations should absolutely come from the people. but how can people legitimately vote in a category where they have only seen two of the nominees?" Can someone please answer this question? If we want these awards to have the prestige and ability to reward good work, hence encouraging more good work, [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 10:37AM I think we would have to pick a group of judges. We will incorporate the popular vote and the judges' votes in some type of mathematical model. Something along the lines of each judge can cast one vote per category. In addition to the judeges' votes the first place winner of the popular vote gets X number of votes, second place gets (X-Y) votes. The value of X and Y will be set to be equivalent to roughly 25% and 10% of the total number of votes, respectively. That way the popular vote can influence the decision but is not solely responsible. (This concept and percentages are only meant for discussion purposes. They aren't set in stone.) I think the panel of judges should be comprised of reviewers from both ADT and Rog's site in equal numbers. We'll get copies of the DVDs out to the judges if they haven't seen a title so they can make an informed decision. We will have a limited number of categories this first time around. I would like to limit it to 5 DVD specific categories with 4 nominees each. Any more and the process becomes too large in scope.
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| Oneloa Member 848 Posts 2/00 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 3:29PM Our biggest problem (as several have stated) is finding someone that has seen all the movies. I don't think that's going to happen. So, we might have to go with the popular vote of less than perfect voters. Let's keep this fun and not take it too seriously. - [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| The Wanderer All-Star Member 192 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 7:16PM If you have a true people's awards then everyone votes for their favourite movie/performer and the most popular always wins. The winners don't have to be the most 'worthy' or critically acclaimed. I disagree with the assumption that the only people capable of making intelligent decisions are the ones who've overdosed on porn recently, especially when the majority of porn movies released on DVD are absolute garbage.Maybe other people are wiser and therefore more selective when choosing which DVDs to watch, but that shouldn't make their opinions less worthwhile. [Link] |
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| The Wanderer All-Star Member 192 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 7:23PM [Link] |
| Darkmage Member State of Denial 328 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 8:26PM "There's a sucker born every minute, but swallowers are hard to find. " Edited by - Darkmage on Dec 5 2000 [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 5 2000 : 9:24PM [Link] |
| Oneloa Member 848 Posts 2/00 | Posted - Dec 6 2000 : 12:00PM - [ invalid url ] [Link] |
| astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 6 2000 : 12:18PM [Link] |
| dumblonde Senior Member 2352 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Dec 6 2000 : 9:15PM didn't click their mouse correctly? Or what if they get confused on what button to click and vote for the wrong movie? We'd have nothing but lawsuits." In the words of George W. Bush "tuff titties"! ;) I think that if the guys vote with their hand, and not their dick (as a dick has tendancy to double-click) [Link] |
| rubberman Member Mesa, Arizona, United States 7 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Dec 7 2000 : 10:53AM Any choices made with the enthusiasm of the ADT members would definitely make it to the top of my want list. I would love to know how I could help. I might not have seen all the dvd's out there, but I'm working on it. :) [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 7 2000 : 11:24AM i have to run to LA for the day - when i get back i will post our meeting notes so we can get all of your feedback. we're shooting for mid-February for the actual awards ceremony (held online of course :) so more later... (sorry to leave you hanging :) [Link] |
| Endorphin Luminary 1185 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Dec 7 2000 : 1:35PM [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Dec 7 2000 : 1:46PM [Link] |
| astroknight Questionable Moderator Tastes so good... 4187 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Dec 7 2000 : 2:16PM Blow their WADs! Seriously, though, it's a good idea for a name. [Link] |
| Endorphin Luminary 1185 Posts 3/00 | Posted - Dec 7 2000 : 2:19PM I need a Cliff Notes version of this thread. I'm gettin dizzy reading it. Here is what I gather.. 1. Awards suggested.(Give dumblonde credit) 2. We're working on it 3. VCARules attacks idea and leaves. 4. Remaining members wage war. 5. Endorphin injects humor, but it goes unnoticed. 6. Serious discussion continues. Drew works on math problem. Endorphin gets confused. 7. Endorphin fully appreciates the irony of extending a long post by saying it needs a cliff notes version. [Link] |
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