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christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 11:44AM my question of the day for you guys is what constitutes a porn star? would you consider someone who only does girls a porn star? like tanya danielle? would you consider someone who has only done 2 movies a porn star? like austyn moore? whats the criteria? is there criteria? react to me porn fans!!!! [Link]
Lee O Forearm Trainer mmmmmmm........ after-birth 1193 Posts 8/03	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 12:06PM You've got the same watch as me and I've mislaid mine. Give it back! I noticed while watching you boff Deauxma on that My Friend's Hot Mom site. Porn Stars? Girl girl is fine, but maybe a little more exclusive a club to enter. Think Janine or Sandy. As for number of movies I'd guess more than a few, but less than a lot. Make of that what you will. 6 or more for feature? around 20 for gonzo? I'm really just pulling numbers out of my ass. Being a big enough cheese to be on more than a few boxcovers probably doesn't hurt. Though the phrase is so ubiquitous many just use "porn star" in place of "porn performer". [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 12:09PM First reaction, frankly: DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER THREAD ON DEFINITIONS OF PORN STAR? Second reaction: Juha, behave, give a nice answer. In my opinion a "porn star" is somebody who moves product by his name. I know many people consider "porn star" as a general term for anybody who has ever appeared in porn. [Link]
Zartyr Member 700 Posts 7/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 12:18PM Lee O wrote: Being a big enough cheese to be on more than a few boxcovers probably doesn't hurt. Though the phrase is so ubiquitous many just use "porn star" in place of "porn performer". Click to expand s/more than a few boxcovers/more than a few boxcovers of "decent/well-known (outside of the raincoater niche) companies" Some boxcovers for more or less obscure conmpanies do not count. A boxcover for anything other than Vivid, Wicked, Private, DP, EA (in Europe add Goldlight/Dorcel/Colmax produced/distributed movies) does not count. Just because you are on the cover of movies some Basque hat wearing Gauloises smokers are familiar with doesn't make a movie star, being the hip babe of raincoaters does not make a pornstar. Edited by - Zartyr on 10/2/2005 12:20:02 PM [Link]
Zoid Senior Member Boobies and Anal 2004 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 12:39PM porn stars = contract girls the rest are porn whores. but, seriously, I've never given the definition much thought. Porn star is simply a person starring in porn productions. [Link]

Isabel_Ice Member I was living in the dark... but now I see the light... 338 Posts 2/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 12:43PM Zoid wrote: the rest are porn whores. Click to expand That's us... and we LOVE it! [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 1:29PM Zartyr wrote: Some boxcovers for more or less obscure conmpanies do not count. A boxcover for anything other than Vivid, Wicked, Private, DP, EA (in Europe add Goldlight/Dorcel/Colmax produced/distributed movies) does not count. Click to expand So you're saying, for example, that Lanny Barbie's spectacular covers for 3rd Degree (and others) over the past year "don't count"? And, yes, I'd consider Lanny Barbie a "pornstar" by any standard. FYI, I'm not a Lanny Barbie SFB (slathering fan boy). I just think that being the "cover girl" for certain limited studios is just a ridiculous standard. I can accept the idea that, IF you are a cover girl for a major studio, you are virtually, by definition, a "star." However, there are many stars that seldom, if ever, get the cover. I can also think of spectacular two-scene career girls like Peaches who did get the cover (Breakin' 'em In #2 ) on their very first shoot! As spectacular as many of us think Peaches was, two scenes does not qualify you as a "star." In general, I think anyone who has five or more scenes to their credit can be referred to as a "pornstar." That said, all pornstars are not "stars." [Link]
Zartyr Member 700 Posts 7/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 1:33PM BigBobxxx wrote: So you're saying, for example, that Lanny Barbie's spectacular covers for 3rd Degree (and others) over the past year "don't count"? Click to expand Yes. I just think that being the "cover girl" for certain limited studios is just a ridiculous standard. Click to expand And I think it is ridiculous that appearing on covers of products which are known to a fringe group only qualifies for being a pornstar. Edited by - Zartyr on 10/2/2005 1:37:50 PM [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 2:24PM juha wrote: First reaction, frankly: DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER THREAD ON DEFINITIONS OF PORN STAR? Second reaction: Juha, behave, give a nice answer. In my opinion a "porn star" is somebody who moves product by his name. I know many people consider "porn star" as a general term for anybody who has ever appeared in porn. Click to expand hey, no one asked you to chime in on my thread......so butt out [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 2:24PM i love that watch lee o! and isnt deauxma great? so hot, i love her boobs..... [Link]
STEMCELL Senior Member Russia+China are Terror states 1540 Posts 8/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 2:40PM Pornographic actor From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Redirected from Pornstar) A pornographic actor or a porn star is somebody who appears in pornographic movies, live sex shows or peep shows. Many actors/actresses may appear nude in films (usually rather briefly) or on stage but even if they depict sexual behavior they are not considered erotic actors. To be considered a porn star, one must appear chiefly in porn movies and be filmed in explicit sexual acts, usually with close-up shots of the genitalia during sexual acts and where explicit nudity is involved. Most porn stars use stage names. History The first porn star with name recognition was Linda Lovelace who starred in the 1972 feature, Deep Throat. The success of this movie, which grossed hundreds of millions of dollars worldwide, spawned a slew of other films and pornographic film stars such as Marilyn Chambers (Behind the Green Door), Gloria Leonard (The Opening of Misty Beethoven), Georgina Spelvin (The Devil in Miss Jones), Jeremy Cohen ("the Speed Demon Of Porn"), and Bambi Woods (Debbie Does Dallas). This was followed by what is called The Golden Age of Porn in the early and mid-eighties. Such legendary performers as John Holmes, Seka, Ginger Lynn Allen, Annette Haven, Veronica Hart, and Hyapatia Lee became well known in this era. Jenna Jameson and Silvia Saint are among the most well known porn stars of the late nineties and the early 2000s Attempts in the 1970s to outlaw pornography in the United States by prosecuting porn stars for prostitution failed, as the courts made a distinction between someone who took part in a sexual relationship for money, and the act of portraying a sexual relationship as a performance for money. The ability for people to view adult movies in the privacy of their own homes, due to the popularity of the VCR (and now DVD) created a new adult market that could not be ignored. The production values of adult films declined dramatically in the attempt to create product for ever increasing demand. As a result of this, there are hundreds of adult film companies today, releasing tens of thousands of shot-on-video titles annually. As a result, there are thousands of people working as pornographic actors to meet the demand for these films. Since the main market is for pornography aimed at a heterosexual male audience, the primary demand is for good-looking female performers. Female performers in pornography aimed at the heterosexual male audience are generally expected to perform with both male and female partners. Male performers are generally selected less for their looks as for their ability to get and maintain an erection ("get wood") for a long period on a crowded movie set, as well as the ability to ejaculate at will. Ron Jeremy is probably the most famous male performer in heterosexual pornography. A number of male performers perform in both heterosexual and gay male pornography. Male performers are, in general, paid substantially less than female performers. As the popularity of titles increases (profits are in the billions of dollars a year in the United States as of 2005), numerous niche and fetish markets have arisen in recent years. The vast number of titles has created the urgency for companies for stand out, and recent years have seen increasing numbers of risque and shocking video components, often involving pain (forced oral sex or "gagging" videos), simulated or actual rape or the consentual physical assault of actresses during filming. Click to expand [Link]
AztecGold11 Member 514 Posts 8/05	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 3:38PM WOW !! What great info. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 4:48PM christianx wrote: juha wrote: First reaction, frankly: DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER THREAD ON DEFINITIONS OF PORN STAR? Second reaction: Juha, behave, give a nice answer. In my opinion a "porn star" is somebody who moves product by his name. I know many people consider "porn star" as a general term for anybody who has ever appeared in porn. Click to expand hey, no one asked you to chime in on my thread......so butt out Click to expand Christian, what's wrong? I answered your question. Peter North and Lexington Steele for example are stars, because people buy their releases no matter what's the contents. People buy because its Peter or Lex, hence they are stars. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 4:55PM Isabel_Ice wrote: Zoid wrote: the rest are porn whores. Click to expand That's us... and we LOVE it! Click to expand ISABEL, YOU'RE A FUCKING STAR. That's for sure. Right now you're the hottest thing coming out of Wales. No, Alicia please forgive me, Isabel you're the hottest thing coming out of the whole United Kingdom. [Link]
canadianjersey Member Vancouver, BC, CANADA! 991 Posts 2/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 7:21PM Pornstar ? I thought they were called Adult Performers.... sorta like how strippers like being called Exotic dancers... [Link]

BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 8:50PM Zartyr wrote: BigBobxxx wrote: So you're saying, for example, that Lanny Barbie's spectacular covers for 3rd Degree (and others) over the past year "don't count"? Click to expand Yes. I just think that being the "cover girl" for certain limited studios is just a ridiculous standard. Click to expand And I think it is ridiculous that appearing on covers of products which are known to a fringe group only qualifies for being a pornstar. Click to expand So now you're saying that 3rd Degree products "are known to a fringe group only"? Are we on the same planet? [Link]
Zartyr Member 700 Posts 7/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 10:07PM BigBobxxx wrote: So now you're saying that 3rd Degree products "are known to a fringe group only"? Are we on the same planet? Click to expand If you think getting a cover on the production of some obscure companies (1000 or 2000 copies?) with a shelf time of around 3 month can even remotely be compared with productions which (in its soft versions) make it into free TV and stay on the shelf for years, you live indeed on another planet. [Link]
croy Platinum Member Discovry 4574 Posts 3/04	Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 10:45PM Interesting. I remember reading some years ago that Jessie James, who had done a buch of amateur, some Seymore Butts , and a few 'pro' movies, getting a bunch of shit from other 'stars' because at a convention she billed herself as a 'porn star'. For me it is a generic term for men or women who have done hard core porn for commercial distribution, g/g included. Number of scenes does not matter. 'Star' can also mean for some a person who has larger popularity and recognition with the buying public, but I exclude that in this context. Many who watch porn don't know one screen name from another, except whomever idiot radio personality tells them is good. [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 12:51AM Zartyr wrote: BigBobxxx wrote: So now you're saying that 3rd Degree products "are known to a fringe group only"? Are we on the same planet? Click to expand If you think getting a cover on the production of some obscure companies (1000 or 2000 copies?) with a shelf time of around 3 month can even remotely be compared with productions which (in its soft versions) make it into free TV and stay on the shelf for years, you live indeed on another planet. Click to expand On my planet, or at least in the United States, porn "in its soft versions" does NOT appear on "free TV" -- no matter which company produced it. Paid cable, yes. Paid hotel pay-per-view, yes. Free TV, no way. On my planet, "1000 or 2000 copies" is the typical sell through quantity for virtually all titles made by virtually all companies. I believe Dave Cummings has explained to us that he has to calculate budgets based on about 1500 units being sold. But, I'm sure you'd consider Dave, his studio and his many websites to be "obscure" known only to a "fringe group." If so, please let Attorney General Gonzalez know that Dave is but a bit player and that he shouldn't bother him with regards to the 2257 mess [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 5:55AM BigBobxxx wrote: On my planet, "1000 or 2000 copies" is the typical sell through quantity for virtually all titles made by virtually all companies. Click to expand The average Club Jenna DVD sells 30000 copies. The Club Jenna DVDs with Jenna as the lead sell 50000 copies. [Link]
SaraJayFan Member Underneath Sara Jay 200 Posts 4/04	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 8:03AM I think you guys have missed something here. Seems like everyone thinks being a porn "star" has to do with box covers and quantity of flicks sold. What about quality of the performance? What about her personality {i.e. relationship with fans.} Stars of the caliber of Jenna Jameson, Christy Canyon, and Belladonna are star because they're unique, gorgeous, and have produced consistent top-quality performances. I'll shut up and climb down from the pulpit now. {You ask the same question of Hollyood too. Then again, they're just "acting" as opposed to porn stars who are performing.} "Real women have curves." [Link]
BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 9:26AM juha wrote: BigBobxxx wrote: On my planet, "1000 or 2000 copies" is the typical sell through quantity for virtually all titles made by virtually all companies. Click to expand The average Club Jenna DVD sells 30000 copies. The Club Jenna DVDs with Jenna as the lead sell 50000 copies. Click to expand Please note my use of the words "typical" and "virtually." I hope we can all agree that Jenna Jameson is a huge exception to what is typical in the world of porn. Jenna has become an industry and a brand-name unto herself. She's the "go to" name and reference for all those outside the industry as well. SaraJayFan wrote: I think you guys have missed something here. Seems like everyone thinks being a porn "star" has to do with box covers and quantity of flicks sold. Click to expand I don't believe this at all. My first post in this topic, in fact, was to take issue with box covers as a stansard {excerpt): I just think that being the "cover girl" for certain limited studios is just a ridiculous standard. I can accept the idea that, IF you are a cover girl for a major studio, you are virtually, by definition, a "star." However, there are many stars that seldom, if ever, get the cover. I can also think of spectacular two-scene career girls like Peaches who did get the cover (Breakin' 'em In #2 ) on their very first shoot! As spectacular as many of us think Peaches was, two scenes does not qualify you as a "star." In general, I think anyone who has five or more scenes to their credit can be referred to as a "pornstar." That said, all pornstars are not "stars." [Link]
Zartyr Member 700 Posts 7/04	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 10:18AM BigBobxxx wrote: juha wrote: BigBobxxx wrote: On my planet, "1000 or 2000 copies" is the typical sell through quantity for virtually all titles made by virtually all companies. Click to expand The average Club Jenna DVD sells 30000 copies. The Club Jenna DVDs with Jenna as the lead sell 50000 copies. Click to expand Please note my use of the words "typical" and "virtually." I hope we can all agree that Jenna Jameson is a huge exception to what is typical in the world of porn. Jenna has become an industry and a brand-name unto herself. She's the "go to" name and reference for all those outside the industry as well. Click to expand Stars are not the typical bunch, and stars have a recognition value that goes beyond the hardcore fringe group of dedicated followers of the genre/discipline. The numbers given by juha should make your point moot also. If you think selling 1000 tickets for softball game is big a success you may be right. Nevertheless even the substitute player in a NFL match with 30 000 tickets sold is more star-like than the best softballer. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 12:18PM BigBobxxx wrote: juha wrote: BigBobxxx wrote: On my planet, "1000 or 2000 copies" is the typical sell through quantity for virtually all titles made by virtually all companies. Click to expand The average Club Jenna DVD sells 30000 copies. The Club Jenna DVDs with Jenna as the lead sell 50000 copies. Click to expand Please note my use of the words "typical" and "virtually." I hope we can all agree that Jenna Jameson is a huge exception to what is typical in the world of porn. Jenna has become an industry and a brand-name unto herself. She's the "go to" name and reference for all those outside the industry as well. Click to expand Being UNTYPICALLY successful constitutes a star. At least outside of porn valley. But if it makes you happy, I'm willing to tell you: BABY, YOU'RE A STAR. [Link]
tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 12:37PM I remember when girls who had a lot of potential but weren't widely known outside of the industry yet were called starlets. A starlet was a good thing. You were fresh, and had the potential to be a star if you did more movies with the same caliber performances that you had done. Star was reserved for not just contract girls, but also girls who were considered A-list performers. IMO, it seemed that the girls who were called stars were the ones who would be recognized by an average porn fan at a convention. Gradually, it got to where if a girl did one movie, TV shows like Jerry Springer, radio like Howard Stern, and the feature dance circuit would call her a porn star. It went from seeming elite to seeming sleazy and ordinary. [Link]

austynmoore Member 24 Posts 2/05	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 5:06PM christianx wrote: my question of the day for you guys is what constitutes a porn star? would you consider someone who only does girls a porn star? like tanya danielle? would you consider someone who has only done 2 movies a porn star? like austyn moore? whats the criteria? is there criteria? react to me porn fans!!!! Click to expand My definition of a porn star is someone who has sex on film and then that product is sold. If you can purchase a movie of someone in an adult movie store, then yes they are a porn star. When Janine only shot girl/girl there was no arguement she was a porn star and a succesful one at that. Some girls shoot 50-60 videos in 10 years, while others shoot 300 in half that time. Both ways work and you can be succesful either way. Also since signing with Adam&Eve in March 05' I have shot 7 of my 8 movies I signed a contract for, its just they take a while to get out! Trust me if it was my choice all 8 would be done and out!!!!! AustynMoore.net [Link]
AC Cream Deactivated User 1066 Posts 5/04	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 5:20PM austynmoore wrote: christianx wrote: my question of the day for you guys is what constitutes a porn star? would you consider someone who only does girls a porn star? like tanya danielle? would you consider someone who has only done 2 movies a porn star? like austyn moore? whats the criteria? is there criteria? react to me porn fans!!!! Click to expand My definition of a porn star is someone who has sex on film and then that product is sold. If you can purchase a movie of someone in an adult movie store, then yes they are a porn star. When Janine only shot girl/girl there was no arguement she was a porn star and a succesful one at that. Some girls shoot 50-60 videos in 10 years, while others shoot 300 in half that time. Both ways work and you can be succesful either way. Also since signing with Adam&Eve in March 05' I have shot 7 of my 8 movies I signed a contract for, its just they take a while to get out! Trust me if it was my choice all 8 would be done and out!!!!! AustynMoore.net Click to expand Austyn RULEZ! She is sweet, beautiful, intelligent, and feisty. Makes me want to just hug her. Wait, I've done that. Makes me want to just hug her again! AC Cream [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 9:50PM austyn, my sincere apologies, i wasnt insinuating anything negative, i only wanted an opinion. we have met at PSK and you are a very nice girl. seriously, hopefully i didnt offend. I am from Texas and the University of Austyn is the greatest porn title ever! thanks for all the responses and i will now attempt to pull my foot out of my mouth. nice. [Link]
austynmoore Member 24 Posts 2/05	Posted - Oct 4 2005 : 2:11PM christianx wrote: austyn, my sincere apologies, i wasnt insinuating anything negative, i only wanted an opinion. we have met at PSK and you are a very nice girl. seriously, hopefully i didnt offend. I am from Texas and the University of Austyn is the greatest porn title ever! thanks for all the responses and i will now attempt to pull my foot out of my mouth. nice. Click to expand You didn't offend me at all. I was just giving my opinion on your question and then clarifying my movie count. How bout' I buy you a drink at the next PSK and you buy me a beer, then its all good!:) Luv ya----Austyn AustynMoore.net [Link]
christianx Senior Member 1883 Posts 9/04	Posted - Oct 5 2005 : 12:25AM done! [Link]
jamesn Senior Member Cambridge, MA 750 Posts 1/04	Posted - Oct 5 2005 : 12:28AM hello, my mother constitutes a porn star. does your mother constitute a porn star? if she does, do you feel like a very lucky boy? [Link]
imak Adult Film Legend 3345 Posts 2/04	Posted - Oct 5 2005 : 12:39AM no because she sets limitations on anal with my dad but makes exceptions and does anal with other porn stars [Link]
Redish Poetic Moderator Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine 4076 Posts 12/03	Posted - Oct 5 2005 : 1:27AM Kami = supernova w00t [Link]
I love Bandit Deactivated User 12 Posts 9/05	Posted - Oct 6 2005 : 7:57PM if Bandit put out a dvd he'd outsell all the pornstars in the world! yes, Bandit is that great. Edited by - I love Bandit on 10/6/2005 7:59:23 PM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Oct 6 2005 : 8:49PM It's almost generic, like Tricia said. But to really qualify, I think you would have to make enough impact to have some fan buzz, collect a few box covers, and stick around from one AVN convention to the next. It's also attitude ... [Link]

Lost Horizon Deactivated User 675 Posts 6/05	Posted - Oct 6 2005 : 9:09PM jamesn wrote: hello, my mother constitutes a porn star. does your mother constitute a porn star? if she does, do you feel like a very lucky boy? Click to expand Good to see jamesn has finally decided to stop hiding behind all those pseudonymns and admit his little obsession. "The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne" [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - Oct 6 2005 : 10:29PM skronker wrote: and stick around from one AVN convention to the next. Click to expand 12 months in biz before qualifying for stardom? That's really hard. [Link]
Twizted6 Senior Member Good & Evil is merely a matter of perspective, I perfer to call myself... Determined 1229 Posts 7/05	Posted - Oct 6 2005 : 10:55PM The "Star" part is loosly thrown around, but I think any girl who has been in a movie that was sold for a profit can call herself a Pornstar! [Link]

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