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USA
France
Italy
Germany
Spain (Private is headquatered in Barcelona)
Japan
Hong Kong
Brazil (moved up from list below after Gabriel Nine's post -- haven't seen it imported to US though)

2. Countries which clearly ALLOW lots of porn to be filmed within their borders and sold there include, in addition to the above :

All of the European Union (Britain used to allow only softcore, but that now seems to be relaxed, perhaps?)
The whole former Eastern Block in Europe (Budapest & Prague being the happy hunting ground for plentiful beautiful wannabe porn starlets)
Canada
Probably all of Latin America (though I'm not sure, maybe not)
Australia
New Zealand (I'd guess)
Philippines
Islands states of the Pacific

3. Countries I'm not sure about:

Mainland China
Taiwan
India
Sub-Saharan (black) African countries

4. Counries which clearly DON'T allow EITHER production, or filming of porn include:

All Moslem theocratic states or with predominantly Moslem populations, from Morocco to Indonesia.

India I'm now a bit curious about, since you brought this up. Because they have a huge domestic film industry -- consisting mostly of a unique Indian musical style. But I've never heard of any porn from there.

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There is a lot of porn made in the UK, mainly by guys labouring under pun-based sub-Ben Dover monickers. Some of the stuff done for UK based softcore cable/satellite channels is available in harder versions abroad. A lot of US and foreign guys have shot in the UK too.

Sweden, the Netherlands and Denmark were often seen as traditional homes of porn, and indeed played crucial roles in the legalisation and commercialisation of the industry. They have since been left behind somewhat, Sweden's Private, as have been noted moved to Spain, and Color Climax, the traditional Danish smut pedlars, are in some kind of financial difficulty.

I seem to have seen on my internet travels some Indian videos, from German labels. I don't know if there is actually an Indian porn biz as such.

Brazil seems to make a lot of smut for a domestic market that does seem to demand more unusual material!

As to whether porn is made in strict Islamic states, I do recall a recent and horrifying incident where a woman was stoned to death in either Iran or Iraq (yes, I know, two very different countries but it's my fault, I just can't quite remember) for making an adult movie. I'll look this one up, but please feel free to add/correct me on it.

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Here's a link to the story:Stoned to death for porno movie

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The rumors usually talked about South America as being where it was made.

What you know about this Unfrozen Caveman Porner?

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And yes, you can produce and distribute porn movies freely in Brazil.

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>>Snuff movies are NOT an urban legend<<

Well, do you have any particulars on that?

How do you know?

Also, yeah I KNOW one can make and film porn in Brazil. Duh. At least 3-4 Buttman titles take place there. I was wondering about say Chile, Perus, Venezuela, Argentina, Columbia, Mexico, etc. Well, there seem to be some US shoots in Mexican resorts.

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For another, like dexplorer, I would be interested to hear some real evidence of the existence of snuff movies. have you seen one? Do you know if anyone has ever been arrested, charged, prosecuted for making one? As things stand, they are very much an urban myth because no-one seems to be able to back up this allegation with real evidence. Maybe we should be glad that they can't.

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Well in that case I hope they get genuine full term life in prison.

Maybe same thing for simulated murder -- accompanied by hardcore sex, or if it came just before, etc. In fact I'm just about sure that simulated snuf would land someone in court in LA, or anywhere in the US today.

Seeing as how Seymore Butts is currently in litigation from the LA DA over his putting fully visible fisting in an American made recent porno "Tampa Tushy", these LA district attorney warnings are not paper threats.

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There are only TWO movies spoken entirely in Esperanto. That doesn't mean that there are NO movies in Esperanto. Same logic go to snuff tapes. They're surprisingly (and thankfully) few, but they DO exist.

Thing is: there is NO such thing as a "snuff mafia" that makes those kinda movies and sell it undergroundly.

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I'm with Gabriel Nine. Until I see proven instances of it, I don't believe that Snuff movies exist. Or anyway, consider it an open question as to whether they do.

One of the reasons I say that is that so many people and groups have had various reaons for WANTING to believe they exist. Anti porn feminists and religicos who claim that that is where it is all inevitably heading, for example, if we allow any porn at all. All sorts of people who deplore it, but still have a lurid fascination with the idea that something that evil and related at least somewhat to what they (perhaps guiltily) enjoy, that is hardcore porn. And so on.

In other words there are ALL SORTS of reasons and motivations which people have to believe this stuff, without much evidence. ANd often when someone claims to know about it's existence, they can't point to any hard evidence. As it appears you can't.

If you can, PLEASE do!!

(I certainly think it's possible it exists. I just don't know that it does.)

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There is some evidence that certain killers have filmed their exploits, but that would have been for their own enjoyment, not for anyone else's entertainment. As for 100% genuine snuff, as in taylor-made for a certain type of very sick audience ... YES, in this case, it was never heard of an authenticated case.

But there ARE murders caught on tape.

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Please note that I'm not referring to the "russian snuff kid porn mob" Luke Ford told us about last year. (Yeah, as if Luke's reliable...}

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So so far, the answer is NO . There isn't any hard evidence of any genuine snuff film having ever been made and distributed underground.

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What I always find strange is that no-one can put names to these videos. In the article quoted, Ted McIlvenny who is supposed to be an expert makes what sound like unsubstantiated claims to me - that "wild horses" number is like the sort of totally made-up scare stories that anti-porn feminists have used for a long time. If these videos do exist, I have yet to hear of anyone else seeing them. And as for a man strangling himself during an auto-erotic asphixiation, do me a favour! Sure that is possible (and more common than you might think), but who was handling the camera? Did the camera man just watch him do it? Or did he have it on a tripod? Or was someone callous enough to find him dead and then make his home video available??? Come on!
Then there is the question that how do you know these are for real? Presumably they are amateurish or semi-pro quality at best, so then it's hard to tell what is for real and what is not. A guy "dies" in an SM beating - then gets up when the camera is turned off...see what I mean? How do you really know?

That is not to say that I am entirely disbelieiving - given the cheapness of life in some parts of the world it would not be surprising at all to find people had made sex videos with real death. However, I would say that I remain to be convinced.

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Speaking of pornos made in Brazil, and understanding your statement that "90% of Brazilian pornos suck" -- how about the other 10%?

Or more specificially, if you were going to recommend a single Brazilian porno DVD, what would it be? Something that has an especially Brazilian flavor. And something where the fact that we can't understand a word (it being in Portugese) isn't going to matter too much.

I don't know that I'm gonna rush to the net and try to order it immediately, but it would be good to know about.

Or if there are any especially hot Brazilian porno babes to look out for.

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Another question about the Brazilian porn world for you. (And who better to ask, you being an editor of a Brazilian porn mag!)

Are porn actresses (and actors) "ghettoized" in Brazil the way they are in America, and so far as I can tell, more or less are (but not quite so much) in Europe?

By that I mean, is there the same sort of big wall to hurdle to make a transition from porn acting to mainstream acting in film or TV? Well, actually that's starting to change a bit in the US, what with some porn actresses appearing as E! network interviewers or personalities I hear, but it still seems to be mostly there.

Yeah, there's the Traci Lords saga. But part of what she seems to have had to do -- or did anyway -- was to market herself as an underaged porn victim. (Who therefore couldn't be "blamed".

Of course a good part of what the "hurdle" is really all about in the US is simply that most porn actress can't act. But I don't think that's all of it, or applies in every case. (Tricia Devereaux seemed like she could act to me. For example, her dialogue with Chloe in the early parts of Gangbang Girls 17 (Hot Disk!!!) is quite natural and good -- and it's Tricia who's carrying it.)

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Well, there's one volume of the brazilian Scorpion series, produced by the brazilian Elegant Angel, that's actually pretty good. But avoid the ones directed by Marcelo Storelli as if they were the prague.

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Talk about an OPEN FIELD!!!

And the Portugese language thing creates automatic barriers to foreign products. (Or so I would think.) Sure some of the Euros have a Portugese soundtrack or subtitles, but not that many.

If only I was better at picking up foreign languages quick!!
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Why on earth doesn't a genuine Brazilian Buttman or Seymore Butts or someone arise? Surely there is a market for some better domestic product in Brazil, isn't there? Big country, big population, wierd (almost unique that is) language.

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OR you can just want to make a quick buck and become "just one more" among the legion.

Cuz they don't know SHIT about the basics of filmmaking, they don't know how to direct, how to block a scene, where to point a camera, how to light a set, how to mantain focus and, more important, how to EDIT it all together. The EDITING is the part that breaks EVERY FUCKING BRAZILIAN PORN MOVIE, cause those suckers don't want to spend more than 10 hours in front of an editing bay.

Only movie I did that I'm proud of took 68 hours of editing. And it was a fucking rushed job.

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"scort" is "escort" mispelled. You don't have the slightest idea about how we brazilians love to mangle the English language.

In the seventies, a lot of stores added a "'s" in their names, to make 'em sound "american".

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I've been wondering whether you are native Brazilian born. Do you have an English speaking parent or two?

Sorry about the popozuda. <g> I had a feeling I didn't get it quite right. Was too lazy to look it up via the Buttman title. I guess I'll remember it now. Love the term!

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And well, english isn't THAT complicated to learn. In fact, it's a very practical language. Even the slangs make perfect sense. No wonder it's so popular worldwide.

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Thank's to Michael and Roberta Findlay's, uh, "classic" (that I have on tape), "snuff" became sinonymn with the kind of movie where a girl is raped and killed on-camera.

But no. The definition is even broader.

"Snuff" is ANY kind of movie that shows a real murder captured on camera.

By this definition, the Zapruder tape is a bonafine snuff.

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