I feel I need to defend myself here. Renee points out that I and Pontus Maximus gave miniature reviews of the two scenes he and I both saw Teagan in from Red Light District.In my review, I stated that she had trouble during the anal portion of the sex with Erik Everhard. I then went on to give one of the scenes a 10 point rating out of 10 and called it the best scene I have watched recently. I still feel this is true and here's why.
Every part of the scene where she was not in discomfort was extremely hot and very erotic to me. The parts where she was in pain were not and I repeat, NOT arousing to me at all. In fact, I myself was a bit, I say a bit, surprised some of it wasn't edited out. Teagan did not seem to be in discomfort and pain through the entire length of the anal sex portion though. In fact, as I noted in my review, there were times she seemed to genuinely enjoy the sex. In my opinion of course and I could very well be wrong. I also called her a total trooper for enduring the painful parts of the anal. I must distress that in no way did I mean that comment as a "grin and bear it, bitch!" type of comment at all. I hope that if she, or any other actress in adult are uncomfortable in a scene that they don't do it "just for the fans" or to save thier reputations or for the money.
I still stand by both reviews that I gave. Teagans discomfort in both scenes and all. I would not have rated them highly had I felt she were not in to them or had she been in a very high level of discomfort. I will freely admit that I wish to see her continue to perform anal sex and of her upcoming releases, the ones that ocntain anal sex will be the ones I buy with greater priority. This however is just my wish and I truly feel and hope that if Teagan, or any other startlet were uncomfortable performing anal sex would stop doing the act. I do not want to see a girl hurt and I can easily live with vaginal only sex.
Hopefully, I've made myself more clear on this issue.
Something else I need to add. In my review of Cum Drippers 6, I said the only thing close to being a complaint I have is that I wish the anal would have been more intense. This does not mean that I wanted Erik Everhard to pound the living Hell out of Teagan as she cried out in pain. What I would have liked to have seen was Erik Everhard putting forth his usual awesome performance and Teagan loving every second of it. What was had was Erik Everhard putting forth a great performance that could be considered more subdued for him and Teagan enjoying parts of it, yet still having pain and discomfort in others As I said perhaps it was because she was still inexperienced as far as anal sex goes that she had the discomfort she had. Perhaps now and in future releases she'll be able ot take "The Hateplow" from erik. In any event, if I misled anyone in to thinking that I enjoyed watching her suffer or wanted to see her in more pain I must apologize because that is certainly not the case.
Sorry for the confusion, Nick
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Posted - Mar 25 2004 : 6:21AM
Seems it gives you a hard-on only if during a dvd-scene you can think the girl that played that on a porn-set was in pain doing that. And if she says, <no I wasn`t> <No, I even enjoyed some of it>, in your book of course she has to be leing. Because only if she actually felt pain than, you can get off now.
Is this where victorian American society has pushed porn fans? Or are you just doing your best to be paternalistic? To safe this girls from evil (because you know better than them)?
Why is it so difficult to accept the entertainment career choice of people? - even girls? I think you (and many others discussing here) are afraid of strong women deceiding for themselfs what they want to do!
Shameless, I think you're missing Plaid_Retina's point a little. It's like most of porn - works better if they act like they enjoy it, the fantasy fails if performers allow the illusion to get transparent.
Wow, I sure miss a lot of discussion by going to sleep at night.
I have to acknowledge, at least Evil Batman and Pontus Maximus did say in their mini-reviews that they could see that the anal sex wasn't easy for Teagan to do. But, how about the real reviews that are out there, that porn fans read before they think about renting/buying a title? These reviews get read a lot more than anything posted on this message board. Even ADT estimates that each review will get read about 1000 times, and for something that is one of the first releases with Teagan, I bet those reviews will get a even bigger look-see.
There are already 2 reviews of Cum Drippers 6 here on ADT, and one over on rogreviews.com. None of these reviews mentions anything about Teagan having difficulty with the anal sex. In fact, they all write about it like she's a seasoned anal queen, like you are going to be watching Katya Kassin or Sandra Romain or Vicky Vette, women who I've seen can handle anal sex well, without the least discomfort.
This is one of my biggest beefs with some reviewers, that they leave this information out. I honestly don't know if the reviewers don't see the discomfort, or they do see it but feel uncomfortable reporting it because they don't want to piss off a studio. Maybe they do see it and just don't give a damn. Well, only they can answer, because I'm just speculating about what's going through their minds.
I'd sure like to hear from some of the directors who post on ADT, to find out what they feel about this subject.
Man, threads like this depress me. They really really do.
There's nothing to be done about it I guess. It's not the acts that I object to, it's the attitude of entitlement and simple lack of compassion that some of the "fans" possess. It seems like more and more lately, battle is waged on porn sites like this, and the discouraged, silenced majority who actually seem to still have some humanity left are being driven out, day by day from porn, while the "I want what I want / to each his own" crowd reigns supreme--and shameless is their leader.
The worst part of it all is that when anyone on this site expresses concern for the girls, in terms of the fact that they are driven to the acts, rather than that acts being driven by them, and that perhaps this isn't such a good thing, we're simply dismissed as bleeding heart, morality slaves as if we're porn's freakin' worst enemy.
I'm not trying to make my post into a personal "I like this" kinda thing, but I just can't help it! The shamelesses of the world upset me, not because they like DAP, or even because DAP is out there because of them, but because every time someone expresses concern about the pressures and risks that women face in the porn industry, they're so quickly denegrated as a "Victorian Americans" with "paternalistic" instincts. I'm tired of it. It's completely backwards and frankly, totally fucked up.
Maybe I should go off with Cobalt--take a break. There's more to life than listening to all this noise.
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Posted - Mar 25 2004 : 10:11AM
I´ve never seen Teagan, Renee. So I dont want to comment on that. BUT I just want to point out, that what you just above wrote will not please a lot of those looking for pain with anal sex always, here.
<Women neither feeling pain nor disconfort doing their porn work - not possible!>, they will say. Me, I liked you always as the independant thinker you are, Renee.
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Posted - Mar 25 2004 : 10:35AM
MLyons, my Dear, there are risks and we should clearly speak about them. But this tread started with somebody insinuating that those porn girls have to be on drugs to be able to endure all what is done to them on set. And suddenly - as always - all voices of insiders who actually do enjoy themselfs dismissed, we start to discuss about pain only. As if doing porn would equal pain, like rain goes only with water.
I think a girl doing something on set that is painful for her and not enjoying that is exployting her body. If training her body does not help, She should leave the business. DAP is not for every girl. Anal is not for every girl. There are careers byond gonzo porn. Asking for DAP and TAP, I dont want the girls to be bad to their own body, I simply direct my expectations towards one part of entertainment industry.
I dont want to depress you Mike, I want my DAPs and those girls to enjoy themselfs doing it. I want every gonzo-girl to be a second Sandra Romain. Not to play one, to be one - and get endless orgasms...
Porn is a beautiful thing, it´s a business also, but nothing you need to associate with shame, pain and repression.
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Posted - Mar 25 2004 : 11:11AM
Again with the "you don't do it leave"?
Yes, I know I'm just keying in on part of your post but this repetitive rant is getting old.
See.... this is the problem. The first part I whole-heartedly agree with! However, the only shame I feel does not come in watching porn, or enjoying what I enjoy, which let me tell you, depending on my mood is all manner of things including anal, and swallowing and lots of other things that many people consider too over the top. I think the girls are amazing, and I can enjoy whatever they choose to offer me. My only shame comes from seeing the kind of crass and uncompromising behavior I see exhibited by a very vocal minority of porn fans.
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Posted - Mar 25 2004 : 12:10PM
All I say is, leave, if you feel pain and dont enjoy it. Gonzo is not the centre of the world. It´s not the centre of porn, too. I dont say leave porn, I say leave gonzo.
I hope this explanation is not repetitive. I hope gonzo will become an island of girls going extreeme and enjoying it.
Renee , 'accidental pain' during anal intercourse can happen even to the most experienced performers on a set, hell it evens happens at home together with your partner, but if something on a set goes wrong, either one of the performers feeling uncomfortable or the director can stop the scene at any time.
I know nothing about this 'Cum Drippers 6' movie. but if REAL pain was involved it's certainly a shame. for the director that let go, for the cutter and for the publisher to spread and sell such shit to the public. The big question however is why did neither the male nor the female talent stop the scene.
Let's assume this scene is really bad and noway acceptable. You want to change something? You could take the film out of the ADT search engine. Until either 'Teagan' herself or one of the directors helps to clear the situation up. Is this likely to happen, answer for yourself.
Shameless , i think you know very well that it is absolutely not possible for every girl in the biz to do DAP's. "I dont say leave porn, I say leave gonzo." so no DAP means no future in gonzo porn? Luckily it's not like that. and do you really think DAP's are the way to give a woman endless orgasms...? You certainly don't, so why the heck do you always try to butter up your totally selfish desires?
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Posted - Mar 25 2004 : 2:15PM
X-RAY would you care to be so fair and cite me correctly?: I said, if you feel pain and dont enjoy what you do on set you better leave. And I made clear that I was not talking about all porn biz, just gonzo. Because other depts, like Vivid and heir clients for example, are happy without anal.
DAP is as much not the way to give women multiple orgasms as anal is some kind of torture (like some posters claimed here). We really should not make all those generalisations! I know that not all girls are able to do DAP, I know it too good... Still, idealistic as I am, I do dream of Hundreds of Sandra Romains to be recruited for gonzo porn: Girls who enjoy what they do and do DAP, too.
Besides, I am really thankful you adressed that pain issue from a realistic point of view, not a paternalistic one.
My head is spinning from the whirlwind of discussion here.
X-ray, I'm aware that a brief amount of accidental pain can happen with anal sex, and I've seen a few of these in porn scenes, usually when it first starts, but after 20-30 seconds or so, you can see that the actress relaxes and everything is fine.
In my reviews, when I say I'm seeing pain or discomfort, it's for a good minute or so, or she's wincing in noticeable pain, and it doesn't get better for her as the scene progresses. In one scene, the wincing was so bad, that even the actor couldn't ignore it. But then, he had the nerve to say to the actress, "It doesn't hurt." Well, that's right, it doesn't hurt HIM, the big famous male actor/director. Hey, he got the footage he wanted, and it didn't hurt him in the wallet, either.
As for Cum Drippers 6, over on the Teagan thread today, she herself gave some information about what the scene was like for her (not so easy). The actor she was with posts here on ADT occasionally, and the director has only posted a few times. I doubt we will hear from the latter, even though he is well-established in the porn industry.
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Posted - Mar 25 2004 : 5:39PM
Well - I was going to direct this more to shameless- but now I don't need to. :)
Anyway, I was going to say that Evil Angel is well aware that we are not the most circus-act company of the gonzo companies. And in my opinion, thank god for that.
Yes, we have tons of anal scenes in our movies. We also have great non-anal scenes too. And although DAP is certainly interesting to see now and then, I for one hope it never becomes a determiner of whether or not a girl can cut it in the gonzo side of the business.
I just wish that here or elsewhere it would be possible to get opinions from a larger portion of porn customers. A page or two back, someone referred to the extreme gonzo fans here as "a vocal minority," which is exactly the point...it would be all too easy for a director to be recommended to this site and read pages-long threads and say, "Well, gosh, they all want a girl to have six meat-logs up her ass at once! Let's only hire chicks who will do that." Personally, I watch porn for a vicarious experience, and I like seeing the girl actually take pleasure from the act. While I understand that it's perhaps as feasible to get an actress who orgasms during every scene as it is to get an actress who does TAP's in every scene, I just want to post this to tender my opinion to all companies, actresses and directors who read these boards. There are few things in the world as truly beautiful as a pretty woman's face in honest pleasure.
Well, I've been thinking that not everything is always doom and gloom, that sometimes you do see the director and/or male actor behaving responsibly and doing the right thing.
In Michael Stefano's Ultimate Asses 2, in the middle scene with Steve Holmes and Sandy Styles, he showed some behind-the-scene footage where the two performers were taking a break from the anal that had been going on. Stefano asks the actress if her ass feels better now (apparently she had been in some discomfort, spoke up about it, and the scene was temporarily stopped). When the action starts up again, Holmes is moving extra slow as he does the actress in mish. anal. I was impressed with the director including this footage in the movie.
Another time that I can remember where something didn't occur because an actress was having difficulties, was in Holmes and Ferrara's Euro Girls Never Say NO 2. Both men explain in the BTS footage that the one actress, Niki Belucci, tried to do just regular vag sex with Manuel, but he was just too big for her, so they all decided that she wouldn't be doing it. And the two men show that they were ok with this, that this doesn't mean the end of the porn industry as we know it.
P.S. Has Shameless really been deactivated? Who will keep me entertained, albeit in a completely confusing way? We should hold a cyberspace eulogy service for him and his porn persona.
More posts from people like you will truly start to make a difference, I think. I for one think there's room in porn for all kinds of good stuff... beautiful and nasty, it's all good. And like you, I'm also particularly keen on seeing women feeling pleasure (or at least attempting to convince me that they are). I do agree with you, though, that your point of view is sadly underrepresented, at least in the gonzo fold.
Anyway, thanks for being here and plopping in your two cents!
what i really enjoy more about a skin flick are the girls, the way they look its number one, after that there are the skills, some can do this or do that, then there's the passion, the extra mile they put in their work, some of them honestly earn every pennie. e.g. kami my lovely, arianna jolle jewel bridgitte etc.
QUOTE: I must distress that in no way did I mean that comment as a "grin and bear it, bitch!" type of comment at all.
QUOTE: Perhaps now and in future releases she'll be able to take "The Hateplow" from Erik.
I agree with a lot of the ladies. The terminology used to market/review porn reveals the very fine line between a good hard fuck intense fucking that leaves both the woman and the man satisfied and exhausted... and the hormonal misogyny that is demanded by millions of porn consumers who - a) get off on seeing a woman "getting her ass destroyed" - pain is very strongly implied. it is sad but a lot of men harbour violent hatred/resentments towards women. b) have closeted homosexual feelings, hence all the unnecessary two-cocks-rubbing-together-in-a-tight-hole. c) both
No wonder most of the extreme female pornstars are lesbian in their private lives.
well you can count me as one guy who isn't all that stoked about seeing anal. i don't mind it if it's in a scene, but it's not mandatory or anything. in fact, all anal scenes bore me. i think the girls can be ravishing sex queens perfectly fine without having to cram their asses.
hell, look at August. she doesn't do anal and i don't believe i'm alone in thinking her smokin' hot. ditto Desert Rose, Ryan Star, Krystal Steal, and others.
