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hollywood woody
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Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin
1567 Posts
2/07
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 8:21PM
How can POV be made better?
What would you like to see in a POV?
bouges
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101 Posts
11/08
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 8:48PM
POV spying would be cool... guy sees hot girl, attempts to sneak up on her, fails miserably, girl is turned on by the attempted voyeur and POV sex ensues.
von_swine
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Dominance & Persecution.
919 Posts
1/04
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 9:01PM
p.o.v. would be better if we got rid of the 3rd person. if you cant hold the camera yourself, then it's not a true p.o.v. scene. lates, Von S.
backdoorman
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Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman !
2776 Posts
10/07
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 9:15PM
Lukewarm. Not that fond of it !
Macko69
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Gone for a walk.
1985 Posts
5/08
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 9:16PM
Can someone make a POV where the guy has a 4" dick and the woman seems bored or distracted? Then I would feel like it's really me participating in the action.
 
htb066
Member

69 Posts
11/08
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 10:17PM
I hate POV. I like to see a variety of camera angles during a scene. I don't need to see everything from the guy's perspective to be able to fantasize that it's me with the girl.
cand86
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164 Posts
8/08
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 10:57PM
+1. If it's pure POV, I don't want any mixing of camera shots to take me out of my frame of mind. It's kind of jarring, I guess you'd say.
I do think it'd be pretty fun to employ POV into a narrative style/feature film- maybe a semi-humorous set-up where a guy goes undercover with a hidden camera (maybe to get dating/sex help from someone on the other end) and we get to see the scene POV-style. Gonzo-style gets old fast.
There cannot be enough female POV stuff, too, in my opinion, whether it's straight or lesbian. It's just so rare.
I'm not much of a fan of POV for actual fucking, because things are invariably far too bouncy/shaky; I prefer it for blowjobs and handjobs. But I would like to see a little more creativity. I actually think it could be pretty awesome to give the GIRL a camera for a handjob- imagine a spunky chick turning the camera on him, on her own face, and the action . . . the right girl could make it work, I think.
skronker
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9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Feb 12 2009 : 11:14PM
Yeah, if the guy getting blown is not also holding the camera it's not a POV scene. It's just a scene. You need the weird drama/pressure/absurdity of the shooter trying to keep wood, not blow his load, juggle the camera, talk to the girl, not drop the camera, give some awkward yet brave effort at actually fucking the chick while not braining her with the camera while she's screaming "Oh, fuck me Daddy!" as shooter sweat drips all over her $200 make-up job. And, also, resisting the constant nagging urge to "quilt." It's an Olympic sport, which is what makes them fun to watch.
RandomPrecision
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Enjoy!
8175 Posts
3/06
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:10AM
I think I have something to say for this but I'll have to think about it. Will post more later.
The DMan
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1844 Posts
6/07
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:15AM
I love POV.
mrbluelouboyle All-Star Supporter
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mrbluelouboyle and Alexis Tae
1334 Posts
12/03
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:20AM
I don't care for much POV. It's usually not done well. Seymore Butts used to do it well, many years ago.
If there's a POV scene or two in a movie , I can deal with it. But if it's an all POV film , I wouldn't even bother watching.
I'd like to see more POV from the girls angle. For example, let the girl hold the cam while the guy is going down on her. Or get real whacky and let the guy and girl both have cameras, filming each other while fucking.
Edited by - mrbluelouboyle on 2/13/2009 12:22:02 AM
skronker
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Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:35AM
He maDE the whole movie a POV, and integrated the whole thing into something more like a story. Maybe it would shift out of POV into other stuff, but it all felt like an adventure, not a bunch of disconnected porn scenes (even if that's what it was). The early ones were fantastic. The definition of gonzo. I don't think he's done anything interesting since Alicia left his world. But give him credit, for sure.
wraithlead
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264 Posts
12/08
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:55AM
i would love to see a pov scene that has other stuff too...
for example. i'd love a pov blowjob that happens with a girl that's getting doggy from another guy...
von_swine
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Dominance & Persecution.
919 Posts
1/04
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 2:17AM
any p.o.v. shot by Dan Silver/aka Dirty Dan is right up your alley. only he's prolly packin 3" instead of 4". lates, Von S.
Bobcat
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1490 Posts
2/08
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 3:42AM
I love POV.
The important thing for me, is that the girl makes lots of eye contact into the camera, she also needs to have some convincing dirty talk at the same time. She needs to be a better actress for this type of porn! Newsensations new series, Schoolgirl POV has been very good.
Edited by - Bobcat on 2/13/2009 3:43:45 AM
 
Lange
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Make Gapes not War
230 Posts
3/04
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 7:34AM
I love POV blow jobs with lots of eye contact from the girl but most POV sex is boring or very badly shot. But there are exceptions like Eric Everhards Anal POV series - those movies are awesome. I totally agree that if they guy who fucks the girl is not holding the camera then it's not true POV porn.
Edited by - lange on 2/13/2009 7:36:05 AM
stewed06
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9 Posts
2/09
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 9:56AM
hate it actually... I like to see the action from different angles...
Dan
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Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 11:52AM
POV is good for making the viewer feel a part of the sex-action. But a lot of POV movies change the sex-action and make it less hot in the process of showing it to the viewer and making him feel a part of the action.
A lot of POV movies turn the sex action into a kind of artificial 'show and tell' kind of sex. They drop all pretense of passion and great pleasure. And they simply show the mechanical sex-action to the camera and to the viewer with some obscene remarks thrown in about it. Which does make the viewer feel included in the sex-action. But the camera's intrusion obviously distracts the actors and makes their sex-action less sincere, less genuine and less hot. Which is a bit of a turn-off.
A better way to do it would be for the camera-man to intrude into the sex-action, while the lady and the guy(s) mostly ignore him (or her) and go at each other as if they are full of passion, great desire, and great pleasure. And this way the viewer gets to feel a part of some really good sex-action, where the participants appear to be having real sex and not just doing it for show. Which is turn on for the viewer.
When the stud and the slut are so passionate for each other that the camera-man has to watch-out and scramble out of their way in order to avoid being accidentally smeared with the lube, or horror of horrors, come into contact with another man's cock. Then this POV sex-action does looks genuine, sincere, and hot to the viewer. (A good way to show this kind of POV passion would be to have two camera-men. So that when one of them scrambles out of the way, then the other will show this to the viewer.)
POV is good. But it's even better when the actors concentrate on performing their sex-action well without being distracted too much by the viewer's presence there. Some acknowledgement of the viewer's presence from the actors is good. As long as the lady and the guy don't let their sex-action suffer as a result of that.
Edited by - Dan on 2/13/2009 11:59:37 AM
BigBobxxx
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2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:18PM
POV is good as part of the arsenal of positions, angles and shots.
But, non-stop and by itself, it is usually poorly done and tedious.
When well-done, it can be exciting. But, I think the conceit gets old fast.
shank
Member

119 Posts
2/09
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:27PM
The concept behind the POV is good but the problem is that the views are limited to a few camera angles which quickly get boring. Also there are only a couple sexual positions which come out fairly well in POV mode. I'd rather watch the usual multi-view shots because they give a visual richness in detail.
xxaru
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128 Posts
6/07
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 12:54PM
There's only so much you can do with POV. You can change the scenarios and storylines to come up with new/original ideas in that respect. But from a cinematography standpoint, I think you just have to embrace POV for what it is and accept its limitations.
And I'm talking about "true" 1st person POV, not 3rd person.
Schmse
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2571 Posts
6/04
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 1:19PM
I really love POV scenes.
But I want to see more missionary with eye contact and reverse cowboy.
fatalbert
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Diagonally parked in a parallel universe
576 Posts
5/03
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 2:32PM
Yes, the concept can and should be the best.
Well, I find it tedious only when the camera holder loses perspective (back the damn focus up a bit, OK? I don't want to see only part of her face, or only her boobs, or only her ass).
My problem with it is that it is hardly ever "well done." The artistry is in using perspective and proper framing to convey to the viewer what it would look like to be having sex with her. Most of what I see would ber greatly improved were there a "zoom out" button on my remote.
And I'd like to bitch-slap the first guy who decided that it somehow "enhances" the view when the camera is rotated out of level. IMO, the ubiquity of this practice has helped to ruin all porn, not just POV.
Assanova
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balls deep
296 Posts
1/04
Posted - Feb 13 2009 : 7:03PM
POV scenes are my favorite. I don't want to take my eyes of the girl, so the less I see of the guy the better. It does have it's limitations though. The guy can't perform things like oral and one hand is basically tired behind his back. Still when it's done right, like Eric Everhard or Michael Stefano's stuff, it can be awesome.
spitty
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730 Posts
12/04
Posted - Feb 14 2009 : 12:13PM
I only enjoy POV when the female is solo.....if that makes any sense !!!
 
Ramsey
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Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - Feb 14 2009 : 12:20PM
I think it sucks. I want to see the total shot, not just a close a close-up that's why I don't like POV or shots shot too close.
nibelungo
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"The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be" P. Valery
145 Posts
6/07
Posted - Feb 14 2009 : 12:35PM
I like POV!
I'd like to watch more pov blowjob (like suck it dry from Darkko) and pov handjob (like tugjobs series from Bangbros, mmmmhhh...)
fatalbert
Member

Diagonally parked in a parallel universe
576 Posts
5/03
Posted - Feb 14 2009 : 1:49PM
Well, see, that's just the problem. I recently acquired a copy of Suck It Dry #3 by Darkko, and his technique ruins the effect IMO.
He constantly strains for an "unusual angle" -- zooming wildly, rotating the camera out-of-level, and other annoying BS, the "star" seems to be the guy's dick instead of the girls' faces, i.e., we're too often seeing only half her face, or only her boobs during a tit job, etc.
I love the concept of POV, and I am not singling out J. Darkko for criticism, for he has much company. I know there are many who post here who love the microscopic close ups and dizzying camera trickery (why else would there be so much of it?), but I can seldom if ever find a director/cameraman who puts a visually sensible perspective first.
When someone hands you a photo to look at -- of a beautiful woman, of a race car, whatever -- do you turn it upside down, at a 45 degree angle, or peer at it two inches from your face? You are perfectly welcome to do so, but I'd like the option of not having to stand on my head to make visual sense of any picture or film frame.
In short, is there POV (or any) porn out there made for those of us who just want a good clear, holistic view? who don't need fish eye lenses or MTV-type flash-bang shit to hold our attention? I can't seem to find it.
nibelungo
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"The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be" P. Valery
145 Posts
6/07
Posted - Feb 14 2009 : 2:52PM
^ I grasp the meaning of your reply but I think Suck It Dry series is more than passable. Besides it's so hard to find a good pov oral movie in dvd.
I like the eye contact and generally the close up on the girl's face that good pov oral movies show me.

hollywood woody
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Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin
1567 Posts
2/07
Posted - Feb 17 2009 : 8:30PM
Thank you all for the input. Some of you had some great ideas we will use.
If you can think of anything you really want to see in a POV let me know and we will make it for you.
typvgs
Member

46 Posts
9/05
Posted - Feb 17 2009 : 10:16PM
IMO, lady's POV is very, very interesting and is a very underserved market.
Point me in the direction of good, L-POV and I'll buy every DVD available.
A-ten
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581 Posts
8/07
Posted - Feb 17 2009 : 10:21PM
I like PoV if the girl knows how to play to the camera with her eyes. Most of the time the women chosen do a good job. That's the real key. Does the woman object of affection know how to use her eyes, body, and voice to play to the viewer.
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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4/08
Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 12:29AM
Wouldn't L-POV just be a dick coming closer to the camera until the lens is enclosed within a bunch of pubic hair, and then moving away from the camera until maybe half the cock and up to the belly button is in view, and then coming close until the lens is enclosed within a bunch of pubic hair again, and repeat for about ten minutes? Every once in a while the dick goes far enough from the lens that more of the dude is in view, at which point the lens tilts up and some ugly, horny dude spits on the lens and calls it a dirty whore, and then back to the dick sliding towards and away from the lens, over and over and over again.
I can't really imagine that selling very well...
tritone
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1009 Posts
4/03
Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 12:56AM
LOL. Exactly. Great post.
P.S. - You are one the best mods we've had, killbill!
Edited by - tritone on 2/18/2009 12:57:58 AM
monkey power
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Tim?
868 Posts
1/03
Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 3:25AM
It's like taking joy in an incomplete view.
People want to pretend like it's really them in the scene? Well it's still just a movie and not really sex for the home viewer, only now that movie is showing less. With normal porn at least you can say that even though it's not sex, it manages to show a better view than what you'd see while having sex. Now with POV you can't say that so it's a lose lose.
To keep POV titles interesting to the wider audience I'd split it like 80% POV and 20% traditional porn so one still gets a decent view of what's going down.
 
hollywood woody
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Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin
1567 Posts
2/07
Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 1:24PM
Thank you for clarifying that, I was wondering the samething. Maybe he has a new idea.
backdoorman
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Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman !
2776 Posts
10/07
Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 7:14PM
That or just POD point of dick.
JONNYESS
Member

217 Posts
12/06
Posted - Feb 18 2009 : 7:19PM
I recall the advent of POV back in the 80's, with the imported XXX full color mags at the local porn shop..."Here's Looking at You" etc. Very exciting change from the standard voyeur perspective which was status quo at the time.
Like everything though, way overdone since then to the point of erotic irrelevance...
Dan
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2056 Posts
6/07
Posted - Feb 19 2009 : 11:33AM
One point of view I'd like to see is a lengthy close-up shot of the lady's face, while she is having sex with a guy or two. Where she keeps looking straight into the lens of the camera and at the viewer watching her. And where some of her slightly-out-of-focus-banging is visible to the viewer too.
If the studs are any good at what they do. Then this lady will naturally show to the viewer with her facial expressions how their invasions, penetrations and banging make her feel. The viewer probably would be able to tell from the lady's wry or happy facial expressions if the guys are banging her pussy or ass. But to remove any doubt from the viewer's mind and to keep him informed. The studs should yell something lewd or rude about the lady's nice pussy or gorgeous ass before they plunge in between her pussy-lips or ass-cheeks.
With her looking straight into the eyes of the viewer, the viewer will feel a personal connection with her. Which will make it easy for the viewer to imagine that he is the one having sex with her. Or at least this lady's personal and intimate gaze at the viewer will make him feel welcome to join the studs and have sex with her too.
A very intimate and personal connection like that between the porn-lady and the viewer is bound to make him feel a part of the sex-action. And a very welcome part at that. No one can make the viewer feel more welcome and more included in the scene than the lady who is having sex with the guys. She is the natural hostess who can make all the men feel welcome to ride her, including the viewer. Or perhaps I should say, especially the viewer. Because including the viewer is the purpose of POV.
hollywood woody
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Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin
1567 Posts
2/07
Posted - Feb 19 2009 : 7:32PM
Thanks Dan for your input. We will be announcing a new POV line soon that you guys helped make the best. Thanks again.
Your input is what makes Cezar capone tick.
Edited by - hollywood woody on 2/20/2009 2:14:21 PM
Aplus
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1431 Posts
5/05
Posted - Feb 19 2009 : 7:57PM
I like POV sometimes, just depends on who is shooting it. Visually I find it very limiting though. I find a lot of female performers to be either passive or submissive. POV is better when the woman can take the lead or be somewhat aggressive IMO. Also helps if there is good chemistry between the performers. Some women are clearly better in them than others though.
typvgs
Member

46 Posts
9/05
Posted - Feb 24 2009 : 8:30AM
No, that wouldn't sell very well.
What I had in mind was POV that would---in certain instances, where it would be attractive---include the lady's point of view. Imagine, for example, a scene with the girl lying on her back getting fuck really hard with her legs dangling over the edge of a bed. The camera would be positioned at the top of her head, pointing in the direction of her pussy. You'd see the side of her face in clear focus, with lots of fear and pleasure and expression. You'd see her tits and torso in clear view. Near the edge of the frame, you'd see her getting fuck hard, basically from her point of view.
L-POV wouldn't work quite as obviously or directly as standard POV would, I agree. The girl's face would need to be in frame, for the most part, but you'd show at least some of the action from her point of view.
You can find these camera angles a bit more in solo vids. (Ron Harris comes to mind, for example.)
Maybe L-POV could be mixed in with standard POV. You'd get his perspective, or her's. No 3rd person perspective.
I don't like pure, standard POV. I find the camera angles too repetitive.
typvgs
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46 Posts
9/05
Posted - Feb 24 2009 : 8:42AM
I'm not trying diss standard POV, because sometimes it is done really well. However, too often it is in fact the dick that is the main focus of the frame.
By the way, Cezar Capone looks like great site.
Edited by - typvgs on 2/24/2009 8:43:13 AM
Boneless
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151 Posts
6/08
Posted - Feb 24 2009 : 8:45AM
POV sucks...
hollywood woody
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Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin
1567 Posts
2/07
Posted - Feb 24 2009 : 3:29PM
Thank you very much.
Algaliarept
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3557 Posts
7/08
Posted - Jun 25 2010 : 12:00AM
agreed...I just got "Barely Legal POV 7" and it does take you out a little bit, as the girls do all the fucking. He also dosen't have much reparte with the girls. At one point in the tease, Nicole Ray lobs him a softball when she talks about how its cool to have a job where she can be naked, stating that the only others were those gals who get sushi eaten off of them - and suggestively moved her hands up and down her torso seductively. Dan was completely silent, I almost thought crickets would start chirping. The obvious line would have been "would want people to eat sushi off your naked body?" which could've gone so many places. I will give him the benefit of the doubt in that if I was within arms reach of a naked Nicole Ray, knowing I was going to be able to fuck her within moments, I might not be able to think on my feet either.
I don't want to pile on, and I'm only making a review of sorts. Another thing that comes to mind is the director often cut integral stuff out of the shots. There were times in the BJ for example, that all you could see was the top part of Nicole's head, also his arm was often in the shot. Granted, I would be a bad cinematographer to if getting fucked by such a woman, but it happens in most scenes - and this is the 7th edition, you'd think the kinks would be ironed out by now.
For those that disparage POV directors like Mike John, Von Swine, Mike Quasar (he shoots in POV style anyways), remember they always had witty, funny, interesting, comments and tease before and in BTS.
Just some respectful criticism
Edited by - algaliarept on 6/25/2010 12:35:01 AM
THICK_LOVA54
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1441 Posts
5/10
Posted - Jun 25 2010 : 12:05AM
I like it sometimes especially when the girl has a nice big ass and if they are doing anal thats cool sometimes...I remember this one POV scene from the Bangbros with Druuna it was my fav POV scene by far so I say it depends on who it is IMO
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Algaliarept
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3557 Posts
7/08
Posted - Jun 25 2010 : 12:30AM
^^
The guys who do it well...do it very well, namely Mike John, Erik Everhard, Chris Streams, Tim Von Swine, Jules Jordan (when he used to do it anyway), John Strong, Michael Stefano, and Manuel Ferrara. (Honorable Mention to Mike Quasar - who although not a participant/director, shoots great POV style movies such as "Head Case" or the "Interactive Sex" movies)
I'm not a gagging blowjob kind of guy, but if you are into it - Johnni Darkko shoots good POV in this regard (Suck it Dry series, etc)
Digmen1
Member

629 Posts
7/07
Posted - Jun 25 2010 : 4:07AM
I like POV
charn
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2880 Posts
12/09
Posted - Jul 7 2010 : 6:05PM
I watched a few POV vids and then was distracted by other genres for a decade, but now I see some POV advantages, such as it doesn't have the underneath angles or side entry one leg in the air circus acts. If the camera needs two hands to operate, the guy has none left for self-stroking. That's a big plus.
Jonny Jay All-Star Supporter
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5990 Posts
8/09
Posted - Jul 7 2010 : 6:06PM
Not a fan of POV I like the wide lense.
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