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SueR
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Under a hill of books
262 Posts
12/02
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 8:46PM
We throw around terms like "amateur" and "real couples" like we're all on the same page as to what this means in the lexiporn. But what do they mean to each of us?

Are the scenes with Missy and Mickey G, formerly life partners off-screen, not "real" because they were "professional" pornstars?

Is an 18 y.o. porn starlet who's done 20 scenes more of a sexual "professional" than a 45 y.o. dominatrix who's just sent her first tape to Homegrown Video?

Is a scene between Brandon Irons and Bisexual Britni (2 people who've known each other, like each other, and have worked together before) less "real sex" than sex between 2 strangers who meet at a Piggly Wiggly then hit the Holiday Inn for some afternoon delight?

Is saying, "porno is not 'real' because so many scenes end in external cumshots, and I prefer my man to cum inside me" comparable to saying "professional basketball is not real basketball because so many plays end in a slam dunk, and I don't know anyone in our IM league--except those freaks SueR and Yogagrrl--who can dunk"?

Does low-tech camerawork mean more sexual heat?

If minimal direction makes a couple behave more "realistically", then isn't gonzo "real sex"?

Den
Member

911 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 9:12PM
Amateur to me is any movie that you must get from
internet or mail order only. Such as:
* Jan B
* Wifey

Pro is any movie that is in general release and available
at the local video store. This includes amateur style
movies such as:
* HomeGrown
* Randy West

There is no such thing as Pro/Am in my world. It is either
pro or amateur, but not both.

Den

Planet Sex
Deactivated User

1951 Posts
6/01
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 9:36PM
No. Just more blurry images.
SueR
Member

Under a hill of books
262 Posts
12/02
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 9:53PM
Alright Den, great answer. But what about bricks and mortar stores who carry these titles? [There is a store in my city that has a shelf of videos you can only get via the Net.] And what about magazine-sponsored videos (like from Scoreland or Danni.com) that you can only get from internet or mail order, but are made by professionals like Suze Randall? Is "amateur" a matter of distribution method?
So you put Homegrown videos, made by novice videomakers, in the same category as Randy West, who has directed hundreds of videos?
Den
Member

911 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 10:10PM
It's about shelve space. The store owner could care less of
the Amateur / Pro titles. It is taking up space in his
store and does it rent?

Homegrown -vrs- Randy West. Both take up shelve space and
the store owner is going to buy the one that rents the
most.

If Homegrown wants to compete, then it better upgrade it's
poor quality.

I know 2 store owners and they spend alot of time on what
tapes rent and on ROI% (Return on Investment).

That is why some stores do not carry 'couples' tapes
because they don't rent.

Den

 
Mythsong
Member

306 Posts
8/02
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 10:54PM
So - if it takes up shelf space it's not amateur? If one of your Wifey / Jan B titles suddenly found it's way onto shelves all over the place then it would suddenly no longer be amateur?
Again - you seem to be implicitly claiming here that if it's amateur it's a) poor quality and b) not competitive.

Or perhaps I'm simply misunderstanding what you're saying in term of cause and effect.

However, when answering SueR about the difference between Homegrown and Randy West it was "shelf space" you sited that made them both part of the amateur category.

Shouldn't there be a technical production / contextual reason for the genre rather than just marketing factors?

Planet Sex
Deactivated User

1951 Posts
6/01
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 11:00PM
Unfortunately, the title "amateur" is kind of a bad juju, a stigma to the genre.

For every talented amateur (that I DO label as Pro/Am) in the market, there´s tons of Stagliano wannabe´s who just buy a camera, shoot some biatches under bad or no lighting at all, do a rush-rush job at the editing bay, if any, to save costs, and put all that shit on the market under the "amateur" label.

That´s not "amateur". That amateur-ISH, a completely different animal.

Den
Member

911 Posts
9/02
Posted - Dec 23 2002 : 11:10PM
So - if it takes up shelf space it's not amateur? If one of your Wifey / Jan B titles suddenly found it's way onto shelves all over the place then it would suddenly no longer be amateur?
Correct. It is on the shelve taking up space and needs to
rent to compete against the others.
No. There is some very good quality amateur movies. If Homegrown has poor quality and Randy West has good quality,
then Homegrown had better upgrade. If any company's tapes
are not good quality, they need to upgrate to be competitve.


Or perhaps I'm simply misunderstanding what you're saying in term of cause and effect.

However, when answering SueR about the difference between Homegrown and Randy West it was "shelf space" you sited that made them both part of the amateur category.
No, they both are NOT amateur. You can get them at the
video store.
Shouldn't there be a technical production / contextual reason for the genre rather than just marketing factors?

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No. Amateur tape producers generally want to 'control'
their product and don't want it to be rented. They want
to force you to buy their product.

Simply put, all tapes/DVDs in video store are competing
against one another and the store owner is only going to
purchase from the Company that his products rent.

Den

Rumplestilt Skin
Deactivated User

931 Posts
7/02
Posted - Dec 24 2002 : 4:18AM
It means being below average looks-wise, having a hairy snatch, loads of tattoos, and cigerette burns on the arms.
In general terms at least.



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