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Alexandria Nice, Jeanna Fine, Belladonna, Taylor Rain, Aluren Pheonix, Katja Kassin and even Jewel De 'Nyle before she went mental up in this camp. Girls that put in work are the ones that people love and talk about here. Contracts are for beauty queens that don't want to do the dirty work. Sure, may get you on Stern, but while you're pushing one of your two annual releases, I'm lobbyng to get Barbara Summer, Trina Michaels and a host of females nominated for performer of the year.

The only contract I recognize is the one I bought for my Washer and Dryer. Whenever I need to get dirty or need a good old fashioned blow I'll count on that before any overated contract trick!

(Words & opinions of The Pocketcomb Pimp may not reflect the sentiment of the thread author or ADT)

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Geez, guys, it boils down to what everything else boils down to: what the individual wants to watch. It's the blanket "career killing" statements that really annoy me. Just because you don't want to watch them anymore doesn't mean that's true for everyone else. And like others have pointed out, ADT is imblanaced in its representation.

The loudest voices aren't necessarily the largest audience.

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As far as watching porn in motels, I can't comment. I'm anything but low class, and never stay in motels. Nonetheless, maybe we should pick apart the female stars of the top 10 films and see how many are still on our tongues or on top pf the porn game.

You can have Jenna, I'll take Jeanna Fine. If you see Jenna, ask her where her ass is at?

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What does your personal preference have to do with how well a star is known ? If you cover your eyes do you really thing the whole world goes dark ?! Seriously . For myself , I have no great interest in Teagan , Tera , or Kami (sexually) . But that doesn't alter the fact that they're well liked by many others . Not career death , career evolution .

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Sky Lopez - Did direct for Sineplex for a while after Bella left but I am not sure she still does.

Sunrise - was with Vivid in January but I honestly don't follow them that much so I can't tell you anything for certain.

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Whether or not she turns you on is another matter. Personally, I never was and never will be excited by her.

But that doesn't change the fact that she is already FAMOUS, the biggest and most recognizable name in porn. There can be no denial she's a huge success, and any number of rank-and-file gonzo girls would want to trade places with her. Her "career legacy" is well in place, whether or not it meets your approval.

Not trying to rush to anybody's defense, but let's not fall into the porn aficionado trap of falling out of touch with the rest of the world. Saying nobody cares about Jenna Jameson is like saying nobody cares about Pamela Anderson.

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Jena Jameson has made it onto primetime network television outside of scandal crap shows. Besides Traci Lords on Melrose Place I cannot think of another who has done this. This is while she was an active star.

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... and I still didnt get an answer to the original question on this thread?!

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Your #1 issue is you can't see straight when you have your lips pressed so firmly against Jenna's flat ass. Mary Carey gets just as much mainstream attention as Jenna so no matter what you say, you ain't selling me on shit. I already conceded that she has a fanbase, but once again so do others. Exposure does not equate to sales, or Tabitha Stevens would be just as popular.

Tell you what, take a breath and come back with something better, cause insulting people who dissagree shows that your obsession is real.

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Back to the original question ... I read somewhere that Haven had moved behind the cameras . Not sure if that's permanent or even exclusive . Hell , it may not even be true . Bet you're glad I shared that nugget , ain't ya !

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Haven does PA work on some sets but still says she does movies just not very many of them.

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The first year of the show, I think that had all of the Wicked contract girls on the show at least once. So, a lof of pornstars got exactly that kind of casual television exposure.

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Also, as an avid IR supporter, I can tell you that contracts and IR don't work well together.

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You're acting like a total fool.

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As far as looking like a fool, that's your opinion, but it takes one to know.......

This is about discusion and debate so how about you stick to the topic and stop trying to start a flame.

Better yet, prove me wrong!

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And all you're replies have been misguided opinions, caused by 'gonzo tunnel view', and insults.

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Until now, my replies were directed to the original tone of this thread, but now I'm going to tell you that you "Contract Tunnel View" is just as real as my Gonzo view. You can have Jenna, if it was up to my dollar, she'd be just another broke retired ho.

Tell you what, since you did such a good job proving your point, how about your post some facts, and not opinions.

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Everyone should just stop now and call it a day. The bickering isn't going to solve anything and like a friend always tells me, "When you see two people arguing from a distance, a passerby can't tell which one is the fool. They both look stupid." So why waste the time and energy, all to look like a dumbass in the end?

Fans of gonzo always complain "___ company is handcuffing ___ and won't let her do what she wants. They make ___ do this, when she used to like doing gangbangs, DP's, IR, and ATM."

Has anyone ever considered that this simply isn't the case? Ever imagine it might very well be the REVERSE? Has anyone ever thought that it's the RLDs, PXPs, ZTs, EAs (both) and 3Ds that more or less convince your favorite girls to do the acts they tell you they love so that they'll get noticed? So that they'll get that contract but first they have to pay their dues?

Maybe, just maybe, a few girls come into the business wanting a contract, wanting to not have to do anal in every movie, to be safe from HIV by having condom-only sex, *gasp* to not have to screw a race they're not physically attracted to...but no one's going to shove a contract in your face as soon as you show up at World Modelling. Most girls don't get that luxury right off the bat. We know the route they travel. But yet we persist to bitch.

So, in short: stop complaining. Digital Playground, Vivid, Wicked, JKP, Sin City, etc. haven't stolen anything from you. They haven't stopped these girls from doing anything they liked to do. They may have just stepped in and rescued these girls from a life they didn't necessarily want to lead but saw it only as the means to an end.

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Have you ever talked to any of these girls to see what their opinion is of the move or are you just making assumptions? Have you ever even bothered to watch Teagan's scene from Teen America #1 (Digital Playground)?

Now as to the whole "career killer" thing. Most contract girls will flat out tell you that they could have gotten more work and depending on their popularity more boxcovers had they stayed freelance. Which translates into more money. In some cases A LOT more money. However, most of them step into it knowing that if they go the contract route then they are going to exchange that money for some security and things like a medical and dental package. Not to mention a PR department whose job it now will be to promote you not just the next movie.

So why is it some girls get contracts and then eventually leave the business. The reasons are varied but usually it comes down to burnout and the company usually doesn't have much to do with that. If anything the slower pace of contract life probably extends their stay in the industry not shortens it.

Let's face it today's porn industry is not a cake walk.

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It's all personal opinion. Teaan is cute and I have seen a few of her titles, but I was not a fan of hers before she signed with DP. I think Fight Club, Van Helsing and The Hulk were all terrible movies, but I meet people weekly that love them.

I talk to quite a few industry people and regardless of what people tell me or say, I still form my own opinions.

I know that people can make more movies and do other things when not under contract, I also now some girl see it as as prize, that they are either prettier or better performers than non contract girls. Personally, when it comes down too it, I'm not into features. Dark Bros did it well, and so did a few others, but todays Features and Contract women are not for me.

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More money for less work with more control over shoots must surely be a good thing for the girls?

Sure not as many people here are talking about teagan, but so what? She wasn't getting any extra pay from the gonzo porn producers was she?

They were getting rich of her popularity so why shouldn't she get a slice of the money her popularity earned for others?

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This is a business and the point of every business is to make money off the consumer AND EMPLOYESS. That means that the pretty faces and plastic figues sell boxes on thier own, but that's more money and control for the studio, not the talent.

Was Shaq more valuable as a rookie, or as a free agent...? They get most of these women when they are young, dumb or eager. People keep waving a flag for Jenna, but guess what. She is one of the 1st Contract women. It's like a pyramid scheme. Most girls don't get rich of a contract.

The new studio system is also a curse and a blessing. It's allowing stars and directors to own titles and make more money, but when you spread these people out and add in contract, you'll never see Lex and Mandingo work together, or Jewel and Jenna for that matter.

We could shop this up forever, but until you post figure showing me that Contract women retire rich and famous, I don't buy it.

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How much more money does a striper make as a feature dancer ? And how many non contract porners make it to feature dancer status ?

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I would still say it's more likely than a non contract girl ending up rich.

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So yeah the contract girls don't get as many videos out as gonzo girls, but I think they make it out better in the long run.

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And there was just a recent post on another thread that said on an interview with her aunt Sunset Thomas on the Opie & Anthony Show that she said Sunrise is currently out of the business.

I hope this is not true because it would just break my heart but that is the latest.

Guess I'll have to start checking out the Club Jenna Girls. Can't wait to see Sunny Leone as well.

She has a new movie out called "Scorpio Rising" and at least two others in the can for Vivid.

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