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| Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05 |  Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 3:00AM[Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 9:04AM So much of it depends on what's happening on the screen. Sometimes I think that 40 minute scene is great and sometimes a 15 minute scene seems to go on way too long. But I still maintain I'd much rather prefer too much than too little. It would be nice if I didn't have to fastfowrd but it's really not that big a deal if I have to or want to. [Link] |
| 2ferme Senior Member 1333 Posts 11/09 | Posted - Jul 10 2012 : 11:45AM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 9:35PM Porn made in the 70's rarely targeted a specific market probably because there wasn't really that much of a demand or possibility. Not too mention that unless you shot loops and stag films then you were doing feature films. [Link] |
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| Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 13 2012 : 2:59PM [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 7:10PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 9:03PM [Link] |
| Herzog Deactivated User 245 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Jul 15 2012 : 9:20PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 12:02AM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 11:41AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 8:43PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 17 2012 : 9:26PM [Link] |
| BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 6:08PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 7:13PM [Link] |
| Jonny Jay Outlier Moderator 5990 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 7:33PM [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 18 2012 : 8:26PM [Link] |
| Herzog Deactivated User 245 Posts 2/12 | Posted - Jul 20 2012 : 3:19PM [Link] |
| md99 Member 116 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jul 21 2012 : 12:21AM It seems to me that what is produced, today, is very predictable. Many, many scenes have a "recipe" of plug in anyone to the scene and 1, 2, 3, end, repeat again and again. There is not much of a plot (for lack of a better term), nowadays. Not all, but many of the females have had so much surgery that they really have no semblance to a real girl. They almost look like a man-made robot or doll. Not many Annette Haven's to be found anymore. I cannot remember the blonde actress who was simply beautiful when she started, then after many surgeries (too many total and bad technique) I saw a picture of her and did not recognize or realize it was her, anymore. That was very sad, indeed. Although porn may not be the source for humor during the main scene, there use to be some humor that was truly funny. Ron Jeremy was funny at the right time, Joey Silvera was at times, and John Leslie. Now, it seems like guys especially are really into themselves and are afraid to be themselves or have humor come their way. Maybe they just don't have a sense of humor. Now, it always seems to be about the guy and the gotta self-jerk ending. No matter what the scene is portrayed as, it is about the guy having to be in control. The females seem to be used until the end, then she is supposed to sit there, be still, and get jerked on. Predictable and boring. When the female is a 50% or greater part of the ending, it is much more exciting, unpredictable, and better resulting cumshot, every time, guaranteed (unless she is zonked out on something and detached from what is occurring). There does not seem to be much of an attitude of "let it flow". Meaning, not much of a natural flow between those in a scene. I don't know if it is too much directing and trying to force things along and fit into a time allotment, or not. But, scenes seem to be 5 minutes of BJ, 3 minutes one position, change 3 minutes another, change, self-jerk on her face, end. Oooookay. Every scene does not need like the same parts in the same order. Can a scene have only 1 or 2 positions? Maybe give those involved the general idea, some references to consider and let them go. Stopping or interrupting only when necessary. There may be places to edit LATER, but do it later. Let them flow as naturally as possible. Don't click the stopwatch and yell, "Switch". Maybe the problem is men being the directors. I don't know. Are there many women directors that make porn that is not soft or something. I can only think of Candida Royalle and Anna Span, at the moment, as I know there are more. Maybe that would help? There have to be some successful porn actresses like Jill Kelly and Jenna Jameson who have production companies and know what has transpired in the genre and what is overdone and what is desired. Trying to be more outrageous or shocking doesn't seem to be the answer to success. I am not sure how far unbelievability goes. Just personally, I have no interest in the way women seem to be used, abused, gagged until there eyes are uncontrollably watering, almost jerking out hair, and simply a thing and not treated as a lover to be pleased. Maybe I am out of touch, but I don't really know any women who would desire to be treated like that, much less stand for it. I realize that it is a movie. No one dies in a war movie or in a car wreck in a car chase movie, but maybe these titles are intended as an far escape fantasy from reality. I don't think they should not be made. If someone signs a contract to appear in a scene, that is totally their prerogative. Man, if I could win that Power Ball....or maybe not. I might be the biggest flop in that attempt! Thanks for posting this topic. I will go back and read all the replies, and probably learn something that I had not considered. Thanks [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 21 2012 : 10:00AM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 21 2012 : 2:15PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 21 2012 : 2:27PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 11:18AM I'm not claiming this always happened but I've seen it more than a few times. I'm sure the people here with all the positive memories are perhaps talking about the best of the best of that era and those movies were as great as they say but most of the stuff I've seen from that era falls short of what's being described in this thread. I'm not being negative for the sake of being negative but most of the stuff I've seen from the 70s isn't as good as what some are making it out to be. I also don't think today's stuff is as bad as some are making it out to be. I know much of it is opinion but I just read what's being said here and wondering how I see things so differently. Edited by - draxxx on 7/22/2012 12:55:17 PM [Link] |
| Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09 | Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 11:44AM As for self-jerk finishes, in my own experience there are fewer in old porn, and I think this is probably to do with Viagra, Cialis, et al. Side note, but related: while not common per se, there are a number of no-hands finishes in old porn, a good portion of them courtesy of my man John Leslie. That's always a fun surprise. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 7:25PM I'm exaggerating there but not much. I know people tend to compare what they like and choose the best to compare to the worse of what they don't like to try and make their claim but it's not a fair or accurate comparison. I acknowledge there was some good stuff from that era but from what I've seen it wasn't all good by any means and there some bad stuff from this era but there's plenty of good stuff. Stuff that I feel that's superior to to the 70s stuff by a long shot in many ways. [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 9:44PM [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 10:10PM There were a few more female directors out there with Anne Perry being one of the major ones. It was also recently revealed that Lisa Barr was indeed a woman. Suze Randall also made many loops and a few features. [Link] |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jul 22 2012 : 10:23PM 1) Most of the more prolific directors in the 70's and 80's were serious filmmakers who ended up in the XXX film world for some reason or another. As a result, many bigger budget XXX features made pre-1986 have the feeling of a normal movie that just happens to have hardcore sex. Today, 'features' seems to be a niche genre where the presence of a storyline often feels like a gimmick or marketing ploy. Minimal attention is usually paid to the artistic qualities of the work. 2) Many of the actors [gender inclusive use] were ACTORS and some even had training. As others have mentioned, being a star in X rated movies actually meant something and carried with it a degree of legitimate fame and notoriety. Today, even actors who do possess acting talent (of which there still many) are not treated as ACTORS. 3) Running time and budgetary constraints factored into the way many films in the 70's and 80's were made. It was typically cost prohibitive to make a film that ran much longer than 80 min, and producers often preferred shorter running times because XXX features were typically shown as double features and needed to fit into a 3 to 3 and a half hour time slot, including trailers. Filmmakers were therefore forced to squeeze complete narratives into roughly 50 min, to leave another 25-30 min for sex. Today, most 'features' run 2+ hours but still typically include 50 min of plot, max. 4) Sex scenes were treated as an integral part of the film. Not as something that could/should be extracted from it and viewed as 'scenes.' Actors were usually obliged to stay in character during the sex. Today's sex scenes in features are unfortunately often made into overly-long loops that stick out like sore thumbs from the scant storylines. Therefore, watching extracted sex scenes from 70's/80's features is more or less an insult to the filmmakers. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 8:30AM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 8:39AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 8:54AM [Link] |
| Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10 | Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 11:48AM Also, shooting a movie on film, editing it and then releasing it on film (which meant costly prints) presented a financial threshold that most wannabees could not muster. This kept most of the really bad stuff from being created in the first place. Compare this to today's bane of "visionaries," with a handheld camera, a home computer and an internet connection, flooding the market with sub-standard product that competes head-to-head against the professional studios, producers and directors. I think the best of today's porn is as good as it ever has been. It is much more suitable to whacking to than ever. The A/V technical quality, alone, also makes it more enjoyable. But, the Golden Age on film was a wonderful time. I would kill to be able to see Golden Age titles, as released on DVD, that capture the look and quality that the films had in the theatres. I haven't seen one yet that does. But, this is almost entirely due to the inferior source-quality of what remains of the original films today :( So, for those who never saw porn shot on film shown in real theatres (and I mean real theatres -- not the Tiki Theater), please don't judge the Golden Age by the remains we are still able to glimpse on VHS and DVD today. [Link] |
| Jonny Jay Outlier Moderator 5990 Posts 8/09 | Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 1:37PM |
| john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 2:48PM |
| coolfonz Member 465 Posts 3/08 | Posted - Jul 23 2012 : 3:28PM [Link] |
| draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09 | Posted - Nov 25 2012 : 8:28PM I just watched Dave's Old Porn with my favorite from the era Ginger Lynn and one of my fav dudes atm Joe Rogan for his comments on Bill Hicks, dope, and UFC. And both Joe and Ginger feel exactly the same way I do. Firstly Ginger was so playful today, dunno how anybody as Joe said would not be hard as steel even just being around her back in her prime. Anyway during the discussion they said.. Ginger - "Worship your cock".. Exactamundo! Joe - "Why is it so different, so violent today?".. Exactamundo! Ginger reply - "There is no passion".. Exactamundo! and "There is no leadup.. on the plane, on the way there, before every scene I was excited. There was a buildup, there was a turn on, there was no wham bam thank you Mam" I feel this thread drifted off course a bit onto the subject of plot. That was never the topic I wanted to discuss, only want to discuss the sex. The difference in the sex performed back in the 70/80s with today's porn. * As I said in the beginning is it the changing role/power of women in society today that brings out the male aggression? Is what coolfonz said true, is this prevalence a reflection of today's society and the roles and relationships between men and women? * Perhaps is a factor is that unlike producing a full movie then, today is producing individual commoditized scenes that can both be sold on a dvd and individually over the internet. As Ginger said removing any leadup, excitement and passion just arrive strip/suck/fuck/facial leave. * Another consideration, perhaps a contributing factor that with so much porn today and the constant problem of not enough male talent that these guys having to perform half a dozen scenes a day have to skull-fuck and jack-hammer to get the job done. In the Louis Theroux doco one guy talked about 12 or 14 pops on a single day. Last thing on the topic of the facial then cut to black screen. I can't find it again now, but sure somewhere in there was said by Ginger that the start of the cumshot is not the end of the scene eg when she stops, and by Joe and again something I agree with that her still rocking her body like she was cumming during and after a doggy ass-back cumshot was very hot! Edited by - draghixafan on 11/25/2012 9:45:54 PM [Link] |
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