Devils Films and a lot of other companies hire East European girls for their productions. Although they look stunning most of the time and they are willing to do the raunchiest stuff in the bizz... scenes with those girls mostly don't do it for me. Looking in the camera is the first thing I don't like. So often it is sooo clear that those girls are only doing this stuff to pay the bills. In scenes they hardly take the initiative to do something spontanious. The look at the cameraman or director with the questionmark "what must I do next?" The best example is the ffm scenes where the girls wait their turn to be fucked in stead of really join the action. When they are ordered to lick another girls ass, the hardly touch the spot with their tounge. I have seen scenes from companies like sineplex.. where those east european girls look like they have pain when they are taken from behind. Generally it seems that those actresses don't enjoy themselves. No... they are beautiflull and of course their are also some good scenes every now and then buit general... I Fast forward the Devils Films and Sineplex Stuff.
Well, to be fair, I only go to work every day because I like to eat and pay the rent. I'm sure that lots of American girls are only in porn for the money too.
[/quote] Well, to be fair, I only go to work every day because I like to eat and pay the rent. I'm sure that lots of American girls are only in porn for the money too. [/quote] Well o.k maybe I ment it this way: Most of those East European girls look like they really have to do this because there is no other means of supporting themselves. Of course I have no proof of that but they really seem not to be into the stuff. Alot of american pornstars seem to enjoy it. Just a little pick: Flower Tucci, Sindee Jennings, Renae Cruz, Jenna Haze, Sasha Grey, Rebeca Linares etc etc The only east european girls who seem to enjoy it are Clara G, nella, sophie moon and sandy
+1 for your opening post. I have to agree to a certain extent although I dont agree in the massive generalisation. There are some good stars here who really do love what they do and are every bit as into it as they are for the money. However I do agree that there are a large percentage of 'just for the money' girls here and honestly thats fine if they can carry off the performance. However most are not even bothered about the results of the movie and most definitley have hooker mentality! These chicks are tough work and honestly are not great fun to work with or watch. However I guess one good thing that you could take from this is that it breeds some of the industries top male performers. To function in some of the circumstances we are put in over here means you can function with anything! Something good comes out of every bad in my opinion... Keni KENI ON YOUTUBE
I just love those gorgeous East Europeans and can't really find anything not to like about them. I like if they sometimes appear a little distant or unsure - that's probably how they're feeling, so it's real. Ditto looking in pain - those outsize dicks probably do hurt. I feel enormously privileged they're sharing their sexuality with porn viewers like me.
I love eastern european girls more than everything. They are so beautiful and natural looking. And they don't mind doing all the nasty things. I know some of them are not that good in front of the camera but often that's because of the not so great production values you get when you are shooting porn in places like St. Petersburg in Russia. I think there are also many great girls in America. But I can't stand all the nonsense dirty talk and over the top acting. When a girl like Bree Olson screams: I'm cumming, I'm cumming 4 or 5 times during a scene I just think com' on, who are you trying to fool? If you want eastern european women at their best you should watch some Cristoph Clark movies. He always gets the best from the girls he shoot.
This might have something to do with the language barrier as well. You rarely see the eastern european girls talk as english is not their native language. That might also account for some of the distance they feel. I don't doubt that there's some who need the money badly either, but I am sure a fair amount of American girls are in trouble as well.
I agree. It's a personal choice thing again. Stunning looks and bodies usually make up for any irritations. Bree Olsen has been mentioned above - I love Bree, but why does she have to constantly finger herself when she gets a cock in her ass? Lost count of the movies I've seen her do this. Anyway, who could not have enjoyed watching Julie Silver and Dora Ventner in action?
Well, to be fair, I only go to work every day because I like to eat and pay the rent. I'm sure that lots of American girls are only in porn for the money too.
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Well o.k maybe I ment it this way: Most of those East European girls look like they really have to do this because there is no other means of supporting themselves. Of course I have no proof of that but they really seem not to be into the stuff. Alot of american pornstars seem to enjoy it. Just a little pick: [...] Rebeca Linares The only east european girls who seem to enjoy it are Clara G, nella, sophie moon and sandy
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Rebeca Linares is not American (granted, she's not East European either, she's West European, like e.g. Annette Schwarz and Katja Kassin to name two more obvious examples of non-American girls seeming to enjoy it. And what about Monica Sweetheart? She sure seems to like it, too. Nika Noire and Katerina Kat also come to mind.
I have not watched a Devils Film since their Gangland series maybe 5 or 6! But Evil Empire uses most of their ladies from the same place. Rocco can sure pick them! They are the "best" of all the ladies I have seen in all my videos. I think it is their beauty and raunchiness combined that makes them a big step above the rest.
i personally love to watch euro chicks in u.s made films,,,and euro made. hell, i'm started to search euro websites simply to find more of them,and the producers making it. i prefere over the top hardcore.nasty scenes.rough action. and lets face it,the euro woman are put thru the wringer. i've only posted a couple of comments here or anywhere(i'm new to this site/blogging stuff,,but a longtime porn watcher)but i love hardcore.i don't want to come across creapy,but some of the negatives mentioned above are what i look for when i want to view porn.i like when the girls look like it's a job.when they look uncomfortable,overwhelmed,exhausted. hell,i listen to others opinions,, and don't get the men who write that the women in porn should not be treated as sex objects.or that they should be given flowers and loved.that they should be all smiles tickled and given boxes of candy. UNREAL.they pass up 9-5 jobs to go to houses/sets to have sex with strangers for an hour or two,,walk away with thousands of dollars. if i made that in a day,i'd carry rocks or shovel shit for a living!!!!!
Evil Empire certainly has a knack for finding hot and talented euro-babes. Ditto for 3rd Degree Films. There are a fair number of good, talented east-european porn starlets out there, and I've been quite happy seeing Monica Sweetheart and Nikita Denise in action, as well as Angel Dark, Maya Gates, Liliane Tiger, Tera Bond, Jennifer Dark, Rita Faltoyano and Sharka Blue. Plus, I've heard good things about Mya Diamond.
You also have to take into consideration that some girls are just flat out bad performers. A great performer can be doing it because she's from east europe, has no other options, or whatever... and you'd never know it. Bad performers make everyones job that much harder.
Don't forget the director. For example PRIVATE is proud of having Antonio Adamo. But in every scene he directed he wanted the girls to look at the camera and when they do the scene gets boring & i don't want to continue watching. This happend with some of my favorite east earopean pornstars.
Well said Lange, my EBI friend. To everyone it's own. Some like it when the girls are overacting in the scene so that it's obvious they are only acting and don't give you their real emotions, some like you and me love it when they see real feelings. And sometime anal sex can hurt, so why not show this also. Ok, in Eastern Europe they may be more girls only for the money in this business than in the US, but that's because they realy need it. And to tintintin: You should look a Rocco's stuff from St. Petersburg (this is were all movies from Devils and Sineplex are made), and you will see the exactly same girls in much more pleasure and fun. It's all about the director and the male talent, they make a scene good or bad. And like Lange said, also check out Christoph's movies, you will not be dissapointed.
I like this. Like so many other sexual things, people either love it or hate it. As long as they don't constantly stare into the camera, I really love it. I like it when they make sporadic eye contact with the camera. Especially when it's a POV BJ and they're on their knees.I guess you have some points but you know what? I could say every one of these things about most American porn chicks. And I think, on average, the European girls are more attractive and even if their performances are a little cold, they carry out most of their necessary duties without obvious disgust or complaint. Most of the girls in the Devil's Films flicks I've seen open wide for the oral cumshot. They don't finch or dodge or screw their faces up. They take the cum right in the mouth. And they don't look the slightest bit disgusted by it. The oral cumshot is a big deal for me and so many American porn girls are the biggest cum dodgers ever. Now while I'm sure most of them are doing it strictly for the money, they do what they do pretty well and they look spectacular doing it. I'm sure it's pretty difficult to find women anywhere who are perfectly willing to lick another woman's ass. I would really love it if they would but at least I can understand ass licking is not everyone's cup of tea. The main complaint I would have against Devil's Films is that the male talent isn't always that great. There is one guy who seems to work for them a lot, I think his name is Franco Roccaforte. He is good most of the time. Some of the others? Not so much. And I disagree on another thing. I think a lot of European porn chicks actually really like to fuck. I don't get the sense that they're acting too much. Especially when they're paired with a real stud that they obviously dig. A lot of American chicks, I get a much more mechanical sense from them and a sense that they're not really getting into the sex that much.
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Like I said, give them a talented male actor and a good director and you will get a good scene. The problem today is that besides Rocco and Christoph there's nearly no really talented director shooting in Europe. All the others are in the US and when it comes to anal shoot the same girls over and over again. They finally should come back to Buda and St. Piter, where the girls are very beautiful and willing to do all kind of acts. And I'm with you RandomPrecision, many of them like to get fucked. Edited by - camaban on 7/29/2008 1:27:48 PM
It goes both ways... the girl must also bring something to the table. Great male talent and direction can make up for a lot, but if the girl doesn't bring anything on her end, the scene will still suffer.
I agree with the poster. I can't seem to think of any Eastern Euro chicks that look like they are getting into it. I think they are definitely the most beautiful girls. Anita Blond and Vicca are a couple of my favorites. Maybe it's the anal pounding that seems to prevalent in their movies. They know Rocco and some other dude are about to stick their dick's in her ass so they aren't real excited..... If there are any recommendations for hot euro chicks that actually get into it and heaven forbid have orgasms, I'd be interested in knowing.
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I find that the way actresses perform are often reflective of their respective cultures. Having been to EE quite a few times it is noticeable how people there are often more modest and introvert than westerners, with americans in particular there's really no comparison. Huge difference.
Could not have said it better. It is one thing to look sexy as hell and get naked and have sex on film but when you look as bored as hell and colder than a fish on ice there is nothing worse. The really sad thing is that more and more American actresses are going the same path.
Yes of course, I forgot to say that. But if director and male talent are not good, it's nearly unimportant how good the girl is, you will get a scene between average or bad. What I wanted to say is, that for a good scene director and male actor a very important and that at the moment in European it is a lack of good directors.
A few examples of new releases, in which the Eurobabes really like it: - Lea Lexis and Lucy Belle in Evil Anal 6 - Cecilia Vega in Evil Anal 6 - Sabrina Sweet in Evil Anal 6 - Lucy Belle in Slutty and Sluttier 7 - Milka Manson in Slutty and Sluttier 7 - Regina Ice in Young Harlots in Detention - Pearly Blue in Younf Harlots in Detention - Deniska in Young Harlots - Riding School - Camilla Ken in Rocco: Puppet Master - Wiska in Rocco: Breaking Ass in St. Petersburg - Lucy N. in Big Natrual Tits 19 (2 Scenes) - the whole movie Romanian Angel by Christoph Clark This is what comes in my mind, which I watched the last few weeks. Maybe you simple watch the wrong movies? Or is a girl only into it for you if she talks dirty through the whole scene saying over and over phrases like "Oh my god" or "I'm coming"? Then you will not find anything good in European porn, because it's not the nature of Eastern European girls to act their performance, like it's usual in US porn. The best examples are the Eurobabes who gone to the US for shooting, like Jennifer Dark or Maya Gates for example. Their performances are now totally different from the ones they did before in Europe. I think the directors urge the girls to act, taking dirty, ... because it's sells better on the US market.
I think there are just as many American and Western European pornstars who don't look interested in their work as their are Eastern European girls. Eatsern European girls just have a differnet style, they can be maybe colder looking sometimes, but they are more willing to do more depraved acts than their American colleagues. I love just as many Eastern European girls as I do American girls. Eastern Europe did give us Sandra Romain after all. Probably the most intense and professional pornstar in history, in my opinion. The woman never did a scene in which she didn't give 100% everytime. New girls I've seen lately such as Bonny Bon, Britney, Gabriella Mai and Nika Noire are all great performers who throw themselves into their work. Nothing says romance like anal sex.
I agree with you. Most european porn flics are cold, both in person and location and sometimes even ugly in some kind. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about the producer or director. Remember girls like Monica Sweetheart or recently Kacey Jordan, those girls had some of the ugliest scenes in european based productions while they were all glam and wonderful in porn made in US. Another point is the setting, it's always reduced to the minimum: the old St.Petersburg couch, Franco Roccaforte with two girls, lights, camera, action and it all starts in a heartbeat. That's not enough - for me, personally. Also - logical - it might have to do with language issues, so the girls naturally won't talk or moan while filming. This might cause them to look a bit coldish and distanced. Sorry, english's not my language. Tried to explain but failed.
I think the language barrier is a big problem. If the girl speaks Czech and the director speaks English then it's not suprising that the girl is not sure what she is "supposed" to do next. European product tends to be more rough then American porn. It just comes down to the director and also the intentions of the talent. Male or female, if you don't want to be there then go home the market is saturated enough."Beauty" should never be mistaken for sexual prowess.
Sandra Romain is a perfect example of how those east european actresses should act. It looks like she is really into the action and she takes initiative in stead of waiting for the next kama sutra position. A nice example of that it mostly has to do with the actresses that those movies don't sparkle is director Jay Sin. I have tried alot of Jay Sins Sineplex productions with european girls willing to do all kind of stuff... but it didn't do it for me. I was bored watching it. Now Jay Sin is directing with American girls for evil angel and he makes the hottest movies!!! The action is the same but the grils seem to enjoy all the nasty stuff.. and they take more initiative doing things.. they don't wait for the director
A good East European actress is great to watch. If you don't believe me watch Meridian one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. The trouble is they don't get to work with good directors much. I would love to see some of them star in something directed by a Japanese director, preferably in a gokkun movie.
Personally I think the times are changing though. The "classic" Eastern European states like Czech, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria are all members of the EU now. The reason to hire talent from these countries was that they were usually fresh faces and shooting/wages was far less than in the US or Western Europe. But by joining the EU the standard of living will rise and so will the wages, the shooting costs will still be lower but actresses/actors will expect to be paid Western wages. That only leaves Russia, the Ukraine and maybe a few smaller countries as true Eastern European. All in all I agree with the OP, of course one shouldn´t put them all in the same pot, but you can easily recognize the difference between someone who actually enjoys his/her job and someone only doing it for the money. I just prefer professionals when it comes to porn, it´s like in professional sports. No one would pay to see me play basketball with my friend in the backyard, but people pay thousands of dollars for a front row sit in a Knicks/Lakers game. It´s the same when hiring inexperienced Eastern Europeans.
I can appreciate Eastern European women for their looks and for their good performances. Specifically, Sandra Shine is one of my all-time favorite women. But in the end, I prefer American performers. It's not complicated -- probably just because I am American and American performers are more likely to remind me of the women I encounter in my day-to-day. I just like that correlation.
I think that Eastern European women are often stunningly beautiful and that they often perform listlessly. More worrisome is that if you see a great Eastern European woman, it is less likely that she's going to end up with as many titles to her credit as an American girl. One of the great pleasures of pr0n is being able to watch a woman develop from her initial efforts to the full realization of her sexual prowess. I miss Alexandra Nice. She set a high standard for Eastern Europeans.
Seeing this thread gave me a real strong sense of deja-vu, it's eerily similar to the only other thread in which I've posted before. Anyway, I really think most of the complaints about the East Euro girls mentioned here are more about the directors than the performers. Looking into the camera for example is something chosen by the director, not the fault of the girls. I love the East European girls, but I don't like Cineplex, Devil's films and most others companies who shoot mostly with them since their directors and crews usually do a terrible job IMO. Very often the same girls look way more enthuasistic (without being over the top) and enjoying themselves in the movies of Toni Ribas, for example, or when they go to the US and work with the top directors and performers there. Get them in a scene with Mark Ashley shot by Mike Quasar or Pat Myne for example and I am sure plenty of them would do great. Quite a few still would give a mediocre scene at best, but it's the same situation with the American girls. edited link for screen width reasons... Edited by - heynow on 8/31/2008 12:34:59 PM