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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 2:36PM
Based on several recent threads here I'm starting to wonder if my definition of gonzo is out-dated or was just wrong from the start. I've always thought that gonzo porn was a style where the director acknowledged the cast or is acknowledged in the film, for instance much of John Stagliano's work where he talks to the participants in the scene and the viewer. Thus differentiating this style from feature, all sex, vignettes and amateur style adult films.
Several recent threads here seem to indicate that gonzo is now just boundary pushing adult films with circus acts and the like and that gonzo can't exist without them. I always thought that the harder edged porn (circus acts, boundary pushing, etc) was a separate factor from just a gonzo film and could exists in any genre of adult films. Is my definition of gonzo off the mark now. This post isn't being made to offend anyone or put down anyone's likes or dislikes, I'm just curious so that I can continue to use the correct terminology in my reviews.

Edited since my spelling blows chunks.

Edited by - flash on Apr 25 2004

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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 2:46PM
I would say gonzo is distinguished by three features:
1) the director and/or cast acknowledge the presence of the camera,
2) no plot is involved (though a brief 'setup skit' may be used) and
3) in keeping with #2, the scenes have no relation to each other.

I would not agree that gonzo is defined by the sex acts involved.

cv
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 3:04PM
Tricia Devereaux's definition (part of this site's Porn Dicktionary):

"Gonzo can take on several different forms. It can vary from the cameraman (in adult, very often the director) interviewing the actors, or participating in the scene with dialogue and/or sex. It can also mean that the actors are simply acknowledging the fact that there is a camera shooting what they are doing. So, although in adult gonzo, the cameraman is usually somehow visible or audible, simply the actors playing to the camera constitutes a gonzo scene."

YogaGrrl
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 3:18PM
I haven't changed my definition over time; I still use the word according to its original meaning and not in reference to boundary-pushing sex acts. My favorite gonzo series is Sex Across America, which is produced by Adam & Eve and Fallen Angel and is not very circusy at all.

On a distantly related tangent, many people (including myself) also misuse the word "monogamous." Look it up in Webster's, for example, and you'll see that it has nothing to do with a sexually exclusive relationship but simply refers to having only one marriage partner at a time. So technically, if the partners in an open marriage take other lovers but don't marry them, they're still monogamous. Likewise, technically, unmarried partners can't be monogamous even if they have no other sexual partners.

Isn't it weird how language comes to mean something completely different from what was originally intended?

TonyC
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 4:00PM
From m-w.com

Monogamous:

3 : the condition or practice of having a single mate during a period of time <monogamy is common among birds>

I think the source of the seeming incompleteness of the other definitions is the rather (willfully) naive notion that sex does take place outside of marriage. I don't think anyone need fear looking foolish by using monogamous to mean sexually exclusive.

RE: Gonzo

While eye contact between subject and camera has long been used in still pornography, looking directly into the lens is mostly considered extreme corrosive to the conceit that the camera is an invisible observer of the events transpiring before it. Extras that make the mistake of looking into the camera during a take are (usually) terminated with extreme prejudice.

The genius of gonzo was the (re)discovery that the "fourth wall" need not be maintained to give the viewer a satisfying voyeristic/masterbatory experience (I say rediscovered because there is a world of old B/W loops that were doing this long before the Golden Age of Porn, let alone Gonzo,) and that in fact, the disruption of this traditional boundry between audience/camera could be the source of intense eroticism.

Shedding the conceit of the invisible camera/observer is a powerful technique. It relieves the director of all sorts of obligations, and excuses a world of bobbles and gaffs that would be utterly unacceptable in a traditional narrative filmmaking style. As compared to "Hollywood-style", it is less hungry for production resources by many orders of magnitute, and as such is well suited for the ultra-low budget world that porn inhabits (what is considered a big porn budget would be considered laughably low in the world of labor of love independent filmmaking.)

Unfortunately, needing less money to execute convincingly is not the same as needing less thought, and more often than not "breaking the fourth wall" is as much a result of a filmmakers lack of talent as it is his lack of budget.

-T.C.

 
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 4:10PM
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TonyC
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 4:16PM
Differenciating?

-T.C.

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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 4:43PM
thanks Tony
TonyC
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 5:19PM
Only it turns out it's spelled d i f f e r e n t i a t i n g

That's okay. I knew what you meant.

-T.C.

YogaGrrl
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 5:51PM
Hey, thanks TonyC for the reference! Believe it or not, I almost always still look up things the old-fashioned way, in my handy-dandy Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, copyright 1986. I double checked, and it does have just the first two definitions (the ones that refer to only to marriage) and not the third one.

Apparently, the word really has evolved over the past 18 years, and I really need to buy a new dictionary.

TonyC
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 6:00PM
How do you think I figured out how to spell differentiating?

My biggest problem is my spelling is soooo bad often times spell-checkers and online dictionaries can't even figure out what I'm trying to spell

-T.C.

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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 6:39PM
I don't need a dictionary, I have Tony . On the old version of WordPerfect I used to use I crashed the spell checker all the time. I think that means my spelling is really bad.
DenverDon
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 6:43PM
Crapola!

Now ya'll made me pull out my (paper) copy of Merriam-Webster and mine is older than YogaGrrl's, and it has the same shortfalling. Guess it's time for me to update my dictionary.

DenverDon

Edited by - DenverDon on 4/25/2004 6:43:37 PM

cobalt60
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 7:58PM
Loraine
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 8:46PM


A useful dictionary search tool that also includes a reverse dictionary where you type in the concept and generate words.

A dictionary of slang with some cute definitions of gonzo amongst other things.


An aside on the evolution of words

3000 new words entered the latest edition of the Oxford Dictionary of English including polyamory

"the practice of engaging in multiple sexual relationships with the knowledge and consent of all the people involved"

The word was coined in 1992 by the polyamory usenet-newsgroup.

It's interesting how popular culture creates and influences language development. Kind of makes me wonder when we'll see some of those delicious position descriptions ala "Reverse Cowgirl" in the Oxford Dictionary of English?

 
davecummings
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 9:04PM
Well said, and closely matches my Sugardaddy, Sex Fun, and Knee Pad Nymphos series; it also matches the definition of "Gonzo" that I opine to students in my Learning Annex classes on "How to Make Adult Films" course.

Dave Cummings

cobalt60
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Posted - Apr 25 2004 : 10:37PM
I thought he was some kind of parrot/chicken thing. Haven't we had this conversation before?
JackPoint
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Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 3:48PM
When the precise definition of gonzo porn is endlessly argued yet again, I like to remind people that it was Mark Kernes of AVN, who, in tribute to Hunter S. Thompson, the original gonzo journalist, coined the term in reference to porn.

BTW, if you want a reason to kill yourself, go ask Jim Holliday what a double penetration is and isn't.

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Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 11:08PM
Thanks for the trivia Jack. It's always great to learn where terms come from.
Elegant Angel
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Posted - May 1 2004 : 9:05AM
The specifics might be constantly evolving, and our interpretations diverse, but isn't the central theme to Gonzo always trying to create, as potently as possible, the sense in the viewer that he/she is actually there.

Now, there are many different ways to do that, vignette scenarios, interaction from behind the camera etc, or a minimalist, simpler approach like RLD, but it all lends itself to the concept of heightening the voyeuristic thrill of the viewer.

Diceman
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Posted - May 3 2004 : 10:13PM
hardball
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Posted - May 4 2004 : 4:14AM
How long does it take to film a scene?
Does feature take longer to film a scene then a gonzo?
The sex part.



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