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Daniel Leslie Metcalf
Public Relations

Los Angeles CA
70 Posts
12/00
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 2:18PM
Hello all!

Simply put, what do you like to see in gonzo movies?

I'd like to know what elements, in your opinion, can make great gonzo stand out from the rest of all-sex product in the marketplace.

And, at the same time, what elements can ruin an otherwise good gonzo movie.

Thanks,
Daniel Metcalf
Wicked Pictures

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 2:38PM
I don't care about how big her boobs are, how big his dick is, or how how many holes get filled how many ways. The only thing I care about is this:

When I press play I want to be able to forget that the only reason the people on the screen are fucking and sucking is because they're getting paid. I want the pornographer to use every trick at his disposal to fool me into thinking "Wow, they are having the kind of sex I only can dream about, and they're really getting off on it!"

Creating this illusion is like baking a souffle, and a thousand little things can creep in and cause the souffle to fall: cast appearence and attitude, production gaffs, sloppy post, just for for starters. And when the illusion is broken my mind starts to ponder all sorts of dark question that I really don't want to know the answers to.

But when it works, man oh man oh man is it good! It's better than going to an orgy. You get to see all that humping and bumping without worrying about the hot chick that won't fuck you, or the ugly one that insists.

T.C.

aybesea
Senior Member

Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie!
1485 Posts
5/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 3:09PM
Incredibly beautiful girls (think Private or Dorcel), wearing very sexy attire and attractive makeup, doing incredibly depraved acts of filth. What's not to like?
bono-ONE All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

SAMCRO
8570 Posts
8/00
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 3:17PM
I think Tony has a good thought going! I want passion and energy from the performers, I love a sensual look from the girl as she stuffs the cock or cocks in her mouth, slow licks around the head and deep throating if possible. I love seeing Reverse Cowgirl in any scene especially gonzo! Basically if the girl is really passionate about what she's doing I can watch just about anything!!
Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 3:51PM
Oh, great, now WICKED wants to enter the crowded gonzo arena?

First of all, and I think I speak for a large portion of the
"raincoat" audience - Wicked's condom-only policy is
going to be a detriment right off the bat. Remember, you're entering a highly competitive field, Daniel, the
market you're trying to reach is going to resist any attempt by Wicked doing gonzo as you're primarily known for high-end features and the rubber thing will
tune 'em out quick. No matter how much spin AVN and others put out about condoms not affecting sales, you know as well as I do it DOES. Otherwise, why is Wicked going after this market? Unless you're willing
to rescind this policy, expect a lot of resistance.

My secret to making great gonzo is surprisingly simple -
Good-looking performers who REALLY want to fuck each other being as nasty as they want to be. Cambria List be damned, let people do their thing.

You don't need expensive cameras, a lighting crew, etc.
In fact, I've found I get much better results sexually when there's not a lot of people standing around, the
performers are a lot more willing to go that extra mile when the setting is intimate. My crew consists of me, a still guy, and a behind the scenes videographer. PERIOD.

Good luck, but remember, in this area WE (Evolution, PXP, RLD, Evil, etc.) are the "big boys." If you're going to play in our field, you're gonna have to get DIRTY!!!

 
DreamWeaver
Member

288 Posts
10/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 3:54PM
Elements that make great gonzo:

- Attractive Women. If the women aren't pretty, I don't want to watch it.

- Good lighting, settings, and most definitely, great camera work.

- Energetic, passionate and emotional sex. Nothing robotic or vanilla. Various positions.

- Sexy attire and the cast is done up well with make-up, hairstyling, etc. There's nothing worse then talent looking as though they've been partying all night.

- Not quite as important, but above average size male talent. Some may disagree here that it doesn't matter, but lets be real - I doubt many would want to see someone like Sandra Romain being fucked with a 5" dick.

DreamWeaver
Member

288 Posts
10/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 4:08PM
Tom, how audacious of you to label yourself as one of the "big boys". Considering the recent birth of EE with only six(?) titls out.
Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 4:25PM
I guess I was thinking more of myself as one of the "big boys", having done this gonzo-thang going on 8 years.

Trust me, though - Evolution as a company will be a bigger boy real soon, mark my words!!!

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 4:26PM
Easy there Tom. No need to give away trade secrets!

-T.C.

Hardware All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

Your other left
14594 Posts
3/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 6:43PM
First of all, I agree with TonyC, and listen to Tom; the man's a master. However, that's just getting you to great gonzo. It seems to me that if you want to get beyond that then you need to start thinking erotica. Bear in mind that I'm not suggesting the people having hot sex should take a back seat to the setting, or that they be subjugated to some 'erotic vision.' On the contrary. What I'm suggesting is that the setting can be used to maximize the erotic nature of that hot sex. Look at Kaitlyn Ashley's scene in Hotel Sodom 6. The lighting and the green bedspread give her skin a golden glow that's irresistible. Would the scene have been the same feast for the eyes shot on a white bed under natural light? No, it would have looked and felt entirely different. So, don't just accept the environment, use it, mold it to be the perfect setting for that hot sex. Just remember that it's the hot sex that's the jewel in the crown, not the other way around.

Aybesea is heading in the direction of erotica when he calls for sexy attire and attractive makeup. Well, keep on going down that road. For example, leaving some clothing on can say a lot about how anxious the performers are to get into each other. Likewise, throw away the sex acts list. There's nothing worse than stopping great action because 'it's time for the insert sex act here .

But, here's the thing. If you don't know the difference between hot sex and erotica, then don't even try it. Superimposing flames on the backdrop doesn't suggest hot sex, it just suggests the editor is a dumbass.

PS - Just a reminder - hot sex happens between people, not body parts.

ICEFLOE5948
Member

147 Posts
12/02
Posted - Oct 6 2003 : 11:29PM
Just though I'd cast another vote for Tony's point of view. He nailed it again.

And Hardware extrapolated brilliantly also.

EagleSpirit
Member

Somewhere Doing Something Stupid
439 Posts
7/03
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 12:06AM
It has been my experience that renters and buyers graduate into Gonzo. I am curious as to how many fans started out watching "gonzo"?

As a prior retailer I watched the gonzo trend grow to be the number one category of sales and rentals.
This trend went from features to amateurs, then to gonzo. Consumers wanted to see hardcore sex but the features lacked that and amateur films were something different. More and more directors broke off from feature companies and started filming Pro-Ams. Aside from John Stagliano I think that Ed Powers and Randy West are also pioneers of Gonzo. When Extreme Associates started there was a HUGE change in trend. Tom Byrons work was by far the most popular for Extreme (from my own personal experience). But before I get too far off of the subject of what makes Gonzo good I would say that good lighting and hardcore sex. Nobody wants to watch a lame ass plot with mediocre sex. So after years of experimenting with different videos the seasoned porn viewer finds a director that he/she likes and sticks with them to the end rather than wasting time and money watching "lame" films. Comps lacked the realism of real sex and therefore the consumer found what he/she was looking for in Gonzo. I did forget to mention that Seymoure Butts was my personal favorite and original pioneer of Gonzo. His older films really made it feel real. I think everybody fantasized about meeting a girl like Shane and then Alisha Klass made hardcore acceptable. To you Seymoure I applaud you.

Skeeter Kerkove
Member

967 Posts
2/03
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 3:32AM
Daniel, welcome! It is more then time for Wicked to expand!
First off, release the scene that Bridgette Kerkove did for you guys over 2 years ago, Bridgette did D.P. and Double anal with Lexington Steel, Mark Anthony and Byron Long.
The kind of Scenes your contract girl did with Max Hardcore, Tom Byron and Rob Black, those were good scenes, some of the craziest ever. However, Joy King would just like to pretend they never occured. Seeing Stephanie Swift lick Ron Jeremys asshole is priceless. Seeing her french kiss Max Hardcore had a Wicked Feature feel to it.
Have Sydnee Steel do more interracial. She did a scene with Lex for Vivid and one with Valentino for Adam and Eve.
Some of your contract girls have done extremely nast scenes before they were Wicked girls, I mean real, real nasty.
Do not hire people just because they are friends, no more good ol' boy stuff. Heidi will second me on that one, however you already know that.
While I was talking to your Wicked Contract girl Stormy today, she was surprised at the some of the ultra-hardcore scenes some of her fellow sisters of Wicked had done.
It doesn't clean up, it doesn't go away, it is something to be proud of.
Hire the best people, hire people who truly love what they do! Who live and breathe porn. No yahoos who just care about the money. Shoot, some of the people in your circle, if you could film what they do in their private life, it would be some of the best Gonzo around.
The last movie Bridgette did for you guys is an Editors choice this month and Bridgette gets 3 pre-noms from it.
Why, because she was ultra-nasty and passionate. Her acting was perfect, for the part she played. What Bridgette did with that champagne bottle in that feature, is nasty enough for any gonzo. Bridgette always appreciated working for you guys, she was hired because she always got the job done without drama.
Pay well! Pay the girls real good in Gonzo. You will get a much better scene. Do not use cry baby guys who whine and complain. Never, ever use guys who have wood problems.
Do not use guys with drug problems. No big crews, it is a complete waste of money, it slows things down tremendously.
Do not have the performers waiting around forever.
On Brads Dreamquest, poor Bridgette was on the set for 24 straight hours, her sex scene began at 5:30 a.m., it was 37 degrees outside, she was naked and cold. Her bonus pay for that was "Zero"! As a matter of fact her check was for 2 hundred dollars less then it was suppose to be.
Never let something like that happend on a gonzo set. If the girls go thru hell, Big Steve O. will have no problem paying them extra so they can feel good about what they just did.
Obviously no condoms and no Wicked feature directors, directing hardcore Gonzo, Joy got them trained to frown upon it. Get Gonzo directors who love hardcore sex as much as Joy wants porn to be accepted by mainstream.
There is always room for top notch new product! David Sturman and Dion will tell you that. So will Steves buddy Greg Alves.
Godd Luck!
Skeeter Kerkove "King of Sodom" Porn producer, director, performer. I am a huge fan of hardcore porn and I love all of the women in porn. "God Bless Pornography" A womans ass is a beautiful thing" Woman rule!
SyberScott
Senior Member

1462 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 4:09AM
The Director & the participants make for Great Gonzo!

Every studio gets & uses the same talent...what
matters is, what the director does with them!

That's why I like studios like Red Light District,
Platinum X Pictures, & Evil Angel the most cause
they seem to get the most out of the girls when they
are shooting their scenes.


Jules_Jordan_Saviour
Member

Adelaide,Australia
81 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 5:56AM
what stands out my in gonzo, is decent starlets ( and yes that includes starlets with the girl next door look because they are made for gonzo), decent costume, sense of reality, and decent camera work, eg close up of the girls face looking straight into the camera as she is being done in reverse cowgirl, and also closeup of pussy or ass being fucked while keeping the girls face within frame and lots of enthusiam.
bad things include too much cheesy and unrealistic dialogue.
bad camera work eg too many stagnant or long shots are held for too long. i like a roving camera.

if you want decent gonzo just check out my user name

 
Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 4:25PM
Daniel, do not do what everybody is doing in gonzo. make something different. You have the money, dress those girls with Clasic clothing. Lingerie, stockings, high heels (stilletos) ..do not make the girls look like hookers (I already know they are sluts, just do not remind me that fact) ...if you need a hint of what I mean about <Clasic> see Dorcel videos. ...Then add all the anal, dp, dpps you can get away with ..again if you need a hint of what I'm talking about see Anabolic videos. ....Eureka!!! I got it....just mix Dorcel with Anabolic!! no need to say more. ...oh yes before I forgot, feel free to add some "people having fun" ..what ever the hell that means ....although the only way you can convince me of that is if you tell me those girls are fucking for free
EagleSpirit
Member

Somewhere Doing Something Stupid
439 Posts
7/03
Posted - Oct 8 2003 : 3:27AM
Wally had mentioned that unless you can convince him the girls are working for free or something like that. Well they damn near are, compare the going rate for a GB to getting a legitimate hooker in Nevada!!!!
IR_Lover
Member

7 Posts
9/03
Posted - Oct 8 2003 : 3:43AM
A 1 on 1 scene, one man and one woman.
A lot of passionate open mouthed french kissing.
She sucks and licks his balls during oral.
The sex is bareback, no condoms.
No anal.
Passionate, hot sex with at least one position being missionary.
The cum shot is on the woman's face or in her mouth.
The man is black with a huge dick and the woman is white and gorgeous.



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