They also do sites like tonyscastingcouch.com, boygirlbang.com, and so on. I don't get it why a successful internet porn company like them need do do something like that.
I'm not clicking on that link, but I'm curious what kind of sex it is? I remember a porn movie from the early 80s, that featured several women in ww2 uniforms, and if my memory is correct, it even had the hedgehog himself.
Well, it's skinheads fucking black girls, including that the guys doing the... I don't know what "Hitlergruss" is in english, I'd say "Hitler salute", and so on! Plus the site links to the KKK website and several other Nazi/White Power sites
Yeah, it's really bad but I wonder why the black girls choose to work for this website? Are they that desperate for money?
I don't think this site will survive that long.
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nietzsche Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 13 2004 : 12:43PM
Oh please. I found it more amusing than anything, in a sick humor sort of way. Wouldn't it be funny if it we found out it were run by some Jewish guys?
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mefisto66 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 13 2004 : 1:19PM
I think that just an idiot would pay to see skinheads fucking black girls, because i cant believe that to see a nazi fucking a black girl can be a turn on to someone. And if the company think that is some kind of black humor, they have very bad taste in humor. There are always some guys that think that to use something polemic will make them to win more money but i think they are wrong. I dont think that will last so long either, anyway if you click in any link on the page (members, mission, join, etc..) you will see that it say "page cant be found" or something like that.
Well if it's skin heads fucking black girls, while they make insulting remarks, then it's pretty much the exact opposite of this .
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AlexPanzer Deactivated User
1593 Posts 6/03
Posted - Jan 13 2004 : 2:58PM
Well, all I can say is this, even I am personaly offended by this site, Ive never been ofended before and now I am. I think that that site is very wrong, porn is porn and is good but promoting racing AND using porn to do so is simply wrong. This website should be reported, it is illegal. Personaly I like WWII stuff, and tanks but racism is not good.
Wait... wait... Not that I'm condoning it, mind you...
But what's illegal about it, again?
Free speech is free speech, Alex--whether it's Vivid Video, fake rape, or some stupid ass white supremecist porn.
We don't have to like it--but we do kind of have to take the good with the bad.
The saddest part of it all is that when it came right down to it, this crazy crap is probably more defensable a form of free speech than straight rough edged gonzo porn is.
I don't like it either... and boycott all you like, but to me it just crosses the line into utter absurdity and isn't worth the fuss. And the last thing we want is a law to be passed that tries to regulate what we can and can't say.
An old argument perhaps, but one that bears repeating every now and again. Where's Guy Capo when you need him? :)
As European I cannot understand why any site having links to sites openly propagating racial hatred and hate crimes is legal.
It's not the skins fucking ebony girls, maybe subdueing them in a role play, but the links of that site, I find problematic. The porn depicted is pure phantasy, those associations the (non-porn) links go to not at all.
You said that perfectly MLyons. Your exactly right. It's not illegal, and honestly people who think it should be banned or shutdown, are only helping the anti porn people.
Alex, If you feel strongly enough about that to want it shut down, then imagine how the anti porn activists feel about some of the stuff you like. I believe you said on another thread, that "Fake rape is cool" and that's fine, I dont mind it myself in the right kind of chemistry setting. However to many people that is far worse than skin heads fucking black girls. And is banned and illegal in places.
My point is, you cant have it both ways, if you like and want certain things of a potentially disturbing matter around, then you have to accept other potentially disturbing matter that other people like.
Porn has enough critics and people trying to shut it all down, and the last thing it needs is it's fans reporting and getting sites and material shut down. As Mlyons said, free speech is free speech, and if you dont like fine, as I dont like the naziniggers either, but just dont watch it, and accept it's just part of the show.
Please people think about the big picture, before you speak, and take action about something thats just gonna end up hurting us all.
Sorry for the rant, but it angers me to see people fail to see that people are entitled to thier form of expression popular or not.
Ah... and that's just the irony!! The sites that this place is linking to are in a much better position to defend themselves on the free speech doctrine in the United States than the site itself is! And in turn, because of the political undertones of their content, naziniggers would probably have a much easier time defending themselves in court than Rob Black and Lizzy Borden will for Forced Entry.
Like I said... good with the bad. Who's to decide what's ok? Me? You? Alex? It's a slippery slope. Just to be clear--to me... this site ISN'T ok, but I recognize their right to say and use whatever juxtapositions they like, because _I_ have the right to say what I like in return. Luckily--in this particular case, I happen to belong to the majority--but that's certainly not the case all the time.
No difference, impirically. It's the pregnant socio-historical factors and associations that make this kind of thing more of a hot potato--a fear that history will repeat itself. A perception of a lack of respect for those who have been persecuted in the past. Are these factors important--absolutely!! Are they reason enough to censor one kind of idea over its polar opposite? Nah.
Ahhh... and I never meant to imply that it isn't. :)
I only talk of laws... of governments... of the blanket censorship of ideas. If you want to talk about how the precepts of free speech apply to decency, fairness, peace, and morals... well that's another discussion altogether.
You are correct though. All forms of freedom come at a price.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Jan 13 2004 : 4:30PM
Not what I am hinting at, Mike. Remember, I am playing the devil's advocate here. Not for long though, because it is no fun, really. And I try to stay away from what your quote says below. (Don't you love coincidences
MLyons said: "I'll try to keep this short, but probably won't be successful." (Hey Walter, are you sure that isn't one of your own quotes?)
There is something in common between this nazi website and the Forced Entry film. Both make references to real criminals - Hitler on the one hand, and the serial rapist/murderer Richard Ramirez on the other. In this respect, neither the website nor the film is operating in the realms of fantasy or entertainment, unlike the vast amount of porn that is out there to enjoy. No wonder people have strong reactions to these works.
I do have a question for those of you from Germany, or near by. It's been my understanding that the depiction in public of either Hitler, or the Swastika, or other references to the Third Reich, has to be done in a responsible way. People can't just run around shouting "Heil Hitler" or wearing a swastika in public, or making a joke out of war crimes, and so on. Is this the case, or am I misinformed?
Yes Renee, you are absolutely right. In Germany you can (and probably will) get arrested if you walk around and scream "Heil Hitler". Wearing/depicting a swastika or other third reich symbols in public is also forbidden. OK, you won't end up in jail for that - for example some political groups that are associated with the Neo-Nazi scene are still allowed to do their demonstrations, before people start again that everything is so restricted in Europe. But internet sites like naziniggers are CLEARLY illegal over here and if you put a site like that online you will end up in jail. The BND (kinda like CIA in Germany - but not as powerful) and other German authorities are also fighting Neo-Nazi propaganda in the net, most of the sites are located in the US - but except a few exceptions they didn't have many success afaik.
The freedom of speech in the US maybe a good thing in some cases - but it's also used by racists and other groups to put up sites like the ones that you could find links to at naziniggers.
And there is actually a big difference between the usual black guy/white girl and vise versa stuff and this. This site propagates hate and violence against black people and uses porn as an excuse. This is (or was as it seems now) not your typical type of reality porn.
And btw - Germany is not the only country where stuff like this is illegal. It's not allowed in many European countries.
That site seems to be down so I didn't see the content, but I wonder why some people are offended to see white, in this case skin heads, fuck black girls, but it's ok to see black guys fuck white girls making all sort of racial remarks. Personally I couldn't care less about the color of skin in either case. But in both cases racial comments are offensive.
This is clearly a controversial topic but I have to agree with those who draw analogies with the numerous white girl/black guys’ gangbang tapes. I can only assume that the black girls appearing in the Nazi style tapes are doing so of their own free will and are being financially rewarded. It also seems that this material may well be a wind up. The Nazi sites that are linked to are all united in their absolute condemnation of porn believing that such filth should be banned, I also struggle to comprehend how any die hard racist would be aroused by inter racial sex no matter what the context. In Nazi land inter racial sex is roundly condemned, and the ending of all race mixing is one of the main tenants of Nazism.
It would appear that these are simply role play films for those who may be aroused by the introduction of a racial element with violent undertones, no doubt designed to appal to a similar type of people as those who like seeing white girls having rough sex at the hands of black men. One is universally available, the other flatly condemned which stinks of hypocrisy.
I'm sure the site was taken down because it went way way too far!
Btw, this was not just some role-playing website, one of the skinhead who was fucking a black girl had a big swastika tattoo on his chest and it was not a fake one.
The site was taken down, that should tell you something about the difference between this site and an normal interracial serie. Naziniggers was not about sex between white guys and black girls, it was a site about hate, hate towards black people and jews and such things cannot be tolerated.
The brief amount of time this site was up clearly suggests that this was not a commercial endeavour and that alongside my previous comments regarding nazism only serves to increase my suspicion that this was a wind up designed to provoke the sort of response above. I think we are a long way from a time when Neo Nazi organisations use porn to advance their worldview. The response from some European contributors is somewhat understandable with the history of Nazism but in terms of world evils this is very low on the scale. I also fail to see how in modern times this is any worse than the numerous tapes which show white girls having rough sex with black men while being racially insulted.
Secrets Shared By Two - review by Captain Jack
Posted - Jan 13 2004 : 11:26AM
