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Profeus
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Posted - Apr 14 2006 : 7:59PM
What videocamera does Jules Jordan use for his gonzo films? Is it the Sony hdr fx1?
croy
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Posted - Apr 14 2006 : 9:55PM
It's not the shoes
Profeus
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Posted - Apr 15 2006 : 12:04AM
okay never mind.........
snowman872
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Posted - Apr 15 2006 : 1:05AM
You could get good results from many videocameras ... it's not the camera so much as the person using it IMHO.

Same with still photography.

-- Snowman

yyyyYYYYYYyyyy
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Posted - Apr 16 2006 : 10:37AM
Sometimes a shoe cam is the only way to go.
 
croy
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Posted - Apr 16 2006 : 9:24PM
And I do like the upskirt view.
I just didn't feel like using as many words as snowman
snowman872
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Posted - Apr 17 2006 : 3:07AM
I honestly didn't understand it! Did you mean, "it's not the shoes, it's the runner?"

-- Snowman

croy
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Posted - Apr 17 2006 : 5:30AM
Its an old Nike commercial, the old Mars Blackmen ones.
Spike Lee is Mars, trying to figure out how Michael Jordan can play like he does and soar. Remember the silhoette logo?
Anyways, there are parts where Jordan tells Mars "Its not the shoes."

Point being that you can get all the equiptment you want, that still doesn't put you over the top. Talent and work does.

Or, "its not the camera so much as the person using it IMHO".

See? I ended up using a bunch of words anyways.

snowman872
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Posted - Apr 17 2006 : 6:09AM
Ahhhh ... I may have seen that commercial, but I don't remember it. I don't watch that much TV and tend to tune out the commericals when I do. I record a lot of stuff and watch it later, zipping past the ads.

I appreciate your attempt at brevity however!

-- Snowman

croy
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Posted - Apr 17 2006 : 9:55PM
It was a while ago, like in the late '80s.
They (Nike) actually recently asked Spike Lee to reprise his role.
GaySatyr
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Posted - Apr 18 2006 : 12:57AM
Okay, okay. Now that we've all asked the Pulitzer-prize-winning author what brand of pen/pencil/typewriter/word-processor he uses, can we get back to the question?

It's quite possible that the OP was simply intrigued by some aspect of the image or rendition in a JJ video and wondered what tool(s) were used in its creation. Such a question does not explicitly rule out that JJ might bring significant talent and understanding of both his equipment and his subject(s) to the table.

So, what video camera DOES JJ use?

~ GaySatyr (ABB)

snowman872
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Posted - Apr 18 2006 : 6:37PM
It may not be just one camera. Also, he may have used different cameras on different movies. This seems likely since he has been shooting for a number of years now.

Perhaps Profeus can clarify if he was interested in a certain look or style he saw on a particular Jules disc.

Also, Jules is popping up a lot as male talent in his movies. If he's participating in the action, he's not shooting anything. What we are seeing is the shooters' eye and understanding of the camera.

-- Snowman

Edited by - snowman872 on 4/18/2006 6:38:35 PM

croy
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Posted - Apr 18 2006 : 10:09PM
You're right, I just figured somebody would ask how to get a specific effect instead.
Technology being roughly on the same level, is there really an effect that can be achieved exclusively through one make and model?
I am actually curious. I have been playing with digital photography and (were it not for other hobbies and needs) would have gotten a better camera for better
1.) Manual Focusing
2.) Magnification
3.) Color fidelity
After figuring out which bells and whistles are needed.
snowman872
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Posted - Apr 21 2006 : 4:38AM
I don't think there's any doubt you get a lot for your money these days. A relatively cheaper camera in the $700-1200 range can produce very good results.

Here is what you get with a higher priced camera:

Ability to change lens (sometimes)
Better optics (lens quality)
Better low light capability (can be important)
More input jacks for things like an external microphone
Better image processing (bigger sensors, 3 chip design)
Ability to shoot manually and adjust frame rate, shutter speed, focus (but auto works pretty darn good these days)
Better build quality
Works with more accessories
Optical image stabilization (important)

-- Snowman


Cumwhipper
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Posted - Apr 21 2006 : 9:11AM
Dude! Your parenthetical "important" is perhaps the biggest understatement I've ever read on these boards. Can someone please fly a gigantic banner over the homes of John Leslie, Brother Love, and about a half-dozen other JJ-wannabees and let them know that a jiggling, constantly-moving camera is NOT the mark of stylistic genius, but merely annoying and even nausea-inducing! ESPECIALLY during a porn scene!

Thanks.

 
snowman872
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Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 9:46AM
I agree a shaky camera is something that should be avoided whenever possible. I also agree that optical image stabilzation is a key feature, but I didn't think it was necessary to highlight this too much because cheaper models usually have electronic image stablization which also can work well. Now that cameras are getting bigger sensors and more pixels, the gap between the two is less.

I haven't really noticed a jiggle problem in John Leslie's movies and haven't seen anything shot by Brother Love yet. I'm surprised you mention Leslie, he's been doing this a long time.

It's challenging to hold the camera steady all the time, especially when you are moving around the action and trying to find good angles. Also, if there's a lot of shooting that day, fatigue sets in. I found the OIS system in my Sony vx-2100 masked a lot of shaking.

From your post, it sort of sounds like you don't want the camera moving around much at all?

-- Snowman

Cumwhipper
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Posted - Apr 22 2006 : 11:18AM
snowman - Movement is fine, if it's purposeful. Aimless movement, or moving away when you've got an almost perfect shot in frame is what really gets me. Jerky, constantly-moving images are just beyond the pale, though.

In general, I tend to like the camera to linger when it "sees" a good shot. As mentioned earlier, this is a skill that may not be easily taught, and perhaps is just instinctual. Jules Jordan's got it (and his alternate guy, Yani, I think). Jake Malone's got it. Mike John's got it. Quase has got it. There are many others. Sal Genoa and David Luger, on the other hand, are perfect examples of the exact opposite "approach". They'll move around helter-skelter, and when they find a great angle or shot, they'll move off it or pull back right when I'm about to say "Yes!". I usually end up yelling "Nooooooooooooo!". LOL

As far as John Leslie goes, I reached the boiling point on him after watching "Naomi. There is Only One". Every single thing about his style that bugs me was in full display in this movie. And with Naomi, the subject of the movie, being horribly under-exploited, I finally reached meltdown. LOL. See my rant here.

By the way, snowman, your comments and observations are very much appreciated here!

snowman872
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Posted - Apr 27 2006 : 1:16AM
I checked out your rant about Leslie and you certainly do seem frustrated with his style. I haven't seen the Nyomi movie, but others have told me it was great. You're the first who seems so unhappy with it.

About your steadycam comment, I don't know how practical that is for porn. It might work for "Cops" running down the street, but shooting porn requires moving around a tight area at a close range, often from a low angle or above the action.

Thanks for the kind words!

-- Snowman

tricia_devereaux
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Posted - Apr 29 2006 : 8:47PM
The elusive answer to the question is:
Sony Z1.

And I agree with the original posters who said it's not necessarily the camera that matters.

But all in all, I think the Z1 is probably my favorite miniDV or HDV camera right now.

Cumwhipper
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Posted - Apr 29 2006 : 9:34PM
I'm probably talking out of my ass (wouldn't be the first time!), but I thought "steadicam" was a either an attachment or software package that could be added onto a camera that compensates for the "jiggling" or rapidly-moving images caused by the overly-rapid movements of the person holding the cam. Am I wrong?
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Apr 29 2006 : 10:31PM
With regards to Cumwhipper, I though a steadicam was a body harness that the cameraman would wear that holds a professional quality camera steady at a certain set level as the cameraman operating it moves around. I don't know how it works exactly. But it enables smooth movement of the camera where a crane or track would not fit. You can see the results of a steadicam in the Michael Myers POV opening of Halloween, or in Return of the Jedi, the environment of the speeder bike chase that was matched with the blue screen footage from the studio was shot with a steadicam at 2 frames a second. Or something like that. So when it was replayed at 24 frames a second it seemed both level and fast. Anyway, at least when the term steadicam was first coined, it meant a hardware apparatus and not some software package.
snowman872
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Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 9:21AM

Regarding Stedicam ... Yes, it is a accessory camera stabilization system. Here's how it works:

"The secret of the Steadicam JR's patented stabilization concept is in its ingenious system of weights and balances which places the center of gravity within its free-floating, inter-gimbaled handle assembly."

http://www.steadicam.com/handheldSteadicamJR.html

But, you can see from the photograph that it might unsuitable for shooting porn if you are the kind of shooter that likes to stay fluid and move around the action at close range.

There are some software solutions to help eliminate camera shake as well. I know a pretty popular one exists as a plug in for Adobe Premiere.

-- Snowman




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