This question was answered in an old thread dating back 2 years and Rutigar (old member) described it as:

"A raincoater is a movie that is purely good jerkoff material. The idea behind the name is that lonely guys in raincoats go into sleazy porno theaters and Jerkoff in the back row. They cum and they go. Usually a raincoater is a really hardcore flic, and you're right nobody's listening to any dialogue."

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And yes, there are lots of movies made with this in mind. It is usually the gonzo type, no plot, straight to the sex productions, like a lot of the Dia/Ana titles.

When plot interferes, the FF>> is used a lot.

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So this film is for wankers then!!

We don't have porno theatres in the UK, but I'm sure there would be many a "raincoater" in attendance...

Ok then, whats the social standing then, if you admit to being a raincoater???? with disdain or praise??? It's just that it seems that if you are a raincoater then you are treated with respect. Is this a true statement??

I mean, sure I watch hardcore filth on dvd on my own and jack off, but then I have a social life as well, and get laid fairly often. Am I a raincoater??? I'm not lonely hehe

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There used to be a slew of porn theaters in the Soho district of London. The movies weren’t the best, in fact you could get much harder porn by going to Germany, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, etc., but they DID have porn and porn theatres (sp), in London.

In the ‘old’ days, a raincoater would have been looked upon with disdain. He would have been a skulker and slinked into the porn theater hoping that no one would see him enter. It was perhaps the only form of release that this type of guy got.

Today, the definition is different, at least the way I understand it. Now it would simply be someone that wants the sex, only the sex, and nothing else – and in many/most cases the harder the sex the better. Fuck any plot that gets in the way of the sex! The older term of raincoater just happened to stick around and is applied more to the type of movie, rather than the person watching it.

Naw!, you’re not a raincoater if you have a social life and get laid!

DenverDon

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But I watch "plot" porn, you know to get some variety, sometimes, though I mostly watch hardcore-gonzo-raincoat-pleasing porn.

---BIGmike, over & out!---

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Before the raincoater bashing coaster gets up the speed it normally does, allow me to state that I am a proud raincoater and have been one from almost the first day that I started watching porn.

Some people like watching skinny chicks walk around in skimpy outfits and go out on a date before "making love" to their partner. Nothing wrong with that. Raincoaters like to see the skinny chick get anally probed with a nice thick penis and then at the restaurant have the waiter, valet, bus boy, dish washer, guys at the next table, and a few passersby in the parking lot cum in her mouth..... before dinner. I'm paying to see fucking....I want to see fucking. I love a good story, hot sex and good scenary....that's why I got married.

Boat Drinks!!!

RoccoFan

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Well if thats the case, then I watch Raincoater movies ie anal/gonzo sort of films when I'm in "wanker" mode. (which have to say is relatively often . But then as DeverDon says, I do get laid fairly regularily, so in this case I'm not .

As for porn theatres in London, shit I didn't know that...Now we just have strip shows and peep shows. Primarily quite crap, but there are a few which are worth checking out, like Sunset Strip and of course the American faithful Spearmint Rhino.

Thanks for clearing that up!! (and I don't mean my mess) ooo errr

SQUIDMONKEY

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Do I watch wanker movies? ... you betcha! when I'm in that mood which is on Mondays and Wednesdays ... ummm maybe that is Tuesdays and Thursdays depending what phase the moon is in!

It is a little bit sad that the porn theatres disappeared from Soho, but as you say they are gone.

Another decent Soho strip joint I thought was 'The Windmill', and there is another up-market one but I just can't remember the name of it at the moment.

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I assumed that you were from Denver being DenverDon... hahah

As for the windmill, I'm not sure if that is still going. I thought it had turned into a techno club.

I also haven't ventured into the Realms of the Raymomnd Revue Bar, but I'm sure I will in time.

SQUIDMONKEY

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And thanks. Raymond Revue Bar was the name that I couldn't think of. A bit pricey, but not a bad show.

DenverDon

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Aahhh I see!!! I must admit that I have never been to Colorado. I have only ever been to the East coast ie Florida and Boston (where I lived for 6 years). But I plan to make the trip over to the west coast, and maybe set up home there (for obvious reasons). The weather over here is too shit to mention!!!

Hahah the raymond revue bar is probably the most famous and oldest of the strip joints in London. But I thought it was more of a Cabaret type scenario....

SQUIDMONKEY

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re crappy weather, did you get your wellies muddy at Glastonbury?

DenverDon

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Your probably right... It is probably more of a classy strip than a cabaret, but when you look at the adverts on the back of his mags, theres always a line of beauties dressed up as if they were in a cabaret...

I'll check it out in time!!

As for Glasto, nar, I didn't bother this year, everytime I have been in the last 3 years, it's always been pissing down, so I didn't bother. Plus it was impossible to get over the fence this year as it was so high (20').

Great place to find the ladies though!! I remember about 10 years ago when I first went there was a hippy girl walking around offering free love, but to be honest I was too scared to take her up on the offer, being a respectable 18 year old.

Oh how things change in 10 years!!!

SQUIDMONKEY

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I did not start as a raincoater, but I became a proud one, too. I am paying to see fucking. And as a customer I want the girls to perform the acts I want to see. Luckily, currently I get a fair share of willing new faces on my porn plate.

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I might get my raincoater pass revoked for saying this, but I'm not as into DP and DAP as most. To me it is rare that directors can do these scenes "properly". I much prefer one-on-one hardcore action or gangbangs. Double anal normally has one large cock one thinner cock or one cock that is more flaccid. A large powerful erection is very important to me so having a weak or subpar erection in the picture doesn't do much for me.

As for your comments about not caring about the stars, your intitled to your opinion. I enjoy their performances and wish them well if/when they decide it's time to move on. Pushing the envelope is alright, but.....fuck it....we could go on forever and at the end of the day it all comes down to personal preference. Good thing we live in the U.S.A. where there is never a shortage of people willing to satisfy your needs for a fee.

Boat Drinks!!!

RoccoFan

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Although what Druber writes may sound callous and insensitive, how many porn viewers *truly* care about the performers? This is entertainment, why should he concerned about a starlets ability to pay her rent or her discomfort in making the latest double anal blockbuster?

I don't worry about Jackie Chan when he performs dangerous stunts in his Hollywood movies. I don't worry about the contestants on Fear Factor when they eat a bowl of worms for our "entertainment". Why should porn be different?

I think most hardcore raincoaters just want to get their rocks off and expect the girls to do whatever it takes to make this happen. If it takes more and more extreme acts, so be it. I think we are seeing this trend already. But, hey - so long as the acts between consenting adults, what's the issue here? It seems rather strange for other (less extreme) porn viewers to frown about it.

It appears to me that some people are drawing an artifical line -- it's OK if a girl performs hard anal sex with Rocco for 20 minutes, but not OK if she agrees to a double anal bukkake gang bang.

I think A LOT of porn is degrading and has elements of misogomy. It's always been this way. And, from what I see on here and RAME, it's "uncool" to like more sanitized porn like the stuff Vivid produces. And of course, a whole lot of people would argue Vivid porn is degrading to women as well (but they are unlikely to be found here).

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I ... well I USED to think I was a raincoater when it comes to my taste in porn, but I do not enjoy porn that shows me a woman who I think hates what is happening to her. Sometimes I'm fooled... as we all are, but I certainly care.

Anyway, maybe I'm not a raincoater, I don't enjoy DP, I don't enjoy Gang Bangs, fisting, or double anything. I DO enjoy lots of other things: facials, anal, and most of all I enjoy one on one sex of the rougher and more dominant variety. I think that still makes me a raincoater. I realize that porn is not always sunshine and daffodills, but I don't think I am alone when I say I absolutely care about the performers--and so should the adult studio directors and producers.

Just one guy's opinion... :)

MLyons

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My preference is gonzo, just a little tease & right to it. I prefer one-on-one, but gangbangs, facials, anal, whatever (no Vivid) are all good for me, as long as it's something the girl's into. If the girl's not into it, it does nothing for me.

In my opinion, the need to have any act that a person should crave portrayed on film for their pleasure, regardless of human costs, should not define a raincoater. If it is, I'll just stick to being called a perv.

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You're BOTH raincoaters. You're just opposite ends of the same spectrum.

Me, I'm somewhere in the middle.

Part of me feels like MLyons. I definitely care about the women and greatly prefer for them to genuinely be enjoying their work (an excellent example of a woman like that is Bella Donna). But even Druber allows that he DOES care about some of the talent (for example, Daniella Rush).

But I also feel like Druber in that I really do thrive on a steady diet of fresh faces and I like to see the women continually push the envelope (not too far, though, for example I really don't ever want to see them do scat, animals, children, snuff movies, etc.). But I'm willing to bet that Druber feels the same way.

In terms of pure economics, I can readily see why so many young women take the porn plunge. Fresh out of high school, on their own, no job skills, and with bills to pay, these young women can go work at McDonald's for minimum wage or get into porn and make as much money doing one or two scenes as they would make in a whole month of full-time work at McDonald's (and many women DO enjoy their porn work).

Many women put themselves through college by doing porn on the side.

There's also a thread on this forum devoted to all of the porn stars who have crossed over to mainstream movies. Hence, doing porn hardly brands someone with a scarlet letter the way it once did (at least no where nearly as much).

The point is that it is POSSIBLE and does in fact HAPPEN that porn is a win-win situation both for the raincoater as well as the porn talent.

Many people are still laboring under the naive notion that all female porn talent are "victims." In reality, many of these so-called victims are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Why do you care so much about a person who you do not know and doesn't care about you? I thought we all watched porn for our *own* enjoyment, but you make it sound like *her* enjoyment is a preresquite before you have fun. Doesn't that strike you as unusual? Porn stars are doing a JOB. They are not in love with the person they are screwing - they are earning a paycheck. It is their job (in most instances) to *pretend* they crave huge cocks in every hole in their body. If they get you hard, then they did their job well, and I think that should be the end of story.

Everyday, we go through life and expect other people to do their job with any requirement that they are "happy" about it or without discomfort. Do you worry about people who choose to be coal miners? That seems like a pretty crappy job too, but many people choose to do it.

What about that sexy young girl who chooses the respectable job at McDonald's and earns minimum wage? If she smiles and pretends to love her work, do you get worried if it is insincere? I seriously doubt she likes cooking french fries in front of a hot oil vat every day. I bet she even gets burned by the oil a few times a week. It seems to me *that* girl is more deserving of all your concern -- she's working an honest job and doing the best can. Sure, she could choose a career in porn, and makes LOTS more $$$ by spreading her legs for the camera, but even though she is poor, she is determined to respect herself and only share her body with a man she loves. Do you care about this girl?

I'm not saying it is necessarily bad or wrong to "care" about porn stars, but I question anyone's ability to really "care" about a person who your sole connection with is to spank the money as she gets dominated and is subjected to anal sex in multiple uncomfortable positions with strangers on camera for the world to see.

Now IF you know a porn star personally, that is different. At that point, she is no longer just a fantasy image - but a real person. Until you make it to that level, I think any illusion of "caring" is just a way to deal with conflicted emotions.

-- Snowman

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Thanks for your input.

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Snowman872 wrote:
MLyons... (and other people who allege they "care" about porn stars they do not know)

Why do you care so much about a person who you do not know and doesn't care about you? I thought we all watched porn for our *own* enjoyment, but you make it sound like *her* enjoyment is a preresquite before you have fun. Doesn't that strike you as unusual? Porn stars are doing a JOB. They are not in love with the person they are screwing - they are earning a paycheck. It is their job (in most instances) to *pretend* they crave huge cocks in every hole in their body. If they get you hard, then they did their
job well, and I think that should be the end of story.
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Whoa! Lots of assumptions are being made here.

Firstly, I think you're reading way too much into what "caring" means in this context. Just because you don't care about a porn woman in the same way that you care about someone that you know and love personally, that doesn't necessarily mean that you can't care about them in a more detached but still meaningful way. Otherwise, why do porn fans routinely pay for round trip airline tickets and hotel rooms just for the privilege of standing in a long line to meet and get the autograph of a favorite porn star at a trade show or other industry function? If they were just pieces of meat to jack off to, then what would be the point? Why go to so much trouble and expense?

Druber is a HARDCORE MAN if ever there was one, but even he expressed concern and sympathy for the plight of Daniella Rush, a woman that he's likely never met. If her only value was meat to jack off to, then why would Druber have even bothered to express sympathy?

Just because a person is a stranger to you doesn't mean that you can't care about them. People all over the world were greatly saddened by the tragic and untimely death of Princess Diana. Millions and millions of people wept for someone that they never even met.

If Jackie Chan were seriously injured or killed doing one of his stunts for a movie, rest assured that a flood of letters from well-wishers (perfect strangers) would pour in.

Is a porn woman's enjoyment a *prerequisite* to my getting off? No, I never said that. What I *did* say is that I greatly prefer it.

If I go to a supermarket to pick up some groceries and the cashier is unfriendly and acts like she'd rather be anywhere else but where she is, I'll still accomplish my goal of taking the groceries home. But if the cashier is cheerful and creates the impression that she's happy to be there, I'll probably find the transaction more satisfactory and might even take the groceries home with a smile on my face. Some people couldn't care less what the cashier's disposition is.

If a porn woman turns me on enough, I can get off to her almost no matter what her disposition is, but the experience can be enhanced if she creates the impression that she likes what she's doing. The impression can be genuine or it can be faked, either way, it enhances the experience. And yes, some porn women *do* really get off on having all of their holes filled with giant cocks, just ask Chloe!

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I think a lot of porn fans are lying to themselfs. I try not to.

Druber

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Boat Drinks!!!

RoccoFan

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You make some excellent points, and I think alot of people have already responded with a lot of the things that I would have said, but here's my take on it. I don't pretend to care about these people on an intimate or personal level. As you said, I don't know them personally, or have caring friendships with them. I also would be the first to admit that I'm not the most solidly "well adjusted" raincoater out there when it comes to being able to seperate my feelings of caring about what I'm watching from my enjoyment of it. On the other hand, I would REALLY worry about myself if I didn't face at least a bit of that conflict every time I watch an adult video. While I don't have friendships with these people, I still care about their working conditions, and THEIR reactions to the work they do. As much posturing as we do about that fact that they are performing a job for a fee, they are still sharing themselves in more intimate ways than most of us are willing to do; and there's still the fact that alot of these girls, especially the young teenagers that we all so adore that flit in and out of the industry, have their own conflicting emotions about what they are doing. And, hey... shoot me--but I care about that. You can try to invalidate that by citing that it's a way of dealing with my conflicting emotions, but it's a part of who I am, so to me it's not invalid.

I absolutely don't deny the raincoater's right to enjoy any kind of porn they like (again, between consenting adults), and I'm not frowning on Druber's outlook either, or yours. Again, you state your case well. I like my fair share of the more hardcore stuff, but like others here, yes I enjoy my porn more when I BELIEVE that the performers are enjoying themselves. If they're good at pretending I can't hope to know if it's genuine or not. All I can do is hope they aren't.

MLyons

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Why cant you accept that they sold their body for money and you pay to enjoy them. Basta.

I want my supply of fresh meat like I wanna eat fresh bread evry morning. I care about the quality of grain, as I care for the quality of ass. But I do not feel guilty about.

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