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mrstrummy
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Posted - Nov 4 2016 : 3:06AM
or "mostly" go out of fashion, unfortunately.
I realize this is a frequently bemoaned issue in porn, but this post is more about the history of this particular loathsome practice than a thread to complain some more about it. Basically--when did porn producers realize cutting to the dude's face in porn marketed to straight men was a bad idea? I know you see it every once in a while in modern porn, especially more "couples-oriented" stuff but obviously a lot less. If we STILL complain about it, why weren't more people writing letters to porn companies telling them not to do it? How did it become SO entrenched an industry practice?
I've heard it suggested that the cuts to the guy's cumface were not only to warn viewers of an imminent popshot and to provide a convenient edit-point, but also because it was thought that male viewers would "identify" with the male performer by seeing him cum. THis seems insane to me.
I haven't done a proper survey of porn from the 70s to present day (though I've done my fair share of informal research of course) but to me it seems like this started falling out of fashion in the early 2000s, which seems incredibly late in the game. Of course, now we just crossfade to the guy jerking it for six minutes, but I guess the "birdie face" is an improvement over witnessing the contorted grimace of vinegar strokes.
Another personal observation--is it possible this a bigger problem in movies with plots where the camerawork is supposed to be more traditiionally "cinematic"? It seemed like artsier movies would do shit like cut to a tiger and a smoke machine or, in a rare bout of common sense, a female voyeur masturbating, as edit points for cumshots. It does seem that even "artsier" stuff nowadays seems more willing to compromise film grammar for arousal factor.
Even a countdown timer (female voiceover?) would be better (I enjoy girls "narrating" their scenes anyway), but the simplest thing to me always seemed to just have the girl saying "you wanna cum for me baby" or "are you ready to cum on my " etc. and then cross-fade straight to the pop-shot. If you're going to go gonzo you might as well break the fourth wall all the way down.
Also, I never minded seeing it looped a couple times (ECG does this--but what are some others), maybe from multiple angles, before the girl does some cleanup or postcum head/etc. You could come on, say, the third cumshot loop (if this is established as a convention) and then enjoy some afterglow as you watch her clean up. Just not in black and white for no reason.
Anyway, just thought of this again I'm going through the Barely Legal series and it's the one thing that ruins a lot of the scenes for me. It ruins things to always have to fast-forward to the end and see if I'm going to have a bad time...lol. I wish there were a program that could automatically edit this shit out of older movies.
Also: nowadays, besides POV porn or blurring the guy's face, what sites/series are good not doing this?
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Posted - Nov 4 2016 : 3:30AM
It is largely a myth that it exists at all today. It was common in the 70s and appeared throughout the 80s but by the 90s I'd say the convention of static 'bird feeder' jerk-to-finish became omnipresent.
hoochimama
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Posted - Nov 6 2016 : 10:21AM
That's the thing though, they were one-size-fits-all-pervs productions, not marketed exclusively to one group as we've been able to do since the internet age.
They could only reach a limited audience so they couldn't afford to further fragment it. Would you today consider the act of going to a porn theater and having a group wank session surrounded by other masturbating men as something a straight male would do?
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Edited by - hoochimama on 11/6/2016 10:25:16 AM
bacon cheesesteak
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Posted - Nov 7 2016 : 11:32AM
I don't know who invented the "cumface" edit but he and his collaborators should have shot and buried in the desert. It still pops up every once in a while and still ticks me off.
mrstrummy
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Posted - Nov 10 2016 : 6:59PM
I've noticed a further variant that might be even worse than the cumface edit--cutting to the guy's face AFTER the cumshot while the girl might be licking up cum, sucking him some more, teasing audience, etc. And there's not even the excuse of needing an edit point! At least with the regular edit you could skip it and enjoy the afterglow. I think I've even seen this combined with the birdfeeder cumshot.
Also,
This is an interesting point I didn't think about. I mean, I think there was just more homosociality on top of some homosexual tendencies that allowed for. Some people probably went merely out of necessity. And there were (and are of course) those jerk-off booths, which are somewhat less homoerotic.
Also, it seems like even after VHS and DVD were widely accessible and more easily marketed, and even after hte internet, stuff you would think was intendend for straight guys had questionable edits. I mean, is Hustler Barely Legal marketed towards a tiny bisexual population who enjoys b/g porn exclusively? Yet it has cutting-to-cumface AND cutting-to-guy-from-post-cum-head (again, the graver sin in my book). I don't think these were marketed toward couples--and I noticed for couples stuff the more "sensible" directors do show the guy but not ONLY the guy during the cumshot (where else am I going to see Tiffany Thompson videos other than couples...lol...if only she'd done some POV stuff). And of course seeing a couple really getting into it can be hot in a way that I think is more voyeur-sexual than homoerotic. Although everyone's a little gay and all that--even those guys who watch only lesbian porn with no toys.
But it does bum me out that I have to pre-screen vintage porn for this kind of thing, because I do like look of a lot of things like big hair and leg warmers and unitards...but that was also the age of cutting to dude's faces, so....
I don't know if the girls in those days looked more "womanly" because the average tit size was bigger, (it seems to me--at least there were fewere super-popular smaller-chested girls) because they dress like people's moms dress now, look like someone from an old moviet, etc....
 
doug v
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Posted - Nov 11 2016 : 10:40PM
Its really a major turn on to see and hear the pretty and sensuous face and voice cumming but men are the masculine. The best is for the guy to make no sound and for the female to make an intense cum sound(its a fake female orgasm sound only for the purpose of causing ultimate excitement the moment he starts to approach orgasm[on the brink,usually 10 seconds before his cum] and cums on her) with camera angle that shows ONLY HIS cock WITH the females butt,cunt,tits,hard nipples and face all in the same camera angle. There was 1 scene i saw where the female made a very loud continuous "ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" cum sound seconds before and during his cum and that was such a major turn on. This passes the sensuous and exciting test.
Edited by - doug v on 11/12/2016 12:35:31 PM
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 10:29AM
The "cut to guy's cumface" was practically one of Peter North's trademarks.
Thing is, though, Peter's cumshot face was followed by the greatest cumshots in the business
JohnW
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 12:32PM
As far as I remember this continued into the early 00s.
I don't mind seeing the guy, but I do like at least a semi close up of the cumshot because its one of my favorite things in porn. I don't mind guys making sounds either, but exaggerated fake moaning is a turnoff for either gender.
Dragon Sign
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 4:10PM
Just as Jimi Hendrix smashed his guitar?
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 5:50PM
^ Perhaps the best post ever from Dragon Sign.
Simple Simon
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Posted - Nov 12 2016 : 6:17PM
^^ Well, over the top if these cutaways, they could have been playing: excuse me while I kiss this guy.



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