As a consumer, it's a shame he doesn't seem to want to get back to making extreme material in the near future - but after a life-changing experience like that, it's hardly suprising.
Max Hardcore is a fucking joke. mod edit: Second edit in quick succession, the first one for image policy guidance now this one for forum etiquette. Referring to performers as 'sluts' in the context you did isn't acceptable here, please read this forum etiquette guide ASAP. Lets see a new director like Rob Black make a new series based on hardcore lesbian all-girl piss drinking sex movies. Yeah I want to challenge anyone in the fucking porn business to have the guts to start making movies like that : with AMERICAN pornstar women only !
i want to see some new max material with NEW girls, not the girls that he shot before he was inside. I wonder if the euro veriosn of his new movies will be avialable cause the euro stuff is not available on the website.
^I believe this is what got him arrested in the first place so I don't know if Max is going to take a chnace of getting arested for a second time doing that.
“They taught me a good lesson,” he said. “I took my medicine and kept my mouth shut. I took it like a man. I have a new appreciation for life.” Brainwashed... what a shame
^That could be it but I tend to lean that it's a man who learned an important lesson. The fact that he used the term "my medicine" makes me think that he belives he was sick. I'm a long term Max fan but frankly most of the stuff he produce in the last few years before going to jail was no longer remotely sexual. It involved a penis an a woman's orricices but it was all sick circus act. If this is the type of porn that he now plans to produce again than I wish him the best of luck because I know that I wasn't buying it before and I don't think he'll find as many people willing to do so now.
in a recent interview hes said the old max is back. he did a shoot with a chick named bonnie rotten, He said his new material will be coming out in october............BUT the big question is, will there be euro versiosn available some how????????????
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Aug 28 2012 : 8:45PM
'No real freedom'? If being able to piss down the throat of someone on camera is 'real freedom' when was the US ever 'really free' since that's always been a way to be convicted of obscenity in the US? I think watersports should be legal to film but come on, have some perspective on the issue.
Of course the old Max could mean the guy that used to love shooting hot porn and not the guy who shot his later stuff. My fingers are crossed that it's the guy that shot hot porn because there was a time when I eagerly awaited a Max movie. If it's the more recent Max instead Than I wish him luck because I don't think the stuff he did before jail will sell enough for him to live on.
Just got Universal Max 13 cause one of my all time favs Tristan Kingsley was in it. She always seemed pretty mellow and I was shocked to see her in a max film. It was a pretty tame scene, no anal & not much throat fucking, since it was the US version you couldnt see him pee on her but her tshirt was pretty drenched so I know he did. Max, please please please release Euro versions of all your upcoming movies. thanks
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Posted - Aug 31 2012 : 7:10PM
There is a thread on the xxxporntalk.com called Max Hardcore Appreciation and Max Hardcore is a member xxxporntalk.com forum and he has posted on Max Hardcore Appreciation. I am sorry if that has already been posted on this thread already.
Unfortunately for Max, I don't think he's going to be able to make a comeback doing tame porn. He has a pretty long history in the biz but his real claim to fame is the stuff that got him put away. That was his bread and butter. He might have had a relatively small clientele but he could always count on them to buy his stuff. Now, it's just going to be too risky for him to make anything that comes close to what those customers want. I suspect any Max comeback in this market will be short lived.
I guess we have to disagree because it's what you refer to as is tame stuff that got me intertested in Max movies. It's his twisted stuff that lost me as a customer. If he makes a comeback and goes back to his tame roots then I will definetely take a look at it and if it is what I hope it can be then I will buy it. If he wants to do his twisted stuff then he can but it should remain an internet only project or he runs the risk of appearing on a zealous DA who could get him prosecuted a second time and the chances are that he will lose that trial. I don't think he enjoyed his first time in jail and I can't imagine the second would be any better. I'd also like to point out that if he chooses to do his twisted stuff then I don't know if the number of customers will be as high as they were prior to him going to jail. Why should his tuff be any safer from torrent and tube sites? That means that his already small number will be even smaller and he simply won't make any money to make the venture worth it.
^We can only guess which fan base (tame vs. extreme) is the largest or most loyal. All thing being equal, every producer has a risk of their product being pirated and made available for free. The only difference is if the fans "care" about the producer, on a personal level, they are more inclined to see them as a human being who needs to earn a living. I realize it's only speculation, but I think Max's die-hard fans who enjoy his over-the-top stuff, for which he spent time in lockup, are more likely to support him (by paying him money), than the fans like you who probably have an unfavorable opinion of him due to his going to the dark side.
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Posted - Sep 1 2012 : 2:15AM
I doubt fans of the OTT stuff have any qualms about pirating his material.
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Posted - Sep 1 2012 : 2:38AM
If he no longer makes his uncensored footage available, then what's the point of releasing anything? The whole reason that Max so famous was because he was doing stuff that no one else in the industry was doing, and catering to that segment of fans who were tired of seeing the same old tired cookie-cutter bullshit. That's what made him stand out, which turned out to be both good and bad for him. It was good because it made him one of the most famous guys in the industry. But it was bad because it also made him an easier target of the anti-porn/pro-censorship crowd. Now that he says he's back to making new movies, if his videos are going to start being no different from anyone else's, then I agree that he might as well call it quits as no one will be interested. He knows who his audience was, and what they want to see. They don't want to see the same things that everyone else is doing, which is why they watch him. Yes, he did circus acts. But so what? Those of us who liked his material enjoyed those circus acts. That's why we watched him. If he's just going to start being tame and boring like everyone else in the industry, then he's already lost his whole core audience. I would love to see Max start making the same uncensored material he used to make, but with some changes. For one thing, Max is older now. He was already a little long in the tooth before. But now, I'm sure prison has probably aged him more. So if he does indeed intend to go back into porn, I think he should consider remaining behind the camera, and allowing another younger, more well-endowed guy to perform in the scenes with the girls, doing the same pissing, fisting, deep-throating, and other acts that he became famous for. As much as he might want to, I doubt that Max is still up for doing this himself. But there are many other talented male performers out there who would love to take his place as the next Max Hardcore protege. And yes, I'm sure that there are plenty of fans out there who would love to see Max Hardcore-type porn make a reappearance. I know I would. All this boring crap that we're seeing now blows.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 1 2012 : 2:42AM
As I recall during the trial Max and his lawyers claimed that the monotony of his videos, their very sameness, was an intended effect so 'cookie-cutter' is actually what the man himself claims he was shooting for.
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Posted - Sep 1 2012 : 2:50AM
^Tha might make for an interesting legal defense. But of course, we all know that his videos were significantly different from anything else you'll find in today's porn. Were this not the case, we probably wouldn't be talking about him now.
My point is that, comparatively speaking, the OTT fans are gonna throw Max a few more crumbs than will the tame fans. No doubt, there are pirates in both groups. But I'm focusing on the positive side. Which group is more likely to contain some sympathetic people who are willing to pull out the credit card to support Max.
Wow, that interview from last year was nice. I'm not a person who judges people by their fetishes. I do, however, dislike people with a lack of compassion and love, even though I try to understand them too. While I've understood that the Max Hardcore style of porn can be consentual, the women can enjoy being humiliated and fucking women dressed as children can be harmless too, there has been this horrible aura on Max which has made me think not that good thoughts about him. That said, I really appreciate the self-studying Max has done. Lots of people are really really stubborn to admit that they regret something. There is this trend of people telling they do not regret anything and that is thought to be something honorable that a person can go on in his/her life without regrets. I like the little sense of humility from Max when I read the part where he tells about his regrets and his will to love. He might still enjoy horribly rough sex and underage fantasies, and he has every right to have those fetishes, but I appreciate him for his new outlook on life and having the guts to say it.
Unless Max happens to have citizenship in an EU country I suspect he would have one hell of a hard time getting into Germany with his felony conviction. The Netherlands is also a hot spot for extreme porn but I don't think Max would be allowed there either.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like I read that despite Germany's often OTT porn, their actual society can often be really PC and strict on the kind of behavior that's depicted in their porn. Can anyone explain this better?
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Posted - Sep 2 2012 : 8:09PM
70 years ago, the U.S. was at war with fascist Germany. People were literally fighting for their lives to leave there so they could come here to "the land of the free." Now we tell people, "Fuck your freedom. If you don't like it, go to Germany." My how things do change.
Yes, Max Hardcore stood out from the crowd, but considering the fact that if you've seen one of his movies then you've seen them all that's a pretty amusing critique.
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Posted - Sep 2 2012 : 8:34PM
^The same thing can be easily be said about all porn, especially given the number of times that I've heard people say it.
I don't know. I'd up the number to around 5-10. There was SOME variety in his movies. Just not a whole lot. I think they meant he stood out in ways that made him pretty close to the only source for his type of material. Which is exactly why he stood out to the feds. Well, sorta. I still say there were a lot of people doing basically what he was doing (Slapping, gagging, choking, heavy anal). What really got him nailed more than anything was the fact that on top of everything else he was doing (watersports, extreme anal, abuse and so forth) he had the pseudo-pedo thing going on. Which, I don't think the aesthetic was really unique to him either but he took it a bit farther than aesthetics from what I gather. He was pretty much the only one I know of who put all this stuff together in one package. He was just the perfect storm for the feds at precisely the right/wrong time. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/2/2012 9:36:35 PM
That isn't the point, though, is it? The point is that you are praising Max for doing the very thing you denigrated others for doing, the only difference being that you approve of his variety of cookie-cutter pornography.
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Posted - Sep 3 2012 : 4:09AM
^I never said Max made cookie-cutter porn. I said the complete opposite. If you think his movies are all the same, then that's your opinion. I was simply acknowledging that many people have the same opinion about porn in general, i.e, "If you've seen one, you've them all." Also, even if his movies are all the same, that's still doesn't qualify as cookie-cutter porn. That only applies when everybody is doing the exact same thing. As we all know, Max was the only one making the types of movies he was making. How is that cookie-cutter? To the contrary, that classifies as original.
Sure it does. If I give a chef a cookie cutter and tell him to make a batch of cookies using only that cutter will all the cookies look the same? Of course they will, and, by definition, they will be cookie-cutter cookies. It doesn't matter that no other chef has that particular cookie cutter.
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Posted - Sep 3 2012 : 9:38PM
If you use the same cookie cutter, but different dough, is it more cookie cutter than if you used different cookie cutters but with the same kind of dough? And more importantly, are chopped nuts an integral part of the archetypical chocolate chip cookie, or a Philistine perversion of the baked-sweet paradigm?
Sure, Max's stuff was mostly the same from film to film - but no one else in porn was making stuff like that, so his material - as a whole - was unique compared to the stuff every other company was putting out. So, if he goes back to making the same stuff as everyone does, then he's just going to dissappear in my opinion. There are so many bog-standard vanilla porn producers fighting over a diminishing number of bucks out there, who needs another? Personally I would hope Max could issue vanilla porn US friendly cuts on DVD, and go back to issuing the real nasty shit online only - though having only just got out of jail I can understand why he'd be wary of anything the authorities could get him on. I #want# the piss, the puke, the degredation. It just won't be the same any other way. Edited by - davebowman on 9/4/2012 7:32:24 AM
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Posted - Sep 5 2012 : 2:48AM
Most German porn is as vanilla as porn from anywhere else, they just allows the extreme scat, etc stuff as well but it's as niche there as anywhere else. I'm not sure where you get the idea they are strict about the kind of behaviour depicted in their porn, they're certainly more liberal than the UK or the US. But it's not like all porn produced in Germany is BDSM and scat, that's just a stereotype that those in North America want to believe, as if all Japanese porn is tentacle rape and eels in vaginas.
Like I said, I read it somewhere. I didn't say it was a firmly held conviction. I just wondered if anyone could confirm or deny it. As I recall, the person who said so was German and he said himself that it seemed contradictory.Well, I always say stereotypes usually have more than a small grain of truth to them. They may be stereotypes but they have to get started somehow. It might be that people in the US have that perception because most German porn that Americans end up seeing is of the more extreme variety. You're not likely to go too far outside your own society to find your porn unless you're looking for something that can't be found in the porn made in your country. I doubt too many Americans want vanilla German porn, considering anything that gets said will likely be in German. Edited by - randomprecision on 9/5/2012 8:26:04 PM
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Posted - Sep 5 2012 : 11:37PM
^When I was visiting Germany, I was also curious to see if this was true. So I went into a porno shop that I passed while I was there. BlackSix is right. The stuff I saw on the shelves there wasn't any different from the stuff on the shelves of porno shops here. A lot of it was actually the same stuff. I'm sure I could have probably found the more extreme stuff if I really dug through everything and looked hard enough. But I wasn't that interested. As far as what was most available, it was just the same regular mainstream porn videos. All the crazy acts that we assocaite with German porn are probably just as fringe there as they are in the U.S. However, when I was in Amsterdam touring the Red Light District, that was a different story. The stores there put all their craziest videos right up front for everyone to see. You couldn't walk past a porno store without seeing a window full of bestiality DVDs showing women fucking horses and dogs. As you yourself said, since they know that most of the people walking through the Red Light District are probably tourists from other countries, I guess they know that if you're going to buy something, you're probably going to want stuff that you can't find at home.
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