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marzalek
Member

North West of Englans
48 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 4:31AM
Looking at the majority of porn these days, there's not enough attempt to really work on the fantasy angle which should be the root of all good porn. Story lines however shaky or badly acted always rank up the stroke value of a film.

JM Productions dont seem very active (heard they had legal problems)who really produced some terrific lines like Young & Anal, DP Virgins and Perverted Stories.

Kelly the Coed seems to have been dropped by Heatwave - has it?

I dont know where my next good dose is coming from. Any ideas?

Too much straight to the action which does nothing for me, however many gorgeous girls are given a good seeing to on camera. Interviews with porn models who then go through the motions, get paid and go off to their next shoot is quite dull.

Anyone help with nes about JM, Heatwave etc or any companies making good character based stuff. preferably with anal.

Regards

Slightly bored porn buff

ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 4:38AM
You see porn spoofs on TV and they're always variations on the character-based porn. The poolboy or the sexy nurse, whatever. But it's not going on so much in porn. Or if it is, it's light, it's fleeting, because the clothes are off and the story lines are forgotten, and it's pretty much gonzo with costumes.

There are good features, and good gonzo, but nothing amazing. I get what you're saying. There's nothing you can sink your teeth into. I'm quite disenfranchised too, but I don't know how to express it succintly.

[don't you fucking look at me]

Ultrasiet2
Wam Bam! Clan

Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under!
1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 4:57AM
Fans who value these sorts of things, like narrative and context, are not vocal enough, or are in the minority. We'll never have a porn census to find out for sure. I'm betting, however, that the fact that feature porn sells plenty means a lot of porn fans who don't post on these boards do enjoy set-up, character development, etc with their porn.

The problem is when the sex becomes harder, the opinion is that the context and storyline becomes irrelevant. Hence the really 'nasty' sex almost never has storyline associated with it. Partly this is due to the companies that focus on storylines believing their target audience prefers 'softer' sex. Whatever that means. However, this isn't a hard and fast rule. Take Jim Powers' recent series DEMENTIA and SODOM. They mix nastier sex with decent storylines. Fashionistas and TALES FROM THE CRACK are modern industry benchmarks in this department.

Private is one company that does this all the time, but they just have weak scripts as a general rule and disinterested actors. And therein lies your problem. Most porn stars can't act, and are not interested in acting, ditto most pornographers. The emphasis is the sex, and to hire a scriptwriter, or to write one's own? Too much effort and/or cost.

Who knows, a new generation of porn directors and starlets may reverse this trend. I doubt that'll happen anytime soon though. Narrative porn had a strong run through the Seventies and Eighties. Until porn directors start recognising the presence of an audience that likes narrative and harder sex, and seeing that the effort is worthwhile, and not being lazy and always shooting barebones gonzo, then we'll keep getting the unimaginative porn that we do.

You can't teach imagination.

croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 5:19AM
JM productions never seemed that "character based" to me. Just gonzo with a theme.
But most companies don't do features because of the realization that for much of the market (not all) it is about hot naked people getting it on. Not sure when it became about circus acts though. Maybe that John T. Bone "flaming ass" scene.
Recoil Therapy
Member

Deep in flyover country
194 Posts
10/04
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 9:09AM
There are a couple of problems that make it hard to do good story based porn. The first was already mentioned in that for the most part they can't act. It's much easier to shoot gonzo that to have to reshoot scene after scene because someone keeps messing up their lines.

The biggest problems that I see however is the length of time that must be spent watching a good feature porno. You're looking at around 2.5-3 hours to get through the whole thing. Mainstream movies cut their time down with implied (couple kissing, pan to the fireplace & fade out to the next morning) or a minute or two of covered rolling around in bed. It gets the point across without the gynecological exam. OTOH, people buy porn for the sex & expect to see good sex. 6-10 sex scenes of 6-10 min each adds a minimum of an hour to the movie.

For us, our viewing times are mainly after the kids go to bed & are asleep. That puts the starting time around midnight. If we've got to get up in the morning to go to work we really don't want to have to stay up until 3am to watch a movie (& then if the movie did it's job, head to bed for a sex session ourselves). One of our favorites is Space Nuts (we both love reading science fiction & watching the classic movies which that spoofs wonderfully) but I don't think that we've ever made it all the way through in one sitting, it's just too long. The same with Fashionista's , Pirates , or any of the other big budget films of the past few years.

Perhaps that is why we enjoy the "Golden Age" stuff so much. They seemed to be able to cram the background story/plot into relatively short pieces & yet still not leave you wondering what was going on. Someone needs to come up with a way to do the same these days but with the more intense sex rather than the relatively plain style back then.

RT

 
JEWEL (imposter)
Jewel De'Nyle

736 Posts
1/06
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 10:02AM
Check out Catherine from Michael Ninn it's very good and character based.
BlueUnit
Member

72 Posts
6/06
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 10:23AM
I agree..for me..gyno porn gets boring pretty fast.

When..the chase..the eyes..the forbidden peak...the first touch..the reveal..the breath..the mouth..the tongue..the wetness...the hardness..becomes the fuck

I get off on it.

With that said, let's not go back to the 80's..I hope some directors are willing to take it to a whole new level of fantasy meets reality that transports pervs like me.

ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 11:25AM
Jewel, you rule. Great choice.

[don't you fucking look at me]

the unknown pervert
Deactivated User

I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch.
3243 Posts
5/06
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 2:04PM
As far as the time issue goes there are plenty of gonzos that are 2+ hours in length also. As far as the acting all I'm asking for is for out of the company, directors, and performers is that they make an effort. There's a reason they are doing porn and not mainstream acting. I'm not expecting To Kill a Mockingbird, cheesy acting is fine, cheesy sex is not. Dramatic set ups to sex scenes might suffer from lack of theatrical ability but comedic, sci-fiish, and obivous parody set ups do not. B-movie level acting ability is all that is needed to make a quality porn feature and I think there are more performers capable of that level in Pornoland than people realize. I'm guessing a bigger problem of budgeting for props, sets, multiple locations, and extra days of shooting is why there is so little in the way of this type of product nowadays. These days it all comes down to numbers.
kylie ireland
Member

Welcome to the darkside....we have cookies.
598 Posts
11/03
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 3:19PM
ziniaraya
Member

London
194 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 3:33PM
I was going to say that a lot of the private features have got story lines, but that seems like too obvious an answer so maybe I'm not getting the question ?

Z.

Roads To Moscow
Dianic

Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com
1390 Posts
7/05
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 5:01PM
Michael Raven's The Visitors, which streets TODAY from Wicked Pictures, is the best feature in the adult genre I've seen so far this year. I'm sure you'll say I'm biased, but it really is the best!

DMPR: PR For The New Core

Myload
Senior Member

A rose is what you are to me
2069 Posts
6/03
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 6:01PM
I also want to see more character and story-driven porn. With me, those things become the focus instead of sex with those kind of movies. But then again, they should just be good movies in general. If all I want to see is sex, then yes, I would just watch a gonzo movie. But most of the time I want to see more than that.
weez
Member

44 Posts
4/06
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 7:00PM
I love to read erotica - my favorite site it literotica.com. I always think 'wow, this should be made into a porno!' But I guess for the reasons mentioned I'm shit out of luck.
Endless Loop
Senior Member

Tomatometer
1129 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jul 26 2006 : 11:29PM
As previously stated, dramatic features, simply lose it on the hardcore end.
After years of being held hostage, to the industry monopolizing crap acting of the 70's and early 80's, its been a bit of retribution, wallowing in the world of gonzo since its inception, and having limited any money spent on features, to a few hotel room cable purchases, that only revealed how bad features still were.

Now, with the formulaic exploits of gonzo finally forcing me to look elsewhere, I'm hopeful a new era may be at hand.
Kylie Ireland may be pushing the envelope, into content more suited for the hardcore audience, and yet even if her "Twisted as Fuck", ends up adding more twist than fuck, theres another female talent entering the stage, who might also drive these archaic abominations of sex and theactrics, toward a more flagrant fuck flick.
Prior to JM Productions recent troubles, I often found their tongue in cheek scenarios amusing, but Hillary Scott's appearances, actually made them memorable.
Having won me over with her adorable charactarizations in half baked skits as "Too scared to Sleep" Naughty Little Nymphos 16, and Don't Tell Mommy #7 among others, for possibly the first time ever, Hillary has garnered my interest, in what she may bring, and what roles she may play, in her upcoming feature releases.


Edited by - Endless Loop on 7/26/2006 11:54:48 PM

 
Ultrasiet2
Wam Bam! Clan

Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under!
1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jul 27 2006 : 12:46AM
The simplest explanation for the lack of character-based porn comes down to the following aphorism:

Porn is 0% inspiration 99% perspiration and 1 % ejaculation.

Ultrasiet2
Wam Bam! Clan

Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under!
1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jul 27 2006 : 12:49AM
Most Private features have storylines, but are they 'good character-based' storylines? Not really ever. This comes down to the writing, and the fact that the stars they get fuck well, but couldn't deliver a sub-sub-soap opera line with anything remotely resembling convincing delivery.

I don't know if Dennis Black Magic and Nexxxt Generation films buck the trend.

marzalek
Member

North West of Englans
48 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jul 27 2006 : 3:31AM
Thanks for all the replies guys.

I just think that directors have lost inspiration.

I dont expect Oscar-winning acting but role play at least, come on.

Even Big bad Max Hardcore started out doing good plot line stuff but he got tired.

Take the Bait and Teen Fuck Holes series - the earlier titles in these series had vague plots but now they have gone straight to plundering the girls straightaway.

Good news I see Young & Anal 36 is being released.

Anyone know whether Heatwave plan to release more Kelly the Coed??

the unknown pervert
Deactivated User

I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch.
3243 Posts
5/06
Posted - Jul 27 2006 : 3:46AM
When you see a title followed by #36 it's a pretty good sign that creativity and originality were not focal points.
ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Jul 27 2006 : 3:57AM
Max is getting on. It's difficult to play out the misogynistic storylines when you run the risk of the Viagra running out. What Max needs is an attractive protege. He's too old for the kind of shit he does.

[don't you fucking look at me]

ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Jul 27 2006 : 3:58AM

too true.

[don't you fucking look at me]

Faceblaster
Member

390 Posts
5/04
Posted - Jul 28 2006 : 5:39AM
SteveSteelePresents has some good silly hardcore stuff. Sets and plots and costumes and goofy dialog. It's got top porngirls and well-shot sex scenes too. There are some reviews at Rog.
Ultrasiet2
Wam Bam! Clan

Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under!
1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jul 28 2006 : 6:42AM
Can anyone say 'Michael Chapman?' LOL!
ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Jul 28 2006 : 7:18AM
is he that meatholes guy?

j/k

[deadly little miho]

Ultrasiet2
Wam Bam! Clan

Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under!
1433 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jul 28 2006 : 10:50AM
No, he's Rocco's black protege who many posters here can't stand, but who I (and Rocco) believe is great fun and a legimitately worthwhile entertaining male talent.

You may be thinking of his antithesis, the eyesore known as Dirty Harry, who I'm sure has his fans.

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