Apologies jumping into what may seem like an age old topic, but I've lurked here long enough and read quite a number of threads of the subject of 'rough sex'. As with the many discussions and the more commonly themed porn now (bar some more interesting styles, i.e. Manuel Ferrari) I really enjoy watching rough sex and have always thought I tended to the more extreme stuff. Every now and then I wince a bit and bar the now well known Cody Lane scene I cope with it all. That was until I watched a scene from a what seems to have been a fairly young and newer Spanish outfit CumExtreme who claim to be providing "more than rough sex". The scene I watched and has been mentioned, but not discussed, involved a British girl Billy Jo who quite literally has the shit beaten out of her. She spends most of the scene sobbing and to me was just too real. In fact, I was rather disturbed by it as the male performer is huge in person and from other scenes is rather aggressive. However, with this extreme site he takes advantage of this scene and it's not sex at points - he looks like he just enjoys f**king her up. At one point, it's almost as if he's about to break her back and she really screams in pain. Fortunately, he stops and there's cuts so I'm wondering if she really was suffering. Now, I know there's a brief interview at the end where she seems fine, but let's be honest, that means nothing and I've read and seen enough to know that finishing a job and getting of there is primary sometimes to kicking up a fuss. It was her last and final scene with not just them, but the industry from what I can tell and it's really bothered me that maybe it WAS too much. Did she suffer any injuries? Was this guy a complete and utter c**t? Or maybe I'm still just naive or care too much. I'm not interested in any trolling, but it's a heart felt question from a scene that was just too much for me. I'm hoping for some responses from performers and others who work in the industry to set my mind at ease that hopefully she's ok. Hobby ps. Apologies for another rough sex topic. Edited by - Hobby on Jan 26 2014
I've thought about this long and hard and I decided that maybe, just maybe this was either a one-off or me being too sensitive. I would hope that this scene wasn't as bad as it may seem as they interview her at the end and she's supposedly fine. However, I've watched a fair amount of rough sex scenes since then and I have either found my personal limit on what I can comfortable watch and what I certainly don't like. It's hard not to stumble across something difficult to watch as most, if not all, scenes contain a rough element to them. The face gag and the slapping is seemingly pedestrian to porn - almost like the way anal is standard now. However, as porn evolves we are seeing more and more girls being pushed beyond their limits. I recently watched a scene and it appeared to be some new young fresh German girl being interviewed before her first gangbang and it became very aggressive very quickly. The point at which I had to wince and stop was where one of the males began suffocating here face from behind and she began flailing her arms around. Eventually he stopped and she was flung on to the sofa whilst screaming and writhing around trying to get free. The problem with safe words is very often I can imagine it's hard to say it if you're shocked, short of breath, or panicking. If someone is in the midst of being beaten up or raped maybe it's not always easy to say 'Stop'. Which is my other thought, isn't some of these scenes effectively "legalised rape"? The knowledge of fines, lack of payment, not being able to find work, and bullying the only reason they may continue (after a short break, pressurised conversation, etc)? Financial burdens can make people do almost anything. In many ways, porn is no different to the abuses, bullying, and pressures that most industries experience, but the realities of how this manifests itself in porn seems pretty f**ked up to me. I'm sure a lot of the people involved are f**ked in the head and would be/could be rapists with serious aggression issues. However, this is a style of porn that everyone (even myself to an extent) enjoy but controlling it seems a nightmare. I know and I've read here that many girls love rough sex. I've no issue with that as I've seen many really rough scenes and it's clear the girl is fine with it and often enjoying it. However, as the industry is huge and un-moderated I've also seen far too many scenes where it's clear everything is wrong - let's not pretend this is a uniquely squeaky clean industry. We've heard things are fine we've also read on this forum examples of wrong (facial abuse). I've also seen documentaries where (with filming) we can see how rough it gets followed by verbal abuse / persuasion. The problem I have now is once I see a scene that is too much I get so angry I want to track the individuals down and f**k their lives up. I want to break their spines and show the scenes to their friends and family, but I also have to try and rationalise it as well. This is why I'm here. Hobby Edited by - Hobby on 1/27/2014 2:14:27 AM Edited by - Hobby on 1/27/2014 2:15:24 AM
You had a valid point until your hypocritical remark about "breaking their spines" out of anger. Even fathoming a violent retort is worse than what these performers are doing legally and with consent. Now allow me to provide an example: Porn has varying levels of extremes. The average person who doesn't view porn may feel the same reaction you did just by seeing a simple BJ. This is porno it is meant to shock. Now these women are on a film set and have the choice to leave and not continue filming. This is not human trafficking. No one is being forced to "hit the mat" so to speak. Think of rough sex as wrestling combined with fornication. These women are challenged to push the limits of their sexuality and the viewers. They are given a safe word and a decent pay. None of these women performers have any bodily injuries. I enjoy the rough sex era of porn. It has allowed porn to challenge the viewer rather than try to malign with the mainstream. My last point is the whole "simulated rape" aspect. You can't simulate a forceful act. This may be ruining a fantasy for a lot of us sickos but if you realize that these female performers are on display in other forms of porn then this is just another flavor. The minute instances of horrible things going on in the "industry" are outweighed by the professionals who give us a product we desire. I would like to add that overthinking doesn't help you. Why are you concerned about why these performers are in the industry? Bullying? Money troubles? Really? These are instances in someone else's life that you will never understand. Your job as a porn viewer is to enjoy a product and be a consumer. I'm pretty sure these women are just fine with out your worry and may want to further their porn careers or just retire all together (they are allowed to you know) So enjoy your porn, open your mind, and don't be afraid...
Thanks for the response. I think it's a healthy debate and will continue to be so for a lot of people. In terms of my last comment and it's violent nature, bear in mind the context of it. I am here to rationalise that emotion exactly as I said following it. My point there is essentially about my reaction to how we mistreat others. Once again, context - the mistreatment being unwelcome and not wanted or beyond expectations. Bullying and abuse. I do agree with you to an extent, but what I am also saying is that some scenes are questionable in terms of safe word and the "simulation" and that is difficult for some of us to accept. We all have varying levels with what will shock and over time we have become de-sensitised as porn has become rougher and more aggressive, but still there will eventually be a point where the topic will surely absolutely in question and reach mainstream media. In fact, it already is beginning to be referenced. Also, women do suffer physical injuries. A well known mainstream journalist who tracked weird and interesting topics ventured into the adult industry several times was interviewing a number of well known and lesser known performers. One of the females said, she had just suffered anal tearing, but that's just the way it is. I'm sure not everyone is that blasé about that. With regards to your comment about why should I be concerned? Very simple. I care about how we treat others. My role as a consumer and viewer is key as we drive this industry and what we want will dictate what the adult film industry will deem they can do and get away with. If I watch a man beating a child in the street to work all night and day to produce some clothing for me then I will not only refuse to buy it but I will want to help that child. Not just through legal process but physically. Would you not stop a man beating a child in public? I agree with you where it's managed correctly and as per all the performer's expectations, but any form of real abuse or bullying no matter if it's the minority is wrong. Saying 'it's not my problem' doesn't do anyone any good. More often than not, it will be your problem at some point. Edited by - Hobby on 1/27/2014 7:30:08 PM Edited by - Hobby on 1/28/2014 2:51:22 AM
Where are the parents in this example you provided of a child being beaten in public? The first thing I would do in this theoretical yet terrible situation is question where the parents are. The second thing I would do is not get involved. Bodily harm is a broad term and protection against it in the form of STDs is a great start by the industry. Anal tearing can be treated by the very same medical professionals who are involved in treating sexual diseases. Testing will become more stringent due to these terrible outbreaks brought on by transient outsiders in the industry. When you are a professional you deal with the hazards of your chosen career. To undermine a craft in the name of shining morality is just as bad as your idea of "rape" or "abuse".
Even if 'rough' scenes are 100% consensual (and I'm sure the vast majority are) I still have a hard time getting inside the head of any girl who allows herself to be pseudo-raped/beaten on camera for the masturbatory amusement of others. I'm not being judgemental here, nor am I moralising; I love my porn as nasty as the next guy. I just seek to comprehend the mindset that makes (some) women do this. I understand some people have a masochistic condition whereby they actually derive pleasure from this kind of treatment but my question is: why not do it privately? Why commit it to film - and, by extension, the Internet - where any fruit-loop who can't distinguish fantasy from reality can view it? I know the same arguments have been (wrongly) levelled at milder forms of XXX - as well as mainstream films/TV/literature - since time immemorial but the recent, insidious rise of this sort of 'extreme' material is an undeniably disturbing trend. Is this the only place porn has left to go?
Doing it in private sounds like more dangerous territory than doing it in a sanctioned environment with actors. There is a reason there is an outlet for this type of art. The cliche "Don't try this at home" comes to mind..
That last comment is ridiculous and completely emotional. If I was trying to undermine this I wouldn't be here saying I enjoy it. I am on a forum for people who enjoy this 'craft' and want to discuss it with likeminded people. The whole reason I am discussing this is because I care about the performers and their health/safety. Being ignorant to any form of abuse and bullying within this industry, which I believe we both care about, is just as bad as rape and abuse because we pretending it's not happening. My example above was about not turning a blind eye to something we can try and prevent. Playing the hazard card as well is not helpful because this only adds to that ignorance. This isn't some extreme sport where people choose to take that risk that no-one but themselves can be blamed for. If someone is being abused then it's because of another person or people mistreating the other. You ask ANY of the performers whether they think abuse is a hazard we should choose to overlook and I'm sure they will think you're mad. I remember one performer on here saying that after her horrendous experience at the hands of one well known site that no-one should every have to go through that. And that's my point. No-one should get abused at all. Working on stamping this out will only prove the maturity of this industry and give it backbone when facing the media. I'm no different to anyone else in this world who only wants to help and improve the conditions within an industry I am supporting. This isn't shining morality. This is constructive. Edited by - Hobby on 1/30/2014 6:54:07 PM Edited by - Hobby on 1/30/2014 6:56:56 PM
You are wrong Hobby. Porno is the closest thing to extreme sports there is involving sex. You are so focused on this idea of porn stars being abused when you forget to realize one thing: They put themselves in this career by choice. Just like any choice any of us make we must deal with the consequences. That being said you seem to think abuse runs rampant in an industry with professionals and legal protection. One scene with Nacho Vidal( which I watched) doesn't represent an entire industry. The scene you brought up isn't as intense as you word it and the actress starts "breaking down" near the end of the scene. Did you ever think maybe they asked her to do so to intensify the impact of the scene? Also to fool naïve people like you? If you care so much about them do something about it instead of argue about it on a message board. My emotions had no part in any of my posts. I didn't threaten to break anyone's spine or allege to ruin someone's life by revealing what they "really are". Most of these actors who do extreme porn lead normal lives and most of their loved ones know what they do. In your reality they are abused and broken people who need to be defended by keyboard warriors. At the end of the day the product will still continue and get more brutal. It's what me the consumer wants. Now if you excuse me I have Angel Allwood's scene to view. She gets her shit pushed in the latest Hardcore Gangbang scene. You archaic argument reeks of the same stench of people who attack violent videogames. Using videogames as a scapegoat for something that predates it. Same with this type of porn. Worry about the REAL rape and abuse going on instead of other people's fantasies. Must we downgrade our intellect to dissect the difference between reality and fantasy? Edited by - Mutantmo on 1/31/2014 3:24:24 AM
If you're emotion wasn't involved you wouldn't be getting personal in each post. I've very clearly stated that I don't believe this to be a majority so not rampant. I have also clearly stated that I understand that even a minority is enough to justify improving an industry I enjoy and support. I have continually tried to provide a balanced view and say that I am here to discuss constructively and ration my own emotion, but every response from you has in effect accused me of generalising the whole industry whilst casting me as a villain. You clearly don't read my posts properly and you leap to the emotionally charged defence of an industry assuming that I am a porn hater I came here because I found a few scenes difficult wanting to discuss what how I felt and my worries. You are now jumping up and down practically saying, 'You hate porn. You hate porn. You don't know anything'. You're responses are now antagonistic and angry whilst taking points out of context. I didn't threaten anyone - I was making a point which you miss again and again and instead you wave it in the air as if I am criminal. At least I have the confidence and honesty to say I wasn't comfortable with my emotion and can we talk about what I saw? Isn't this a forum and isn't this what it is for? I know I'm not the only porn lover here (rough sex porn at that) who cares enough to discuss problems in the industry. I've seen it time and time again on this very forum. If you don't want to or cannot be constructive about this and intelligent enough to understand that then I suggest you stop responding and find someone else to scream blue murder at. Take out the misunderstandings and irrational target attacks and I actually like what you are saying. The comments you make in-between form the discussion I like. Think about it before you once again leap to the defence of an industry I am NOT attacking. Edited by - Hobby on 1/31/2014 5:02:00 AM Edited by - Hobby on 1/31/2014 6:41:45 AM Edited by - Hobby on 1/31/2014 6:43:00 AM
I did a little reading and I found "troll-like" behavior in my posts. You are an intelligent person and those are the last people that should be antagonized. I'll end this no-sided argument right here but I must say it was quite fun. I haven't had a nice exchange like that in a message board in a while. I do apologize for labeling you as a "porn-hater" and mislabeling what you said. Keep supporting porn and I promise to actually read posts instead of have knee-jerk reactions just like the good ol' days of message board trolling. The remorse came from the realization that I was attacking a fellow porn fan. Edited by - Mutantmo on 1/31/2014 3:18:22 PM
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Some passionate debates goin on here. I personally enjoy seein girls pushed past their limits and struggle emotionally during a scene. I like to see them slapped around and gagged til they throw up. It's just a sick fetish some of us have. Just like some people, myself NOT included, get off on watchin girls eat poop or have sex with animals. To each his own, I always say Edited by - LeeKingsboro on 1/31/2014 4:19:06 PM
