Hey guys, Long time reader of this forum and others. Just looking to get opinions from people here on the subject of white guys who like to watch black men with white women. I've been watching this genre of porn for the last 15 years ever since my mid-teens almost exclusively. Obviously, it's grown in popularity recently and was wondering about what people thought about this trend. I've tried to figure out why I watch it and keep returning to it. I think it's because I like the contrast and taboo nature of it, but there's likely more to it than that. Sometimes I've even struggled with it and feel kind of ashamed that I like it. But still keep coming back to it. I guess my question for the white guys is if you ever thought about and wonder why you like watching BM/WF porn so much? Do you ever feel bad about it? And for the black guys and white women here, do you think it's really weird that some white guys love this stuff? Would you look down on someone for having this fetish? Thanks for any replies.
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stoneblade Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 4 2016 : 3:06PM
I do watch it as a white guy. I really like the contrast of skin color, I think it makes the girls look even hotter when they are next to a black guy. Every girl in the 'Blacked' series looks way hotter than in all there other scenes. However I only enjoy it, if the girl seems into it. Most white girls can't take the monster's length and look to be in pain, which to me is a boner killer, and I think it's quite prominent in the 'Blacked' series. Lastly, as of late, I think the porn industry has portrayed black men very badly. They appear to almost 'rape' the girls in some story-lines, and act way too 'ganagsta' and are portrayed like savages too often. Black male pornstars are chosen almost exclusively for having large monster penises, whereas white male pornstars don't need to be distinctly hung. Where are the black equivalents of Charles Vera or Steven St Croix? Most black men fall into the average echelons of penis size In addition girls 'holding off' for IR scenes further supports the taboo of it.
I am black I like watching white women in porn because the porn is much more varied. I like cuckold porn largely because of the power play between the women and the cuckold. To me it is part of an interesting form of emasculation play. While a lot of cuckold porn is interracial I am not watching it for a black guy to be the stud. Now some white males I believe like seeing a black guy with a white women because it is sort of emasculating to them. But I think some others like it because they think it defiles the woman being with a black guy. The Daddy's biggest nightmare series for instance.
I don't think you should feel ashamed whatever your reason is for liking it.
^ I think this gets at the most common reasoning behind the interest. One of my absolute favourite scenes ever, and one that I watch very regularly, is Johnnie Keyes and Sharon Thorpe in SEXWORLD. The scene is hot and amazingly shot regardless of race, but there is no denying that race plays a factor in it. The lust expressed by Thorpe regarding what she finds to be a landmark, taboo moment in her life (specifically connected to her witnessing of a black man presented in a sexual way, fucking a white woman, in the 1970s) is what makes the scene so very exciting. In answer to the OP, no I would not judge unless there was some sort of mean-spirited attitude behind it. I don't mean if it was rooted in racial tensions (it is, always) but rather if the person was hateful and racist/misogynistic in real life. Fantasy is fantasy. We are all raised in a fucked up culture and make our eroticism out of it.
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10
Posted - Dec 5 2016 : 8:13PM
I'd still rather watch White male/Black female IR porn. How about some "cuckold porn" with a Black couple, and a White guy does the wife in front of her husband. The Black wife complains that she wants some big cock, and the Black husband believes the "myth" and tells her "it ain't gonna get any better than this, baby." In walks Danny D. Discuss...
we the people in order to form a more perfect union... 518 Posts 12/03
Posted - Dec 7 2016 : 4:42AM
Not trying to be mean or anything like it but to the OP personally I do not care what kind of porn you or anybody else watches. That is your business. Your tastes are your tastes. Besides who is anyone to judge?
I Like the contrast, of black and white. The Lighter the white woman and the darker the black male the better. And it goes vice versa as well with white male / black women.
Awesome response! Seems rare to find a black guy's thoughts on why some white dudes like watching black men bone white girls. I visit an IR board from time to time and it seems all the black guys HATE the cuck porn sub-genre. Cool to see and I think you're one of the few I've seen admit to liking it. I wouldn't mind watching some of these scenes if the actors were just voyeurs or got in on some action. But, the cleanup stuff should go in the bi/gay section. You also hit on another point and that is of emasculation. No one really talks about it. I also have the IR/Hotwife fantasy and there's no doubt that there is a dominant/alpha/stud pleasuring your wife thing too and by it's very nature the voyeur is being submissive. Thanks for the reply.
I completely agree. I don't quite get it at all although some like to make it a fetish or an issue. I'm pretty certain that what matters at the end of the day is how people connect on screen and with myself as a viewer. A great scene or a poor scene is just that regardless of who it involves.
Same, cuck is not a problem. They are derivation of group and swapping scenes which I love. It's just when the focus is simply on humiliation of the cuck or locking into the cuck that is not involved with the action at all. Then there are the cuck directors who are disguising bisexual and gay porn as cuck porn. Those cuck scenes where guys are eating nut, getting pegged out, or licking cooch while the girl is getting plugged in the butt, that is not straight porn imo. But I'm assuming it's enough white guys(the largest consumer base of all porn) that demand it, so supply meets the demand
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 13 2016 : 10:50PM
I also dig this. I like black-on-black porn too. The reason I was attracted to BM/WF porn was because it tended to feature curvier women, including latina girls, with bigger butts and there seemed to more of a sense of fun and passion more often in this kind of porn. I'm thinking of old Justin Slayer, Black Ice, WCP stuff.
I think it depends entirely on the chemistry between those involved and how the scene is set up, just as in any other kind of porn. Scenes with Sean Michaels for example are nearly always hot because he usually conveys a real delight and enjoyment of whoever he is with, even though he's doing something he's done a thousand times before. Some of those Dogfart Watching Mommy Go Black have quite amusing scenarios. On the other hand some IR can be just as mechanical and boring as anything else. I'm not into Cuck porn of any kind, but different strokes as they say. What I would say to the OP is please don't have any negative feelings. Just carry on enjoying it!
Have you ever thought about why you like to watch it though? Do you find it weird that you like it? What is it you think you like about it? BTW, i've seen that scene more than a few times. It's a great scene.
I'm not a big fan of IR in any way, but I have no problem with it. If there's a hot movie/scene that's well paced with a hot white chick I'll purchase/watch it. I like Jules Jordan's The Brother Load series.
Sorry, I'm relatively new here. But I'm assuming you are a chick. What if your BF or Husband watched nothing but BM/WF porn? Would it bother you at all? Would you make any judgements?
I am a chick indeed. If my husband watched nothing but BM/WF porn, it would bother me because a) that would be boring to watch the same thing all the time and b) that would mean he weren't interested in sharing in my porn tastes. Mutual porn indulgence is an important part of our relationship (and would be for me in any relationship). But no, I would not be bothered at all by a sexual viewing proclivity based on race or combination of partners.
^ there are a plethora of people that will only watch white guys and likewise a following that only watches black guys. They are very reluctant to watch an type of B/G that involves the other. How would that dynamic factor into everything? For me, when it comes to professional stuff, I am very picky but when I drop to the amateur ranks, almost anything goes
I'm European ,I watch IR porn and non IR porn either W/W B/B or A/A and I have no problem whether the black one if the male or the female , actually there's a number of black girls I like a lot and thankfully they are more than ever these days who aren't relegated into those obscure "ghetto" sites but are portrayed as glamorous as any other girl , and i really like this. I don't like very much the cuckold scenario , I can watch it as long as the cuck stays out of the way and possibly out of the view , but it's not the case lately and such active cuck IR scenario are increasing at an appalling rate even on Blacked Edited by - LCF on 1/2/2017 5:53:35 PM
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10
Posted - Jan 2 2017 : 9:21PM
Honestly guys, most of us just don't care about the race of the performers, male or female We can enjoy different races and/or ethnic types, when we're in the mood for it, just like we enjoy blonde/brunette/redhead/black hair, tits of all sizes, spinners/bbw, etc., etc., etc. The only criteria I have ever had for the girls is do I find them attractive. There is not a single race/ethnicity that I have not enjoyed (depending on the girls, of course). I'll save discussing males for another day, but I do have criteria there, too. And, surprise, I don't care what race/ethnicity they are either. Sure, the contrast between Black and White skin can be exciting visually. And, of course, many of us (most?) typically don't get to date/fuck women of different racial/ethnic backgrounds than our own, so seeing it in porn can be enjoyable. (And, yes, I do understand that mixed race/ethnic dating is far more common with young people nowadays... maybe because they just don't care, either :) But, seeking out IR -- just because it is IR -- I just don't get what all the fuss is about? FWIW, depicting any kind of negative racial stereotypes is an instant loser, as far as I'm concerned. Edited by - Goldstein on 1/2/2017 9:26:54 PM
Is this directed at me? How would this factor into what? My sex life? The same way as what I described. I wouldn't care other than the monotony and the reluctance/difficulty of sharing a wide variety of porn together. Even then, though, there are lots of different kinds of porn that have different races. I'm sure we could find a diverse set of smut.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 4 2017 : 7:44PM
I think there's little evidence that there are a 'plethora' of viewers with this narrow of taste. Those who insist on BM or WM are a minority on this site and usually niche taste types are the most vocal and even numerous here. Certainly the successful and widespread use of WM and BM performers throughout mainstream porn doesn't seem to back up your claim either. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/4/2017 7:44:32 PM
^ well there are basically 2 or 3 consistent high budget paysites that feature BM as much or more than WM. And when the BM are featured, they have to be shot with WF and in some of type of cuckold or hotwife scenario, satisfying fetishes of all white couples All the other big paysites basically have like a 100:1 WM-BM scene ratio. The sites that shoot BM regularly tend to be bonded with sister sites that give white guys the girls they wont shoot with Black guys Moreover, there are only two black performer-directors(Lex and LT) and all the other black directors do not shoot an equal amount of bm and wm whereas WM shoot all their personal dreamgirls and then drop an ir title or two to pull in those extra consumers. For example, how come Darkko always shares his wild POV bj movies with Burbank? How come when he put a black guy in it, a white guy always has to be in the scene with the black guy? There was a time when Slayer, Pumper, and DeVoe could go toe-to-toe when anybody shooting whatever they felt, but those days are long gone. Now it's shoot this or else
^ largest consumer demographic = white males largest demographic of IR viewers = white males who are these hotwife and cuckold fetishes meant for? Black females, Asian Lesbians? how come the reverse palette with Black Cuck and Black Female with White Guy aren't remotely as popular? I mean ZZ tried it before and totally bombed the scene. It got taken down within two days of launch. They made a poor choice for the female talent, wont say her name, Ms. "I do Veggie IR so that counts" I mean, there are performers, like Janet Mason and Katrina Jade, that hotwife their husbands on set of shoots. All this new IR centers around "BIG BLACK" + "INNOCENT TINY WHITE" or some type of infidelity or secret taboo rendezvous. It's been engineered as a real-life stigma similar to the rise of the incest genre, which again, is geared to one specific audience
^ Largest is very different from All, you said ALL also how is that the demographic counts on wensdays but not on thursdays? when it's said that black performers and scenes with blacks are paid less because of the market , then fuck the market it's racism but when it comes to something else ,then the market is our god . IR porn is a niche porn, cuckold porn is a niche porn, IR cuckold is niche porn inside niche porn go figure Who watch it, well I don't know those who like the women involved perhaps? I watch it as long as the cuckold stays out of the way as much as possible , also 90% of porn involves cheating scenarios hence "cuckold porn" the different is that the cuckold is not there , that's the only difference. Also your demographic basis is flawed to say the least , you say that white couples like it becouse whites have the numbers , so would you say that black people do not like hamburgers because the whites win the demograpgics? In this case perecentages apply , you should say how many porn consumers actually prefer cuckold scenarios and among them what are the percentages divided by race, then you will see how much those percentages actually differ from the demographis or if they are equal . But mind you black on latino doesn't sell well , that means that a significan portion of whites don't even watch IR porn let alone IR cuckold porn Edited by - LCF on 1/6/2017 3:53:09 PM
Lena Paul asked her followers why they liked BM/WF porn. I guess she too was puzzled why a straight white guy would like to see it.
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Dragon Sign Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 8 2017 : 10:40AM
Up until about 2008 I could pretty much go by without watching black dudes. Then so many tiny member started showing up. As if I was in the need of some antidote, I just took them under consideration one by one. Up untill around 2008 I had seen sleepy black guys like Jack Napier, Shorty Mac and who ever the fuck, so I wasn't that high on the schedule. They were like NOT my cup of cocksupply. Now the wind has changed, but I can't say tired black dudes gives me any great moments. I likev them to be on clock. Not tired and allconsumed, like in a way sleeping thru work.
Thanks for the reply. Oh, I would definitely accommodate my girlfriend's interests as well. I just wanted to know what chicks thought of this porn genre and if you find it bizarre or weird that some white doods are into this.
I mainly like watching porn where A)I find the woman attractive, and while there are indeed beautiful women of all races I am mainly attracted to Nordic looking women. And B) The guys schlong is bigger than mine (and since I am on the larger side most of those guys in porn happen to be black)
I think I remember seeing that too, on her Twitter page. Sort of rubbed me the wrong way.
I'm White and prefer BM / WF ( Including Latinas, Asian, etc ) porno. To me it's the most hardcore and the fantasy of the taboo of it. I don't consider myself a "cuck" and not gay / bi either. I'm not prejudice or racist but I like a mix of Black male actors, the humble gentleman type and the trash talkers like Wesley Pipes too. Then throw in the IR creampie genre, even more hardcore / taboo with the fantasy of these starlets getting knocked up by these studs. The first piece of pornography I accidentally stumbled across was a three-fold 8mm brochure with a Black guy and White guy with blonde babe, this might have something to do with my preference.
It shouldn't be weird for other porn enthusiasts or XXX industry people to understand this, I would expect this from non-porn people. Why I was a little annoyed with the Lena Paul post. I actually buy the DVD's and join the sites to support the industry vs the people that get the crappy video posts on free sites.
Or more likely she wanted to know so she can perform better and sell her scenes
I'm really puzzled by many reasoning here and especially those from some proclaimed black and straight guys .
First off many debates here and especially some heated ones are from black guys who want IR porn and black performers seen as "regular porn" (for lack of better words) the girl should not be paid more for it (even though the producers DO earn more from them and yet the one creating such top selling product shouldn't) IR should not be fetish, black girl shouldn't be paid less than their white counterparts and so on
But then sone topic appear implying not only that iR isn't regular porn, is demasculinizing porn, the white guys watching it are implyied as sissies (again for lack of better words) or even that straight white guys shouldn't watch it at all , of course failing to explain why a black man who want a porn scene with some other naked man in there is actually a very straight man , and don't even explain why such naked man has to be a white one. I mean some analist might even imply that man needs reassurances about his manhood from the white man watching and approving , I mean why the need to watch such scenes , surely it's not just the girl , there would be no need of any other man , but it is apparent that all those "cuckold porn lovers2 watch such scenes because of the man , they aren't satisfied by watching a cheating wife, it has to happen in front of a man . I wonder why...
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Posted - Apr 19 2019 : 10:04PM
I'm a black male and I've also wondered why interracial (bm/wf) is such a big and popular category. I have nothing against it, I just want to see a hot scene. I can also imagine a time when it may have been considered taboo, therefore exciting. But in 2019 I wonder why it still resonates with so many fans. Perhaps I'm simply naive and we haven't come as far racially as I would have thought. And who is buying most of it, black men or white men?
I have been into BM/WF porn since the late 70s when Mimi Morgan did her hot scene with Johnny Keyes in Black Heat. Connie Peterson did a number of hot scenes where she had sex with a BBC as did Susan Nero.
I believe there are several reasons white people like or gravitate to IR (BM/WF) porn. Not everyone enjoys it for the same reasons though. I always see some people complaining that they don't like that it's seen as a fetish and that it should simply be seen as two people having sex. And yes, sometimes IR porn is simply that...two people having sex that just happen to be different races/colors. However, other times it is a fetish that plays to a certain type of fantasy. If you look around this site and I have to imagine most others you'll begin to notice that most or at least a lot of fans don't have much interest in watching typical sex scenes where it's simply two people having "normal" sex. They tend to like scenes where the girl is dominated and done things to and to see how far and how much can be done to the girl. That's why we have painful anal, slapping, spitting, gangbangs, pissing, throat gagging, etc., etc., being done to a girl but almost never are those things done to the guy. IR plays into this fantasy of the girl being ravished/punished by a big black penis. The big the penis, the better. If you'll notice, the second a girl announces she's ready to do IR most fans will start naming the biggest black penis for her to be with not the best performer. For some of that group of fans the fact that the guy is black enhances things and if he's thug, criminal, or some other stereotype that makes him "edgy" or dangerous or someone that shouldn't be with the white girl in the scene adds to the fantasy/fetish. Basically, they like the taboo aspect. That's why at various times in porn and at various studios they would play up the negative BBC stereotypes and they'd be big sellers.
As times change and more people jump on the PC bandwagon (which isn't a totally bad thing), less people want to see certain types of stereotypes played up, so lots of "BLACKZILLA" type titles and girls using the "n" word in scenes started to fade away. Less thugs. Less criminals. But white girl getting ravished by BBC still exists but it's done in a less harsh scenario and context mostly.
And absolutely, the biggest consumer of IR porn is white males. But this tends to true of most things.
^ I agree and add one thing Blacked started as a glamorous type of porn and the black guys in there were far less thug looking than how they are now, the first they had were Prince, Jason brown , Flash Brown neither of which looked like any thug, they also had Charlie Macc but people were complaining he didn't fit the role as the others did , but then their pool begun to shift to some kind of thug looking type of guy , full of tattoos , thick golden accessories and the likes now they have guys like Louie Smalls or Jason Luv and both are much more unfitting the original type than Charlie Macc was even though they behave very normal the latter plays as a "rockstar" thus his appearance would fit whatever it is plus there's always a bottle or some glass of champagne in the scene as clear proof of a man on taste and belonging to higher ranked men of society ,the other plays the sportsman and, again his appearance could fit whatever it was. While the first one played often as business men or neighbors in a high society neighborhood fitting the role, the other two would not unless playing a role that can justify their look. We're still far and beyong the stereotype I think ,sportsmen or rockstars who are white aren't this much different from them , so they still play a role who isn't "a black role2 but something in which the guys happen to be black, furthermore the scene have a script sometimes related to other scenes so eveything is a lot less stereotyped than the "blackzilla" ones still the physical kind of the black guys in the series is shifting to a more fetished one. I have to add that both the guys perform good ,Jason Luv is a lot more passionate than many others out there
I think I like it so much because it's so far removed from my reality. I'm white and generally date non-white women, so this combination does not remind me of my real life in any way.
I also think Blacked was a real game-changer for me and many others. There's just nothing else that measures up.
The "contrast of color" argument is pure crap. Just watch a black female fucking a white guy then. Maybe racism is sexually arousing for those who enjoy this kind of porn, I personally can't bear it. If I understand it correctly, american people still link interracial sex with the slavery in their past, in a way that it would be a sort of liberation or a historical retribution, hence the fetish. Not being american, I can relate more with a different but even more abhorring genocide, the Shoah. Imagine you had porn involving jews and nazis, another taboo scenario since interracial sex meant death for both the lovers. Honestly, would someone be turned on by it? I don't think so and it's the same concept.
I'm sorry but I think you're going way too far with your comparison. For one, you are assuming everyone who likes the color contrast is into black women. That's not the case as a lot of US white men are not.
Second, it's really unfair to say we associate this with something as negative as slavery. IDK if you've seen Blacked, but they do a good job of portraying both the black men and white women in a very positive light.
^^ I'm not American either I don't share any of their racial obsessions and that is why I wouldn't dare to explain their attitude toward IR , nor I would generalize their motives , I might discuss with a single one , but I wouldn't dare generalize. The contrast of color does matter for example in Japanese porn even when they are pxellated you can still see what's going on just because the dick is unmistakebly a black dick. Anyway I do watch WM/BM porn , though I don't watch IR porn just because it is IR I watch porn I don't give a flying fuck whether the male is white or black or whatever the women are what I'm interested in while watching a scene.
Anyway actually there are many jewish pornstar who never seemed to have any problem performing with Austrian or German performers
As for the nazi well actually it has been done in Mainstream Cinema. "The Night Portier" was a movie whose story was the abusive sexual relationship between an SS in a nazi camp and a Jewish prisoner in a lager, after the war they met again and they then continued their sexual relationship but this time willingly, Dirk Bogarde played the SS and Charlotte Rampling portrayed the Jewish
^For me it is purely a question of contrast as I enjoy the difference in skin color between the performers be they a BM/WW or a BW/WM. One of my all time favorite performer was Sahara(see below link) and part of her appeal was that she was all an all natural rather petite performer with no body art but the other part is that she was often paired with white men and I like the contrast between her and them.
