Who are the most xtreme producers in hardcore

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fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - May 29 2007 : 6:05PM Who are the producers who are the most extreme in the way they treat female talent--especially new female talent. I'm compiling information for the producer database that new talent can access so they know what they are in for with each producer. Who pisses the most on girls, who uses the most verbal abuse, the most degrading scenes, the most shocking content. Please provide examples. Thanks Jim Powers is first on the no-list. Edited by - fundo on May 29 2007 [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - May 29 2007 : 11:20PM I would say in Gonzo a lot of the producers are prob. a little agressive but they probably have to be to get their product produced. [Link]
PL Senior Member God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer 1726 Posts 10/03	Posted - May 29 2007 : 11:26PM Jim Powers? I'd say ol Max Hardcore has him beat by a country mile.... "The universe is hostile, So impersonal. Devour to survive." - Tool [Link]
AlexPanzer Deactivated User 1593 Posts 6/03	Posted - May 30 2007 : 1:13AM Ekstream! [Link]
tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04	Posted - May 30 2007 : 4:52AM I've never understood what's so extreme about Max Hardcore. I don't hate his movies and think some are good, but nothing all that extreme. Ok, he: 1. smears lipstick all around their lips. I guess that's his way of "degrading" them. Whatever. 2. uses dildos repaired with duck tape 3. uses metal bondage devices on women's mouths and then cums in their mouth. 4. I guess calling women sluts and whores is extreme or something. Oh yeah, he also hangs out at parks waiting for chil..err adults dressed like schoo...err college girls. 5. Oh wait, he pushes their rectums through their vaginas. Ooops, forgot that one! 6. Gaping Asses. Nothing that special that i've seen yet. Sure, there is fisting, puking and golden showers but that's all in only his stuff made outside the USA. Compared to some other stuff out there it's really nothing too extreme. As for being the most extreme, that's such a joke. No chance of that happening. Some of his fisting stuff is really pathetic and you shouldn't advertise it as containing fisting when it does not. Kinda like that "Violation of.." series. I don't know why, but I seem to think that a lot of the gonzo stuff made in the last few years is much more "hardcore", maybe not so much extreme. First you have double anal, creampies, enemas where the women shoot milk out of their ass and then lick it up and whatever else I can't come up with. Hell, max only seems to film himself. How can you be all that extreme with only one person every single movie. I'm curious to know...what is the name of his movie where he had Catalina puking? Probably not sold anymore, but i'm curious. Ohh, for the answer. The most extreme stuff is sold in Japan by far. I'd go with AVS-Video, Natural High and Gloryquest. SOD (Soft on Demand) did once, but they've toned down their stuff for some reason. Now it's all Vivid type stuff it seems. [Link]

Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - May 30 2007 : 12:23PM Those guys behind the Kit Kat Club. They're sick beyond words and not always sick in a good way. [Link]
BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01	Posted - May 30 2007 : 12:29PM More people piss on girls? Who? I've only seen Max Hardcore piss on and in chicks. As far as American directors go. But I've seen a lot of sicker Euro stuff, and since I only speak one language, I couldn't begin to list the names of the Euro producers. I'm not too big on the verbal abuse, it gets old fast, but I love the degrading/shocking stuff, so please keep the list going and share it. *- -B -I -G -m -i -k -e, here and there, over and out! - -* [Link]
fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - May 30 2007 : 2:39PM Thanks for the start of the list. If producers are going to make extreme content they won't have it so easy to fool new talent into performing for them. The new database will enable those who want to take advantage of it to get a feel for what they are in for. If they want to shoot with these producers fine, hopefully some will be turned off by working with them and it won't just be pornstarperformance dot com ragging on talent anymore. Any bad experience with a producer will go up, like a review board. Big Mike check out facial abuse if you haven't already. Luke will advertise the new site if I pay him (and I will) and the female talent will get the word out or even use the new site to get even. Jim Powers Max Hardcore Kit Kat Club (Looking into them) Ekstream Facial Abuse (They piss on newbies too scared to say no) The Mask (Heard some scary stories about this one) Khan Tusion Edited by - fundo on 5/30/2007 2:40:16 PM [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - May 30 2007 : 2:43PM Kit Kat Club (Looking into them) Click to expand Warning! Their movies include guys shitting on the face of the girls and that kind of abuse! I once saw a guy double fisting a girls ass and when he pulled out I saw the biggest gape ever. The Mask (Heard some scary stories about this one) Click to expand Nothing scary about it. Just some pornstar wearing a mask pretending to be an amateur having sex with pro-pornstars. Tame and very weak. Avoid. [Link]
tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04	Posted - May 31 2007 : 5:12AM Why do you say that? Because your little Julea London swallowed about 4 beer cans worth of my piss? Give her a nice big kiss for me. Remember asswipe.. Before she was out in LA she was in a seedy motel taking piss in the mouth like a champ. Are you always such a captain save a hoe? Tiffaney Holiday took a good stream in the mouth too a few months later.. Ohh wait, she's not a newb. Can you say refuted?? Duke Click to expand Is someone having a bad day? Awww... [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:11AM mod: knock off the name calling, Duke. Thanks. [Link]
RonK Big Double Everything Fan Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01	Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:25AM Ramsey wrote: Kit Kat Club (Looking into them) Click to expand Warning! I once saw a guy double fisting a girls ass and when he pulled out I saw the biggest gape ever. Click to expand Was the girl getting double anal fisted cute? I haven't seen a true double anal fisting of a gal. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:12AM Was the girl getting double anal fisted cute? Click to expand I wish I could remember that but I can't. It was way back like 1999 when I rented a VHS tape from them. It was the first and last Kit Kat Club movie i saw. I remember the girl hanging in some kind of slingshot but that's all. [Link]
tookie Member 732 Posts 11/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 2:42PM hey duke is this piss drinking ont facial abuse site? [Link]
fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 3:55PM Duke Skywalker wrote: Why do you say that? Because your little Julea London swallowed about 4 beer cans worth of my piss? Give her a nice big kiss for me. Remember asswipe.. Before she was out in LA she was in a seedy motel taking piss in the mouth like a champ. Are you always such a captain save a hoe? Tiffaney Holiday took a good stream in the mouth too a few months later.. Ohh wait, she's not a newb. Can you say refuted?? Duke Click to expand Duke, thanks for making my point about producers like you for me. I know the other side of the story--and what you say above doesn't mention the coercion that you used to get the scene with Julea London. What female performer, new to the business, will ever want to work with you after they read the comments above, which will be on the new site. And Luke is going to have alot of new reports about extreme producers to post on his website, courtesy of any female talent that want to make a report about a bad experience with a producer. Duke, did you see that Max Hardcore has been indicted? Maybe you'll be next: "MAY 31–If federal prosecutors get their way, Uncle Sam will one day own the web site pissedonpornstars.com. That’s because Paul Little–described as a "Hollywood director and producer" in a Department of Justice press release–has been indicted on federal obscenity counts... As described in the ... films featuring acts such as anal penetration, urination, insertion of an entire hand into a vagina or anus, vomiting, and severe violence" towards female performers. The government seeks forfeiture of Little’s web sites, maxhardcore.com, catalinaxx.com, and pissedonpornstars.com, and several films referred to in the indictment." Duke, the purpose of the new website for female talent to refer to before deciding to work with porn producers like you is first so they can be better informed. Obviously when a future performer, not yet in the business, makes use of the new database where you are listed, she'll know that you plan on treating her this way, and if she still wants to work for you, then you'll get a better scene. On the other hand, I hope that new talent by and large refuses to work with you and all other extreme producers. When it is hard for you to recruit new talent for your productions thanks to the female talent reading your comments in the above post I'll bet all the hot new talent avoids your productions. That will make it hard for you to compete in adult with producers who they want to work with. Escorts already have a system like this--a way to out unpleasant johns aka hobbyists so that the next girl doesn't see them. The hobbyist is then forced to change his identity. But it won't be so easy for a porn producer such as yourself to change your identity. These are the producers on the list that will be the subjects of the first negative reports from performers so far. I deleted The Mask because Ramsey was right and the report I alluded to had to do with an aledged inacurate test issue back in 2004. Thank you for the clarification. Duke Floored/Facial Abuse (Duke pisses on newbies too scared to say no. Jim Powers Max Hardcore Kit Kat Club (Looking into them) Ekstream Khan Tusion The new website is set to be online on July 4, 2007. All female talent can count on total secrecy if they choose to report a producer. Positive reports about producers are also encouraged. Just email me. Edited by - fundo on 5/31/2007 4:10:57 PM [Link]

LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 4:08PM Duke, the purpose of the new website for female talent to refer to before deciding to work with porn producers like you is first so they can be better informed. Obviously when a future performer, not yet in the business, makes use of the new database where you are listed, she'll know that you plan on treating her this way, and if she still wants to work for you, then you'll get a better scene. Click to expand Okaaaaay, lemme make sure I got your business plan straight here.... You are on a mission to help educate the uninformed massess of new porn starlets who come into the industry by listing all the bad producers out there according to what you classify as "unacceptable" behavior. This can range from calling them whores to acts of depravity, etc. Now, as your target audience is uniformed would-be porn starlets, they don't know anything about the industry yet, so they don't know the conventional wisdom about who they should avoid working with, etc. In other words, they aren't plugged into the grapevine so you are a proxy to that grapevine....right? So where the hell are you gonna advertise your services as a proxy to that grapevine? If they aren't savvy enough to get plugged into the "real" grapevine already, how are you going to get them plugged into your grapevine? Advertise in the back of HS yearbooks or what? You do realize that there is already an industry blacklist website out there, right? And it's pretty comical to read as it has become basically a slander-fest. [Link]
fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:01PM LubeNLuv wrote: You are on a mission to help educate the uninformed massess of new porn starlets who come into the industry by listing all the bad producers out there according to what you classify as "unacceptable" behavior. This can range from calling them whores to acts of depravity, etc. Click to expand Well it will be more like just a convenient place for new talent to get alot of good information and advice about how to approach their careers if they want to be successful. Part of that is not shooting xtreme content when they are new, or overexposing themselves. So there will be information on who the best companies are (like Jules Jordan, Evil Angel, Vivid, Wicked, etc.) and the worst (Faciaal Abuse, Jim Powers, Max Hardcore). Now that the Feds are all over adult thanks to the work of extreme content producers most performers who want to have a long career will avoid them I hope. What new performer wants their scene to be part of a federal case? None. I know from experience that most of the new talent is found at strip clubs by scouts, or introduced to the business by significant others, or other female performers. Using Mypsace, meta tags to force Yahoo and google to pop up the site's URL, and ads placed at lukeisback, the word will get out over the years of this non-profit site. I won't allow it to be used for libelous purposes--any producer who it is advised to avoid will only be there because his/her content is what it is--especially people like Facial Abuse--they are the very people I was referring to in that thread about the "w" word--it's not a term of endearment with them, and new talent, girls who are thinking about the business, they will avoid these producers. [Link]
popdog Member 865 Posts 5/05	Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:08PM What's the website where escorts post about their odd Johns? [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:13PM LubeNLuv is exactly right here. To be honest, anybody who doesn't have enough common sense at 18 years of age to sit down at a computer and do 5 hours of research into the industry she's planning on getting into kinda deserves whatever she gets. I don't even buy a microwave without checking online to see which brands and models get good reviews and which ones get lousy reviews. And I've been doing that for years. My cousin's 15 year old researched MP3 players for a week before she bought one. You can say 18 year olds can be naive. OK. Fine. But at 18, there's no excuse for it that's good enough unless the girl has serious mental problems. And if her problems are that severe, she shouldn't be doing anything without some kind of adviser or caregiver. [Link]
GreenKnight Member 38 Posts 4/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:42PM I sure hope Fundo is added to this database, because working with fundo sounds like a career ending move. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - May 31 2007 : 9:03PM Duke Skywalker wrote: We give the performer a sign lanuage word ... Click to expand That's nice that you also employ the deaf. Job discrimination is un-American. [Link]
GreenKnight Member 38 Posts 4/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 9:05PM I don't think Fundo and the truth are neighbors. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:14PM how are you going to get them plugged into your grapevine? Advertise in the back of HS yearbooks or what? Click to expand [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:54PM Duke, your stuff is trash the girls look like five dollar whores and the male talent belongs in a trailer park, but hey if your making a good living doing it more power to you. [Link]
Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04	Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:59PM This kinda smells like a witchhunt, particularly when relatively few, if any actual "Dorothys" are stepping forward. I presume Duke is ticked, not having cracked the top five. Hows it hanging Duke? Slippery Eel here, you ever hear from The German, BiggmanUK or Stargazer anymore? Miss that ol'motley crew! [Link]

Chico Wang Member 775 Posts 1/04	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:12PM Recently I shot a scene for my good friend Duke at Facial Abuse. I wasn't prepared for how comprehensive the releases were. After all, I'm in Porn Valley and have shot for numerous video and Internet companies where the model releases are roughly about the same. If a girl cannot fathom a "Video" release where every nook and cranny of what's going to happen on the set is detailed and she gives agreement, then there is obviously something wrong. Not only does she sign it but the process is done on video tape as well. I figured that's the way they do it in the East Coast. Now every producer in Porn Valley has horror stories, particularly with new girls who come in, CASH THEIR CHECKS, get caught by their parents or friends, and come out with some wacky story about how they were coerced into doing it. After all, it can't be their fault, could it? The boys at Facial Abuse make sure that every 'i' is dotted and every 't' is crossed. And at anytime, the girl can say NO. After all, none of us are mind readers. To say that they are coercing people like the boys at Meatholes supposedly coerced people (trust me, I was there) is pure bullshit. Nobody at either Meatholes, Facial Abuse or Vivid for that matter coerces any of these girls. The do's and don'ts are well thought out beforehand and presented to the girls well before the Record button is pressed. There is a niche for everything. If there wasn't, everything would be the same. All you have to do is simply move on to the next MILF site or BIG ASS site. It's pretty obvious to me that those who condemn watch the videos in their own perverted way then denounce it after blowing a wad on their belly. Chico Wang Edited by - Chico Wang on 6/1/2007 12:28:14 AM [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:37PM Duke Skywalker wrote: Ohh skronker.. stop it. I mean that if a girl is balls deep on a cock and cant say time out, she can use the hand signal. Click to expand But deaf/mute babes are mad . Just kidding you, Duke ... Is the Julea/piss scene available anywhere? [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:38PM Well stated Chico but you have to admit most on the facialabuse site are pretty fugly, oh well. But seriously Mr. Wang, now you admit Meatholes does coerscion, I keenly remember you making a valiant defense of that series. I appreciate your honesty now. Meathoiles sucks because Khan Thusion is a mal spoken douche. [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 12:46AM its smart to do solid release forms, the powers that be would like nothing more then to jack ur ass. [Link]
Chico Wang Member 775 Posts 1/04	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 1:00AM Trust me Duke, I'm used to releases being done in 2 minutes. Not a comprehensive release that takes 20+ minutes. If you haven't noticed, I'm still a bit traumatized by the ordeal. LOL Paperwork has never been my forte though I think it's a good idea to ensure the girls know everything especially with the whole bunch of amatuers you guys shoot. Chico Wang Duke Skywalker wrote: I'll never forget you calling me up and saying, "dude, wtf is up with your release forms??" lol thx bro Duke Click to expand [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 2:35AM duke, i do am not aware of nic #7, but good reccords is crucial, the feds would like nothing more then to end porn on the internet, like how corporation ruined FM, its in the cards. [Link]
Rasfor Member 23 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 3:25AM Fundo, you strike me as a person incoming talent should be warned about. I just can't see any other motive than you having rampant shining-knight syndrome with a large side of stalker for you doing this stuff. Business-wise and functionally your ideas make absolutely no sense. Financially, since there's no way anyone would pay for the info you propose to collect. If the site, against all reason, became big you could generate some income from people wanting to buy positive "reviews" or getting negative word canceled. Which would make the site useless for the girls. From a helping point of view, the information you propose to collect is already available for any girl willing to take a few hours to research her potentially life-altering career choice. So your site really adds nothing when it comes to information or availability of information. It's also pretty conspicuous that you only make suggestions that are 100 positive for nubile, young women and make no mention of the other actors in the porn industry. That is male actors, both gay and straight, producers who could benefit just as much from a blacklist, distributors and so on. All this makes it look very much like you just want an excuse to come into contact with sexy, young women. Or maybe, even worse, that you're somewhat obsessed with young women á la Taxi Driver. All this makes you look at worst like a stalker waiting to happen, or at best a really sad person with nothing better to do than meddling with women you have no chance of scoring with in another way. I doubt this will help, but you seem in much need of therapy, medication or drastic lifestyle change. Duke Skywalker wrote: no, there is no pissing on my sites. Click to expand Any chance we could get pissing on your sites? ;) Btw, if the thing about Julea is true, rather than ironic, it would be great to know where to get the scene. Seeing that ultra-cute face being defiled seems kind of hot. [Link]
Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04	Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 3:39AM Ohh Man! thats old school! no, sadly I havent heard from anyone from back in the day. How have you been? Duke Click to expand Better than ever! Much like the girlies I've noticed appearing on Facial Abuse. Glad to see all the work, and midnight oil, apparently paid off bro! Edited by - Endless Loop on 6/1/2007 3:41:02 AM [Link]
mjdavis Member 40 Posts 9/06	Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 5:32AM wait wait Luke is on the list but not jules jordan. Jules jordan shith as as much facefucking and intense sex and puking as lukes stuff. I saw one vid where all the girls where trailing with puke on their faces. I admit in jules stuff it looks like the girls more of the girls look like they are into it than lukes site it looks like they are putting up with it. but some of lukes girl seems like they are into it. but if they agreed to do it. Im ean they could just clip on the sample clips too [Link]
fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 4:34PM mjdavis wrote: wait wait Luke is on the list but not jules jordan. Jules jordan shith as as much facefucking and intense sex and puking as lukes stuff. I saw one vid where all the girls where trailing with puke on their faces. Click to expand I don't think that would qualify Jules Jordan Productions to be on the shit list. Its the outright degradation and extreme content that new talent needs to avoid. As for comments about girls who are already in the industry, the new site isn't for them. They already know or are already too far gone or even have too short of a career to be concernced about what newbs need to know. For instance, all new girls need to know that AIM does not test for Herpes and other STDs, and new girls need to demand that anyone they work with be tested for Herpes. If a girl gets Herpes on a producers set, there will be links to several law firms that are friendly to listening to the complaints of prospective clients. As for the site, there will be no email or links available where new talent can contact me. The only links will be to the legitimate talent agencies, and a step by step guide on how to trademark a stage name, use it first in commerce, register a domain name, get photos taken, how to contact Holly Randall and a select group of quality photographers, like Matt at Matt's Models, an explanation of why it is important not to do too much work in the first few months, how talent agencies are really just escort agencies, and the owners motivation is to book talent into as many shoots as possible--even if it isn't good for their career, and also the site is aimed at the so called suitcase pimps and so of the performers, since so many newbies are brought to the business by boyfriends. And of course there will be the short list of the worst, most extreme producers to avoid, with links to their content proving why it should be avoided. And links to the several adult news sites, and a list of the top 20 companies to work for. For the seasoned performers who have been allowing porners to degrade and abuse them, there is no hope. Fortunatley, in 2 years almost 90 percent of the talent will be brand new to the industry. They can be reached. [Link]

Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 5:18PM fundo wrote: All female talent can count on total secrecy if they choose to report a producer. Positive reports about producers are also encouraged. Just email me. Click to expand fundo wrote: As for the site, there will be no email or links available where new talent can contact me. Click to expand Huh? [Link]
fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 7:44PM Flash wrote: Huh? Click to expand Right, not a contradiction at all. If anyone wants to they can email me by clicking the link at adt--my email is set to recieve emails. But there will be no link from the website to my email. Look, I know I'm dealing and debating with porn industry "insiders" and fans, not necessarily the cream of the crop of society at large or this industry either. I could care less about popularity, my income isn't dependent upon the adult industry. This site is going up and there won't be any hiding for producers of obscene content. And its success won't be measured by ad revenue (there will be none) or unique hits. It is successful if one newbie decides to never enter this industry because AIM refuses to test for herpes; or another goes on to be the next Tera Patrick or Jenna and got her first 411 about the industry from this site. And it will be successful if new talent demands of their agents not to be booked with producers who score high on the "creep" factor, like Max Hardcore, Duke Skywalker, Jim Powers, JM Productions and about 25 others. Edited by - fundo on 6/3/2007 7:48:46 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 11:21PM Actually fundo, you are a walking contradiction, you claim to be doing this to help new people to the industry, to help them, yet that doesn't appear to be what is driving this. As you stated in your last post, what you actually appear to be driving at is the companies that you personally find offensive. Which makes you even worse than the government. At least they are making no claims of trying to help the adult industry whereas you make claims of trying to help when you are really just trying to hurt companies that you don't personally like. I may not like the kind of content that Duke Skywalker produces, I can't say for sure since I've never seen his work but from the descriptions it doesn't sound like anything I would like, yet if his model releases are as clear as indicated here he doesn't sound like a bad producer. He comes across as the opposite since he makes sure the actors and actresses know what they are getting into before they do. Yet you continue to reference him as a bad producer. People can't e-mail you through your site, but can here. Therefore claims that you can't be contacted are false, since you can be contacted by anyone capable of finding ADT. From what I've been able to gather through your posts, you don't like the adult film industry very much. Maybe you should look into your other intrests and you would have a happier life. Maybe I've just taken what you are doing wrong and you are just a very misinformed person who is still going to cause more damage than "help". Either way, I think you should look at your life and find ways to make yourself happier. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 11:57PM There's a certain element of our society that drives people to try and save other people from themselves. No matter what anyone ever says and no matter how emphatically the others assure them that they know what they're doing, these crusaders will never understand. When someone is this stubborn, all you can do is let time do it's thing. Unfortunately, these people often do a lot of damage before they even realize what the fuck they're doing. Some people have to learn the hard way. And everybody else has to pay the price for their education. Edited by - randomprecision on 6/3/2007 11:57:09 PM [Link]
YogaDame All-Star Member bien dans ma peau 198 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 1:43AM fundo wrote: This site is going up and... it is successful if one newbie decides to never enter this industry because AIM refuses to test for herpes... Click to expand The price list at aim-med.org quotes a price of $80 for herpes screening (HSV 1 IgG, HSV 2 IgG, and total IgM). The full STD panel, including HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, syphilis, and hepatitis A/B/C is $300 (PCR) or $250 (Elisa). Those prices were current as of January 16, 2006. Has something changed in the past year and a half? Do they no longer offer these services? [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 1:50AM Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? (The Germans? Shhhhh, Fundo's on a roll) Hell NO it wasn't over, and it's not over now! [Link]
Archibald Deactivated User Searching For A Gentleman From Arizona 57 Posts 8/06	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 3:20AM RandomPrecision wrote: LubeNLuv is exactly right here. To be honest, anybody who doesn't have enough common sense at 18 years of age to sit down at a computer and do 5 hours of research into the industry she's planning on getting into kinda deserves whatever she gets. I don't even buy a microwave without checking online to see which brands and models get good reviews and which ones get lousy reviews. And I've been doing that for years. My cousin's 15 year old researched MP3 players for a week before she bought one. You can say 18 year olds can be naive. OK. Fine. But at 18, there's no excuse for it that's good enough unless the girl has serious mental problems. And if her problems are that severe, she shouldn't be doing anything without some kind of adviser or caregiver. Click to expand Geez Random, did you ever bother to think that if these girls were half as disciplined and forward thinking as you and your cousin are that maybe they wouldn't be getting into this business to begin with? [Link]
popdog Member 865 Posts 5/05	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 4:14AM fundo wrote: It is successful if one newbie decides to never enter this industry because AIM refuses to test for herpes Click to expand AIM does test for herpes. AIM Tests But... "The signs and symptoms associated with HSV-2 can vary greatly. Health care providers can diagnose genital herpes by visual inspection if the outbreak is typical, and by taking a sample from the sore(s) and testing it in a laboratory. HSV infections can be difficult to diagnose between outbreaks. Blood tests, which detect HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection, may be helpful, although the results are not always clear-cut." CDC STD Facts Edited by - popdog on 6/4/2007 4:24:27 AM [Link]
magicman Member 88 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 9:30AM Duke, Chico, Is the Chico-directed scene online yet? [Link]
fundo Member "All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee 97 Posts 4/07	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 1:26PM Duke Skywalker wrote: Fundo, watch your step, because your step is being watched. Click to expand Duke, I'm glad you and your assoicates are so concerned about the new website that will list you and all producers new talent should avoid. Of course, you are probably just concerned that the Dept. of Justice is watching your previous steps that you cannot hide, as JM Productions' new banner at the other board suggests. Unfortunately, there is not a thing you can do to stop new talent from avoiding you. When ladies refuse to shoot with you and those like you, and agents stop booking you, you are then dead to the adult industry. All new talent will be advised to avoid producers who might face obscenity prosecutions. For new talent, the fear of working with a company that attracts interest from law enforement should deter almost all of them from working with the banned producers. I've decided that a good way to promote the new site is through myspace and various model networking sites, along with ads at Luke Ford's site and any others that will sell advertising. You will have to wait until July 4, 2007 to judge the integrity of the new site. Here is the "No-List--I'm hopeful that persons with more information will make suggestions about who should or should not be on the list. I will probably not use real names of industry personel at the site, because the purpose of the site is to advise new talent on how to enter porn and make a successful career, and what producers and agents to avoid. New Talent will be advised to avoid these companies: World Modeling Agency - Jim South Sr., Jim South Jr. - Jim South sends unsuspecting female talent new to the biz and only looking to do softer scenes to Max Hardcore Max Hardcore JM (Jeff Mike) Productions - Pissmops (piss mops wesite was taken down because of "fears" of prosecution) Lines: American Bukkake; Gag Factor; Filthy Things: distributed Khan Tusion's Meatholes; indicted for obscenity Ron Sullivan aka Khan Tusion MNP Enterprises LLP - Meatholes, urination, abusing Nicki Hunter who starts crying and screaming; having girls talk about past sexual traumas such as rape or childhood abuse Frank Wank www.facialabuse.com D. Vollenweider, E. Dimeo - D & E Media, LLC - Lines: Facial Abuse: Ghetto Gaggers: Sperm Suckers; owner of www.yellowdiscipline.com; owner of www.facefuckher.com; owner of defaceher.net; owner of Latinaabuse.com Chico Wang, worked with Khan Tusion for over a year with Meatholes where he was the original webmaster Anabolic - Biff Malibu aka Chris Alexander - Khan Tusion's Rough Sex, choking, slapping ======== Somebody mentioned Jules Jordan should be on the list because of certain scenes. I'm not sure Jules Jordan should be on the list--sure, his friends in the industry include the most unsavory types, like Chico Wang and "Duke Skywalker" and of course Jules has had his female friends like Jenna Haze and two others email asking questions; but that aside, is there any evidence that Jules Jordan should be on the no-list? Any rough, violent, vomit-inducing sex from Jules Jordan Video? Edited by - fundo on 6/4/2007 1:37:48 PM [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 2:36PM fundo, what makes you think you're important enough that performers will care about your blacklist? [Link]
ragingbull Deactivated User 404 Posts 5/07	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 4:10PM fundo is this serious or a joke? I agree porn has become more and more mysognistic that is in my opinion because porn can be produced for nothing so producers are in a cut throat competition. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 4:27PM fundo wrote: All new talent will be advised to avoid producers who might face obscenity prosecutions. Click to expand Since that would be all of them, I guess the gals will just have to look for work in some other field. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 5:32PM fundo wrote: Ron Sullivan aka Khan Tusion Click to expand Once again: you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Find a new hobby. Buy a metal detector at the swap meet and go look for buried treasure at the beach or something. [Link]
Yankey Doodel Member 283 Posts 11/05	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 5:37PM Ron Sullivan aka Khan Tusion Click to expand What?! [Link]
Yankey Doodel Member 283 Posts 11/05	Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 5:39PM Oh you beat me, I was playing with the smileys. [Link]

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fundo
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Posted - May 29 2007 : 6:05PM

Who are the producers who are the most extreme in the way they treat female talent--especially new female talent. I'm compiling information for the producer database that new talent can access so they know what they are in for with each producer. Who pisses the most on girls, who uses the most verbal abuse, the most degrading scenes, the most shocking content. Please provide examples. Thanks

Jim Powers is first on the no-list.

Edited by - fundo on May 29 2007

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ragingbull
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Posted - May 29 2007 : 11:20PM

I would say in Gonzo a lot of the producers are prob. a little agressive but they probably have to be to get their product produced.

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PL
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Posted - May 29 2007 : 11:26PM

Jim Powers?

I'd say ol Max Hardcore has him beat by a country mile....

"The universe is hostile, So impersonal. Devour to survive." - Tool

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AlexPanzer
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Posted - May 30 2007 : 1:13AM

Ekstream!

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tmd5
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seika izumi
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Posted - May 30 2007 : 4:52AM

I've never understood what's so extreme about Max Hardcore. I don't hate his movies and think some are good, but nothing all that extreme.

Ok, he:
1. smears lipstick all around their lips. I guess that's his way of "degrading" them. Whatever.
2. uses dildos repaired with duck tape
3. uses metal bondage devices on women's mouths and then cums in their mouth.
4. I guess calling women sluts and whores is extreme or something. Oh yeah, he also hangs out at parks waiting for chil..err adults dressed like schoo...err college girls.
5. Oh wait, he pushes their rectums through their vaginas. Ooops, forgot that one!
6. Gaping Asses. Nothing that special that i've seen yet.

Sure, there is fisting, puking and golden showers but that's all in only his stuff made outside the USA. Compared to some other stuff out there it's really nothing too extreme.

As for being the most extreme, that's such a joke. No chance of that happening.

Some of his fisting stuff is really pathetic and you shouldn't advertise it as containing fisting when it does not. Kinda like that "Violation of.." series.

I don't know why, but I seem to think that a lot of the gonzo stuff made in the last few years is much more "hardcore", maybe not so much extreme.

First you have double anal, creampies, enemas where the women shoot milk out of their ass and then lick it up and whatever else I can't come up with. Hell, max only seems to film himself. How can you be all that extreme with only one person every single movie.

I'm curious to know...what is the name of his movie where he had Catalina puking? Probably not sold anymore, but i'm curious.

Ohh, for the answer. The most extreme stuff is sold in Japan by far. I'd go with AVS-Video, Natural High and Gloryquest. SOD (Soft on Demand) did once, but they've toned down their stuff for some reason. Now it's all Vivid type stuff it seems.

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Ramsey
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Posted - May 30 2007 : 12:23PM

Those guys behind the Kit Kat Club. They're sick beyond words and not always sick in a good way.

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BIGmike
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Posted - May 30 2007 : 12:29PM

More people piss on girls? Who? I've only seen Max Hardcore piss on and in chicks. As far as American directors go. But I've seen a lot of sicker Euro stuff, and since I only speak one language, I couldn't begin to list the names of the Euro producers.

I'm not too big on the verbal abuse, it gets old fast, but I love the degrading/shocking stuff, so please keep the list going and share it.

- -B -I -G -m -i -k -e, here and there, over and out! - -

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fundo
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Posted - May 30 2007 : 2:39PM

Thanks for the start of the list. If producers are going to make extreme content they won't have it so easy to fool new talent into performing for them. The new database will enable those who want to take advantage of it to get a feel for what they are in for. If they want to shoot with these producers fine, hopefully some will be turned off by working with them and it won't just be pornstarperformance dot com ragging on talent anymore. Any bad experience with a producer will go up, like a review board.
Big Mike check out facial abuse if you haven't already. Luke will advertise the new site if I pay him (and I will) and the female talent will get the word out or even use the new site to get even.

Jim Powers
Max Hardcore
Kit Kat Club (Looking into them)
Ekstream
Facial Abuse (They piss on newbies too scared to say no)
The Mask (Heard some scary stories about this one)
Khan Tusion

Edited by - fundo on 5/30/2007 2:40:16 PM

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Ramsey
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Posted - May 30 2007 : 2:43PM

Warning! Their movies include guys shitting on the face of the girls and that kind of abuse! I once saw a guy double fisting a girls ass and when he pulled out I saw the biggest gape ever.

Nothing scary about it. Just some pornstar wearing a mask pretending to be an amateur having sex with pro-pornstars. Tame and very weak. Avoid.

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tmd5
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seika izumi
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 5:12AM

Is someone having a bad day? Awww...

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Hardware

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Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:11AM

mod: knock off the name calling, Duke. Thanks.

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RonK

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Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:25AM

Was the girl getting double anal fisted cute? I haven't seen a true double anal fisting of a gal.

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Ramsey
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:12AM

I wish I could remember that but I can't. It was way back like 1999 when I rented a VHS tape from them. It was the first and last Kit Kat Club movie i saw. I remember the girl hanging in some kind of slingshot but that's all.

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tookie
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 2:42PM

hey duke is this piss drinking ont facial abuse site?

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fundo
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 3:55PM

Duke, thanks for making my point about producers like you for me. I know the other side of the story--and what you say above doesn't mention the coercion that you used to get the scene with Julea London. What female performer, new to the business, will ever want to work with you after they read the comments above, which will be on the new site. And Luke is going to have alot of new reports about extreme producers to post on his website, courtesy of any female talent that want to make a report about a bad experience with a producer.
Duke, did you see that Max Hardcore has been indicted? Maybe you'll be next:
"MAY 31–If federal prosecutors get their way, Uncle Sam will one day own the web site pissedonpornstars.com. That’s because Paul Little–described as a "Hollywood director and producer" in a Department of Justice press release–has been indicted on federal obscenity counts... As described in the ... films featuring acts such as anal penetration, urination, insertion of an entire hand into a vagina or anus, vomiting, and severe violence" towards female performers. The government seeks forfeiture of Little’s web sites, maxhardcore.com, catalinaxx.com, and pissedonpornstars.com, and several films referred to in the indictment."
Duke, the purpose of the new website for female talent to refer to before deciding to work with porn producers like you is first so they can be better informed. Obviously when a future performer, not yet in the business, makes use of the new database where you are listed, she'll know that you plan on treating her this way, and if she still wants to work for you, then you'll get a better scene.
On the other hand, I hope that new talent by and large refuses to work with you and all other extreme producers. When it is hard for you to recruit new talent for your productions thanks to the female talent reading your comments in the above post I'll bet all the hot new talent avoids your productions. That will make it hard for you to compete in adult with producers who they want to work with.
Escorts already have a system like this--a way to out unpleasant johns aka hobbyists so that the next girl doesn't see them. The hobbyist is then forced to change his identity. But it won't be so easy for a porn producer such as yourself to change your identity.
These are the producers on the list that will be the subjects of the first negative reports from performers so far. I deleted The Mask because Ramsey was right and the report I alluded to had to do with an aledged inacurate test issue back in 2004. Thank you for the clarification.
Duke Floored/Facial Abuse (Duke pisses on newbies too scared to say no.
Jim Powers
Max Hardcore
Kit Kat Club (Looking into them)
Ekstream
Khan Tusion
The new website is set to be online on July 4, 2007. All female talent can count on total secrecy if they choose to report a producer. Positive reports about producers are also encouraged. Just email me.
Edited by - fundo on 5/31/2007 4:10:57 PM

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LubeNLuv
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 4:08PM

Okaaaaay, lemme make sure I got your business plan straight here....
You are on a mission to help educate the uninformed massess of new porn starlets who come into the industry by listing all the bad producers out there according to what you classify as "unacceptable" behavior. This can range from calling them whores to acts of depravity, etc.
Now, as your target audience is uniformed would-be porn starlets, they don't know anything about the industry yet, so they don't know the conventional wisdom about who they should avoid working with, etc. In other words, they aren't plugged into the grapevine so you are a proxy to that grapevine....right?
So where the hell are you gonna advertise your services as a proxy to that grapevine? If they aren't savvy enough to get plugged into the "real" grapevine already, how are you going to get them plugged into your grapevine? Advertise in the back of HS yearbooks or what?
You do realize that there is already an industry blacklist website out there, right? And it's pretty comical to read as it has become basically a slander-fest.

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fundo
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:01PM

Well it will be more like just a convenient place for new talent to get alot of good information and advice about how to approach their careers if they want to be successful. Part of that is not shooting xtreme content when they are new, or overexposing themselves. So there will be information on who the best companies are (like Jules Jordan, Evil Angel, Vivid, Wicked, etc.) and the worst (Faciaal Abuse, Jim Powers, Max Hardcore).
Now that the Feds are all over adult thanks to the work of extreme content producers most performers who want to have a long career will avoid them I hope. What new performer wants their scene to be part of a federal case? None.
I know from experience that most of the new talent is found at strip clubs by scouts, or introduced to the business by significant others, or other female performers. Using Mypsace, meta tags to force Yahoo and google to pop up the site's URL, and ads placed at lukeisback, the word will get out over the years of this non-profit site.
I won't allow it to be used for libelous purposes--any producer who it is advised to avoid will only be there because his/her content is what it is--especially people like Facial Abuse--they are the very people I was referring to in that thread about the "w" word--it's not a term of endearment with them, and new talent, girls who are thinking about the business, they will avoid these producers.

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popdog
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:08PM

What's the website where escorts post about their odd Johns?

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:13PM

LubeNLuv is exactly right here. To be honest, anybody who doesn't have enough common sense at 18 years of age to sit down at a computer and do 5 hours of research into the industry she's planning on getting into kinda deserves whatever she gets.
I don't even buy a microwave without checking online to see which brands and models get good reviews and which ones get lousy reviews. And I've been doing that for years. My cousin's 15 year old researched MP3 players for a week before she bought one.
You can say 18 year olds can be naive. OK. Fine. But at 18, there's no excuse for it that's good enough unless the girl has serious mental problems. And if her problems are that severe, she shouldn't be doing anything without some kind of adviser or caregiver.

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GreenKnight
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 6:42PM

I sure hope Fundo is added to this database, because working with fundo sounds like a career ending move.

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skronker
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 9:03PM

That's nice that you also employ the deaf. Job discrimination is un-American.

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GreenKnight
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 9:05PM

I don't think Fundo and the truth are neighbors.

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Harri Patel
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:14PM

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ragingbull
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:54PM

Duke, your stuff is trash the girls look like five dollar whores and the male talent belongs in a trailer park, but hey if your making a good living doing it more power to you.

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Endless Loop
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 10:59PM

This kinda smells like a witchhunt, particularly when relatively few, if any actual "Dorothys" are stepping forward.
I presume Duke is ticked, not having cracked the top five.
Hows it hanging Duke?
Slippery Eel here, you ever hear from The German, BiggmanUK or Stargazer anymore?
Miss that ol'motley crew!

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Chico Wang
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:12PM

Recently I shot a scene for my good friend Duke at Facial Abuse. I wasn't prepared for how comprehensive the releases were. After all, I'm in Porn Valley and have shot for numerous video and Internet companies where the model releases are roughly about the same.
If a girl cannot fathom a "Video" release where every nook and cranny of what's going to happen on the set is detailed and she gives agreement, then there is obviously something wrong.
Not only does she sign it but the process is done on video tape as well. I figured that's the way they do it in the East Coast.
Now every producer in Porn Valley has horror stories, particularly with new girls who come in, CASH THEIR CHECKS, get caught by their parents or friends, and come out with some wacky story about how they were coerced into doing it. After all, it can't be their fault, could it?
The boys at Facial Abuse make sure that every 'i' is dotted and every 't' is crossed. And at anytime, the girl can say NO. After all, none of us are mind readers.
To say that they are coercing people like the boys at Meatholes supposedly coerced people (trust me, I was there) is pure bullshit. Nobody at either Meatholes, Facial Abuse or Vivid for that matter coerces any of these girls. The do's and don'ts are well thought out beforehand and presented to the girls well before the Record button is pressed.
There is a niche for everything. If there wasn't, everything would be the same. All you have to do is simply move on to the next MILF site or BIG ASS site. It's pretty obvious to me that those who condemn watch the videos in their own perverted way then denounce it after blowing a wad on their belly.
Chico Wang
Edited by - Chico Wang on 6/1/2007 12:28:14 AM

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skronker
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:37PM

But deaf/mute babes are mad

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Just kidding you, Duke ... Is the Julea/piss scene available anywhere?

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ragingbull
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Posted - May 31 2007 : 11:38PM

Well stated Chico but you have to admit most on the facialabuse site are pretty fugly, oh well. But seriously Mr. Wang, now you admit Meatholes does coerscion, I keenly remember you making a valiant defense of that series. I appreciate your honesty now. Meathoiles sucks because Khan Thusion is a mal spoken douche.

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ragingbull
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Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 12:46AM

its smart to do solid release forms, the powers that be would like nothing more then to jack ur ass.

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Chico Wang
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Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 1:00AM

Trust me Duke, I'm used to releases being done in 2 minutes. Not a comprehensive release that takes 20+ minutes. If you haven't noticed, I'm still a bit traumatized by the ordeal. LOL
Paperwork has never been my forte though I think it's a good idea to ensure the girls know everything especially with the whole bunch of amatuers you guys shoot.
Chico Wang

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ragingbull
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Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 2:35AM

duke, i do am not aware of nic #7, but good reccords is crucial, the feds would like nothing more then to end porn on the internet, like how corporation ruined FM, its in the cards.

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Rasfor
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Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 3:25AM

Fundo, you strike me as a person incoming talent should be warned about.
I just can't see any other motive than you having rampant shining-knight syndrome with a large side of stalker for you doing this stuff. Business-wise and functionally your ideas make absolutely no sense.
Financially, since there's no way anyone would pay for the info you propose to collect.
If the site, against all reason, became big you could generate some income from people wanting to buy positive "reviews" or getting negative word canceled. Which would make the site useless for the girls.
From a helping point of view, the information you propose to collect is already available for any girl willing to take a few hours to research her potentially life-altering career choice. So your site really adds nothing when it comes to information or availability of information.
It's also pretty conspicuous that you only make suggestions that are 100 positive for nubile, young women and make no mention of the other actors in the porn industry. That is male actors, both gay and straight, producers who could benefit just as much from a blacklist, distributors and so on.
All this makes it look very much like you just want an excuse to come into contact with sexy, young women. Or maybe, even worse, that you're somewhat obsessed with young women á la Taxi Driver.
All this makes you look at worst like a stalker waiting to happen, or at best a really sad person with nothing better to do than meddling with women you have no chance of scoring with in another way.
I doubt this will help, but you seem in much need of therapy, medication or drastic lifestyle change.

Any chance we could get pissing on your sites? ;)
Btw, if the thing about Julea is true, rather than ironic, it would be great to know where to get the scene. Seeing that ultra-cute face being defiled seems kind of hot.

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Endless Loop
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Posted - Jun 1 2007 : 3:39AM

Better than ever!
Much like the girlies I've noticed appearing on Facial Abuse. Glad to see all the work, and midnight oil, apparently paid off bro!
Edited by - Endless Loop on 6/1/2007 3:41:02 AM

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mjdavis
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Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 5:32AM

wait wait Luke is on the list but not jules jordan.
Jules jordan shith as as much facefucking and intense sex and puking as lukes stuff. I saw one vid where all the girls where trailing with puke on their faces. I admit in jules stuff it looks like the girls more of the girls look like they are into it than lukes site it looks like they are putting up with it. but some of lukes girl seems like they are into it. but if they agreed to do it. Im ean they could just clip on the sample clips too

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fundo
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Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 4:34PM

I don't think that would qualify Jules Jordan Productions to be on the shit list. Its the outright degradation and extreme content that new talent needs to avoid.
As for comments about girls who are already in the industry, the new site isn't for them. They already know or are already too far gone or even have too short of a career to be concernced about what newbs need to know.
For instance, all new girls need to know that AIM does not test for Herpes and other STDs, and new girls need to demand that anyone they work with be tested for Herpes. If a girl gets Herpes on a producers set, there will be links to several law firms that are friendly to listening to the complaints of prospective clients.
As for the site, there will be no email or links available where new talent can contact me. The only links will be to the legitimate talent agencies, and a step by step guide on how to trademark a stage name, use it first in commerce, register a domain name, get photos taken, how to contact Holly Randall and a select group of quality photographers, like Matt at Matt's Models, an explanation of why it is important not to do too much work in the first few months, how talent agencies are really just escort agencies, and the owners motivation is to book talent into as many shoots as possible--even if it isn't good for their career, and also the site is aimed at the so called suitcase pimps and so of the performers, since so many newbies are brought to the business by boyfriends. And of course there will be the short list of the worst, most extreme producers to avoid, with links to their content proving why it should be avoided. And links to the several adult news sites, and a list of the top 20 companies to work for.
For the seasoned performers who have been allowing porners to degrade and abuse them, there is no hope. Fortunatley, in 2 years almost 90 percent of the talent will be brand new to the industry. They can be reached.

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Flash

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Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 5:18PM

Huh?

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fundo
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Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 7:44PM

Right, not a contradiction at all. If anyone wants to they can email me by clicking the link at adt--my email is set to recieve emails. But there will be no link from the website to my email.
Look, I know I'm dealing and debating with porn industry "insiders" and fans, not necessarily the cream of the crop of society at large or this industry either. I could care less about popularity, my income isn't dependent upon the adult industry. This site is going up and there won't be any hiding for producers of obscene content. And its success won't be measured by ad revenue (there will be none) or unique hits. It is successful if one newbie decides to never enter this industry because AIM refuses to test for herpes; or another goes on to be the next Tera Patrick or Jenna and got her first 411 about the industry from this site. And it will be successful if new talent demands of their agents not to be booked with producers who score high on the "creep" factor, like Max Hardcore, Duke Skywalker, Jim Powers, JM Productions and about 25 others.
Edited by - fundo on 6/3/2007 7:48:46 PM

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Flash

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Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 11:21PM

Actually fundo, you are a walking contradiction, you claim to be doing this to help new people to the industry, to help them, yet that doesn't appear to be what is driving this. As you stated in your last post, what you actually appear to be driving at is the companies that you personally find offensive. Which makes you even worse than the government. At least they are making no claims of trying to help the adult industry whereas you make claims of trying to help when you are really just trying to hurt companies that you don't personally like.
I may not like the kind of content that Duke Skywalker produces, I can't say for sure since I've never seen his work but from the descriptions it doesn't sound like anything I would like, yet if his model releases are as clear as indicated here he doesn't sound like a bad producer. He comes across as the opposite since he makes sure the actors and actresses know what they are getting into before they do. Yet you continue to reference him as a bad producer.
People can't e-mail you through your site, but can here. Therefore claims that you can't be contacted are false, since you can be contacted by anyone capable of finding ADT.
From what I've been able to gather through your posts, you don't like the adult film industry very much. Maybe you should look into your other intrests and you would have a happier life. Maybe I've just taken what you are doing wrong and you are just a very misinformed person who is still going to cause more damage than "help". Either way, I think you should look at your life and find ways to make yourself happier.

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RandomPrecision
Senior Member

Enjoy!
8175 Posts
3/06

Posted - Jun 3 2007 : 11:57PM

There's a certain element of our society that drives people to try and save other people from themselves. No matter what anyone ever says and no matter how emphatically the others assure them that they know what they're doing, these crusaders will never understand.
When someone is this stubborn, all you can do is let time do it's thing. Unfortunately, these people often do a lot of damage before they even realize what the fuck they're doing. Some people have to learn the hard way. And everybody else has to pay the price for their education.
Edited by - randomprecision on 6/3/2007 11:57:09 PM

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YogaDame

All-Star Member

bien dans ma peau
198 Posts
7/05

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 1:43AM

The price list at aim-med.org quotes a price of $80 for herpes screening (HSV 1 IgG, HSV 2 IgG, and total IgM). The full STD panel, including HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, syphilis, and hepatitis A/B/C is $300 (PCR) or $250 (Elisa). Those prices were current as of January 16, 2006. Has something changed in the past year and a half? Do they no longer offer these services?

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LubeNLuv
Senior Member

1854 Posts
3/06

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 1:50AM

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
(The Germans? Shhhhh, Fundo's on a roll)
Hell NO it wasn't over, and it's not over now!

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Archibald
Deactivated User

Searching For A Gentleman From Arizona
57 Posts
8/06

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 3:20AM

Geez Random, did you ever bother to think that if these girls were half as disciplined and forward thinking as you and your cousin are that maybe they wouldn't be getting into this business to begin with?

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popdog
Member

865 Posts
5/05

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 4:14AM

AIM does test for herpes.
AIM Tests
But...
"The signs and symptoms associated with HSV-2 can vary greatly. Health care providers can diagnose genital herpes by visual inspection if the outbreak is typical, and by taking a sample from the sore(s) and testing it in a laboratory. HSV infections can be difficult to diagnose between outbreaks. Blood tests, which detect HSV-1 or HSV-2 infection, may be helpful, although the results are not always clear-cut."
CDC STD Facts
Edited by - popdog on 6/4/2007 4:24:27 AM

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magicman
Member

88 Posts
12/04

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 9:30AM

Duke, Chico,
Is the Chico-directed scene online yet?

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fundo
Member

"All knowledge ultimately means self knowledge."--Bruce Lee
97 Posts
4/07

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 1:26PM

Duke, I'm glad you and your assoicates are so concerned about the new website that will list you and all producers new talent should avoid. Of course, you are probably just concerned that the Dept. of Justice is watching your previous steps that you cannot hide, as JM Productions' new banner at the other board suggests. Unfortunately, there is not a thing you can do to stop new talent from avoiding you. When ladies refuse to shoot with you and those like you, and agents stop booking you, you are then dead to the adult industry.
All new talent will be advised to avoid producers who might face obscenity prosecutions. For new talent, the fear of working with a company that attracts interest from law enforement should deter almost all of them from working with the banned producers.
I've decided that a good way to promote the new site is through myspace and various model networking sites, along with ads at Luke Ford's site and any others that will sell advertising. You will have to wait until July 4, 2007 to judge the integrity of the new site.
Here is the "No-List--I'm hopeful that persons with more information will make suggestions about who should or should not be on the list. I will probably not use real names of industry personel at the site, because the purpose of the site is to advise new talent on how to enter porn and make a successful career, and what producers and agents to avoid.
New Talent will be advised to avoid these companies:
World Modeling Agency - Jim South Sr., Jim South Jr. - Jim South sends unsuspecting female talent new to the biz and only looking to do softer scenes to Max Hardcore
Max Hardcore
JM (Jeff Mike) Productions - Pissmops (piss mops wesite was taken down because of "fears" of prosecution) Lines: American Bukkake; Gag Factor; Filthy Things: distributed Khan Tusion's Meatholes; indicted for obscenity
Ron Sullivan aka Khan Tusion MNP Enterprises LLP - Meatholes, urination, abusing Nicki Hunter who starts crying and screaming; having girls talk about past sexual traumas such as rape or childhood abuse
Frank Wank
www.facialabuse.com D. Vollenweider, E. Dimeo - D & E Media, LLC - Lines: Facial Abuse: Ghetto Gaggers: Sperm Suckers; owner of www.yellowdiscipline.com; owner of www.facefuckher.com; owner of defaceher.net; owner of Latinaabuse.com
Chico Wang, worked with Khan Tusion for over a year with Meatholes where he was the original webmaster
Anabolic - Biff Malibu aka Chris Alexander - Khan Tusion's Rough Sex, choking, slapping
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Somebody mentioned Jules Jordan should be on the list because of certain scenes. I'm not sure Jules Jordan should be on the list--sure, his friends in the industry include the most unsavory types, like Chico Wang and "Duke Skywalker" and of course Jules has had his female friends like Jenna Haze and two others email asking questions; but that aside, is there any evidence that Jules Jordan should be on the no-list? Any rough, violent, vomit-inducing sex from Jules Jordan Video?
Edited by - fundo on 6/4/2007 1:37:48 PM

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Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 2:36PM

fundo, what makes you think you're important enough that performers will care about your blacklist?

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ragingbull
Deactivated User

404 Posts
5/07

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 4:10PM

fundo is this serious or a joke? I agree porn has become more and more mysognistic that is in my opinion because porn can be produced for nothing so producers are in a cut throat competition.

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Hardware

All-Star Member

Your other left
14595 Posts
3/02

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 4:27PM

Since that would be all of them, I guess the gals will just have to look for work in some other field.

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Harri Patel
Senior Member

#SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele
5110 Posts
3/03

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 5:32PM

Once again: you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. Find a new hobby. Buy a metal detector at the swap meet and go look for buried treasure at the beach or something.

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Yankey Doodel
Member

283 Posts
11/05

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 5:37PM

What?!

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Yankey Doodel
Member

283 Posts
11/05

Posted - Jun 4 2007 : 5:39PM

Oh you beat me, I was playing with the smileys.

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