I'm mostly into Evil Empire DVDs, where great directors like Stagliano, Leslie and Siffredi often disappoint me by not shooting their doggy sequences the way I like to see them.
And the way I like to see doggy is from above, almost POV-style, though I do want more variety than straight POV movies usually offer.
Jules Jordan and Justin Slayer have most often delivered the goods for me, though they don't do it in every scene. I was hell of frustrated with the way Justin shot Simone Peach in Big Booty White Girls 1 or the way Jules shot his scene with April in Flesh Hunter 6 -- two of my favorite girls.
Probably many of you guys won't feel the same. So I guess my question is in two parts:
1)Who shoots the best doggy? 2)What in your opinion/taste is the best way to shoot doggy?
And I will add that, for me, the worst way to shoot doggy is when you just see the back of the girl's thighs and the guy's balls banging against the pussy -- though that's probably more comfortable for the director and the performers.
As a director I can tell you that Doggie is for me one of the hardest position to shoot. Personnaly it's my favourite all time position in private so I ALWAYS include it in all my scenes. I think it's the hottest especially if the girls LOOK BACK ! LOL
From above POV style is really nice I agree. Don't like the back of the girl's thighs and the guy's balls banging against the pussy either but sometime it just happen and you don't wanna stop the action to kill the rythm...
I think Jules Jordan doggy are well shot.
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Posted - May 1 2006 : 5:15AM
I think shooting from back, showing the back of the thighs is great as long as the guy elevates himself enough so that his penis pile-drives into the girl.
This is no good for girls who cannot take the poundings though.
If the doggy isn't shot from high above POV style, showing the gals entire back and swale of her hips, I'll fast-forward thru the scene entirely. Anything else to me is just camera-trickery and not realistic, as it's nothing I would see if I was fucking the gal myself. If the gal looks back over her shoulder while she's getting fucked like this, even hotter. A closeup of just the ass devouring the male actors cock is OK now and then if shot from above to capture her ass twitching.
That said, I will slow down to watch a doggy shot from the girls face backwards, to capture her facial expressions while she's getting pounded. That would be my only exception. Oh and if I find a director/series where they just INSIST on a beneath-the-legs shot and nothing more, I just bypass their future releases.
For the past 5 years, I normally watch lesbian strapon videos, but I am also became frustrated with the camera angles shot when it come to the lesbian strapon doggie sex - the cameraman mostly shoots it from the side or POV shot ( which i hate most )........ My preferred angles would be from the "behind / rear" shot - that is we see the girl's thigh and the strapon girl's butt bouncing up and down.
Because of this frustration I recentky started to watch the "gonzo" boy-girl videos. These videos have plenty of the "rearview / behind shot" of the girl's thigh and I prefer to see the guy's whole ass bouncing up and down ( btw: i do not like looking at guy's balls only either )....... I am not saying I'm gay, but the cameraman knows how to shoot the doggie sex from the "rear".
so when it comes to doggie sex - I like the rearview angle
As an inveterate big butt lover whose primary reason for being is the phat female ass, I'm to the point where I basically fast forward through everything that is not blowjobs, doggy or cowgirl.
After years of porn viewing, I've found that the best shooting and presentation of the female ass and body, including the doggy position, comes from people who love it like me. Historically that has meant Stagliano, but more recently it has been the internet guys. The net guys who love big female ass the way I do, have been providing better, most strokable stuff than the porn production houses.
The guys shooting original content at Ass Parade.com, Bubble Butt Bonanza.com, and especially the guy at Onion Booty.com all LOVE, no, they "GET DRUNK" on phat asses get slammed, and they showcase them beautifully. Nice positioning, nice angles, nice perspectives, more and longer full body shots, and a lot less of the tedious from beneath closeups. (Which are boring both in doggy and in cowgirl.)
Things I don't particularly care for in the doggys I see...
I guess I'm one of the few that DON'T like it when the girl looks back. I like her head up, looking forward, and really like it if she's having her hair pulled. And I don't like when the guy continually pushes the girls head down flat.
I also HATE when in doggy the girl puts one hand back on her ass cheek, or both hands back to spread her ass cheeks. I HATE THAT! I think it restricts the movement of her ass and body, and it ruins the natural beauty and symmetry of the shot, especially when it's a full body, side view.
I also don't like the one leg raised doggy so the girl is on one knee and one foot, which opens us up to 15 more minutes of boring, underneath, dick in pussy shots.
I basically don't like when they stay too low, too long, in any doggy perspective. Generally speaking, in doggy, higher shot angle is better than lower, further away is better than closer.
And the bane of all doggy lovers, back and forth editing from facial closeup to genital closeup without panning across the full body.
Finally, I love the Justin Slayer trademark shot towards the end of most of his doggys, when he does his pushup slam into the prone female. In full view, this looks nice from the side and from the front.
That's just crazy talk man. :-P That's the best part of doggin' IMHO.Ahhhh, now you've moved back into the world of sanity. I Tee-Totally agree. Welcome back!
I would agree with 99% of that. A beautiful ode to the canine way. Any DVD doggy scene whose memory will never leave you, and which just about fits all the requirements you mentioned ?
This is one of very few practices, of which I long for the camerawork of yesteryear.
Al Borda among others captured deep doggie anal, in ways that simply superceded any sense of monotony, despite rarely veering from his positional routine.
If done right, the devout anal enthusiast requires very little to occur in the way of positional variation, once the optimal viewpoints are understood, and performed. The only variation required at that point, is in variety of female talent, thats acquired to observe fulfill them.
Theres no need to re-invent the wheel, for each and every title that comes out, or rather struggle to find somthing different, only to invariably fall to the magnet of unavoidable uniformity anyway.
There is ofcourse, if the director is still struggling to discover the formula, and sadly enough, most never even learn that one exists.
As for today's directors, they can start with shitcanning the notion of doggie with knees together. I have no idea where this mindless practice arose, other than for selfish interests, whereby legs together crimps the ass cheeks for a tighter fuck. It may feel better, but it pales in comparisen to the tried and true, knees spread wide, ass up, with a vertical plunge. The shot is virtually non-existent these days, aside from some Sineplex titles that come to mind.
Seems to me most fans are one or the other. Vag or Ass specific, so cut the pussy to ass bouncing already, and quit jacking with our ability to FFwd to our fucking preference. Pick your hole and stick with it.
I would wholeheartedly agree, that its a very underutilized position, that incites a primal sense of spontaneous animal lust. There's always room for this one.
In PX's latest swallowfest, Jizz Junkies, Michael Stefano gets a rather nice piece of Nikia Moore's ass, during a brief standing doggie segment.
BSD: I think you and I are the same person. Seriously reading your post was like reading everything I'm always complaining about, and what you like to see is exactly what I want to see.
Besides the things BSD listed I have to say that I hate it when the guy is fucking the girl in a 45 degree angle to the left or right, and just sticking 2 inches in the pussy.
Or whenever the cameraman has the perfect shot and the actor starts banging the girl hard and he decides he wants to make a face close up. Or when they are jerking the camera back and forth from a "one back thigh shot to the girl's face.
My favorite position is also standing doggy. And like kh said it is under utilized.
Manuel Ferrara has been bringing the standing doggy to his scenes for a while now and I praise him for that.
Jake Malone shot a superb standing doggy scene with Courtney Simpson and Michael Stefano Teen Fuck Holes 5... he almost screwed it up for me when he had a close-up on Courtney's face during the first hard banging by Michael. But then Jake stepped back and made a beautiful full body standing doggy shot when Michael started pounding hard again.
Hi, I'm new to the forums and notice this topic that I love to talk about. As a pure Black man like myself the ass is the star of the show (well, second). Therefore Doggie is always my favorite position. In my taste, I love to view doggie above POV Position. I also love it when the male pornstars start grabbing and massaging the female performer's ass (Ron Jeremy was good at it). The side position is great too, especially when you zoom in the penetration. I was starting to not like doggie scenes that take place on the stairs, sofas, and couches. I really like the doggie scenes on a flat floor or on the bed. Right now I'm hoping that "high pitch voice" Cherokee will do a POV Movie. Now that will be heaven for me. I always loved the Evil Empire Movies (especially Justin Slayer ones). They do a good job of making doggie scenes.
For performers I'd say: KATSUMI by far. Also Belladonna , Ryan Conner (in her day), Sandra Romain , Julie Silver and Sunny Lane . Katja Kassin's up there, too.
Teagan, Claire Robbins, Luci Thai, Gia Jordan, Noami, among many others. Each has a way of arching their backs just right, making great asses that much more appealing. Big fan of the up-and-over doggie anal--gets the man-ass out of the shot and just looks great!
As for directors over at Evil Angel, I have to give props to Jules Jordan (always satisfied with his work) and Justin Slayer; they have been my favorites for quite some time now. Nevertheless, keep your eye on TT Boy's Evasive Angels, which has gained much attention as of late. Each of these directors have a nack for emphasizing on the curvacious elements of each female performer in their films. John Stagliano is probably the most acclaimed director regarding this issue.
In terms of performers, old school Belladonna definately had the deepest ass curve that I have ever witnessed in a porn flick. Damn, all you have to do is watch Fashionistas to see what I'm talking about. Cherokee is another performer who does an excellent doggie style. The shaking of her massive black ass is a neverending extravaganza that gets me an instant hard-on.
"Two Shades above the rest", - The Secluded Paradyme.
Christoph Clark shot some superb anal doggie in Euro Domination 7. I can't fault him for avoiding ACP's, and neither can I fault John Stagliano and Evil Angel for setting the impetus, but to capture such spellbinding imagery, only to be compelled to move away, in order to unload elsewhere, can make some viewers like myself, regret ever seeing such outstanding doggie in the firstplace.
Thanks for the thread, I'm hoping it can help me find some good doggie DVD's. It's a subject that has frustrated me for a long time.
My own preference is that the best shot is the overhead POV shot where it's like the camera viewfinder is your own eyes and you're looking down at the girl's cheeks bouncing off of the guy's abdomen at the bottom of the frame. It can include the girl's whole body or just the butt. I agree that seeing her turn and look at the guy (preferably pleading for more, etc.) is great. Hair pulling is good if the girl likes it and no more discomfort than she wants.
But I so rarely see this POV shot in whatever DVD's I buy. Usually just a few seconds' worth, and I have to slo-mo those precious seconds over and over again.
{I'd have to say that anal doesn't work as well for doggie POV because the cheeks aren't allowed to bounce as well and the shape of the butt isn't as full.)
I'd love for you guys to recommend some more titles and/or series that feature frequent and extended overhead POV shots of doggie. It's frustrating to not know where to find these shots. Maybe I'll try that Brandon Iron series but does it feature a LOT of extended overhead doggie POV shots?
My collection isn't much to speak of at this stage, but a few shots that come to mind are: Peter North and PJ Sparxx in "You Bet Your Butt"; the anal sex scene near beginning of "Devil in Miss Jones 2" (the first scene in "Hell"); a few brief seconds at the end of the French "Une Femme Honnette"; the first scene in "Three Musketeers". I may have more but they're not coming to mind at the moment.
Also, and ex-girlfriend of mine really loved it when I would doggie her and hold her arms behind her back. You hold her hands and she bends both arms at the elbows and crosses them behind her back. You can really get a good grip on her and use leverage to fuck her. She loved it and requested it often. I'd love to see any scenes that make use of that technique.
Or simply holding the girl's arms stretched straight out behind her. I was excited to see a preview of Sin City's "Fetish" because in the preview, a blond does this with a guy. She's standing and he pounds her doggie while holding her arms stretched straight out behind. But I was so disappointed not to even find this scene on the DVD when I bought it! Does anyone know anything about that? Maybe that scene in the preview is from a different Sin City title?
Thanks for any advice on any of the above. Great thread!
and a very legitimate question, since I don't believe its listed among the official abbrieviations as such. It would be well served, particularly given their somewhat infamous notoriety.
