I'm not sure if Bella is a bit too extreme to be accepted, but on the other hand she's so big right now and she will probably become even bigger.

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the closest we got to Jenna is Tera Patrick
and can anybody replace the hedgehog? no

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I think you will always have "porno spokesmodels" like Tera, who successfully brand themselves, but what does Tera really do?

Right now, there are two basic models for the superstar: the Stormy Daniels/Nikki Benz model and the Belladonna model. And my sense is that the real winners are going to be the gals like Bella (or Dana DeArmond, or Joanna Angel ...) who have a kick-ass Internet presence and aren't really so reliant on the middle-aged businessman-type raincoater. Bceause the REAL market for porn is, basically, teenagers surfing the Internet ... The whole DVD thing is gonna be history w/in 5 years. And the whole idea of a porn "star" is going to be ephemeral at best.

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"Either you slangin crack rock or got a wicked jump shot"

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- Mike

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But the porn biz can always rely on middle-aged businessman-type raincoaters who want to buy quality porn on optical media.

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Sasha Grey
Taryn Thomas
cassie parker

the list goes on forever folks jenna is yesterday so many names for the years ahead

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It seems these two have the most irons in the fire when it comes to having a mainstream audience. I also don't see either of them leaving the business for quite some time.

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Vivid
Stefani Morgan

ClubJenna
Chanel St. James
Sophia Rossi

Wicked
Stormy Daniels
Kristen Price

Digital Playground
Jesse Jane

I think to be the next Jenna a girl cannot have a to hardcore gonzo past. Well it may very well endear her to the fans on this board but to mainstream it kills her image.

As far as the next Ron I think hes irreplacable hes the everyday guy and in todays porn that just doesnt work. He always gave the average guy the feeling if Ron was out here banging these hot chicks then they could. So no I dont think you will ever have say a Ron.

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I agree that they both wouldn't be "replaced", per se, because they both have unique aspects to their careers that cannot be copied. Ron has been working since the 70s, and there aren't many guys like that left. And Jenna rode the internet tidal wave and stayed on her board all the way to the shore.

But it's not just the timing. Those two, and their management, are *very* hard-working. They bust their asses to get any kind mainstream exposure. They both love porn; they want to promote the industry as much as they promote themselves. That love of the industry is key: they got mainstream status, and instead of leaving the industry (like Traci) they straddled both.

swede: I don't know about "too extreme" being a reason Bella couldn't be the next Jenna. To many non-porn people, just being a pornstar is extreme, and any levels of craziness within being a pornstar is all a blur.

Ramsey: Yes, we absolutely need mainstream representatives for porn. Exposure outside of porn media increases our industry. Increases our sales. Even negative attention can increase our sales. The thing I love about Jenna and Ron is that they are positive exposure that balances out the negative shit. You know, I signed up for those Google notifiers that send you the latest news articles on a keyword. I chose "porn" as a keyword, and the articles are almost all "child porn" or "porn store prosecuted". I'd much rather my news alerts were filled with gossip about "Jennastin" or "Davenna".

I think that having our faces out there *can* change how the gen pub sees porn, if only by slowly making exposure to it a part of their everyday lives. The more people are exposed to it, the more people will try it, and discover they like it. The more people like it, the less restricted our industry will be.

Think about it man: Cigarettes killed a million times more people than porn did last year. But there's no cops tearing up the offices of Brown&Williamson. Why? Cuz tobacco is part of the mainstream.

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People in general use entertainment as a pastime. Most are not going to do all the work that we porn hobbyists do to find what pleases us. The mass will trust their Entertainment Tonight, their local paper and their CNN.com to tell them what they should try. These media outlets are "star-makers".

I don't think the net makes it harder, I think it makes it *easier*. I can see Bella on PrimeTime Live, and if I want to know more about her, I can take 5 steps to my computer and find out more. Once I'm at her website, I'm hooked! As opposed to trying to remember what her name was 3 weeks later when I'm in the pornshop.

Regarding the breakdown of the porn market. I think the "raincoater" you speak of is more important than you think. I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you describe that persona. But I think you may mean what I call "the occasional buyer". He is where most of a retailer's money comes from. For most retailers, the split can be generalized this way:

10% - 80% - 10%
Pornhound - Occasional Buyer - Rare buyer

The definitions of each vary from retailer to retailer, of course. But the "occasional buyer" is the person who gets porn regularly, but only gets it once every 1-2 months, and doesn't always get it from the same place.

Why am I bringing this up in relation to skronker? Because *everyone* is dependent on that customer. If that is who skronk speaks of by "middle-aged raincoater". Because that customer actually has his own money. Teens don't have their own money. And inbedwithfaith.com makes its money from people with money.

Assuredly, teens are a powerful consumer influence, which is why businesses market to them. But no good parent is going to get a 13-year-old a subscription to samantha38g.com because he begged and pleaded and promised to clean his room. Porn, in fact, actively markets *against* teens because that's the law.

To splice your post even further (sorry brother!), I think that there will always be "porn stars": performers who have attained a fan base and a certain level of popularity. But I wasn't addressing the idea of "porn star" in this thread, but the idea of the "mega porn star" or the "porn superstar": the porn star who has broken through to celebrity in the non-porn world.

Even still, I will take on your idea of the internet making pornstardom disappear. I think there will always be pornstars, but there will be more fans of porn. The internet has expanded porn's popularity and access to porn. More performers attracting more fans is good for porn. Even still, there are "star-makers". AVN is a star-maker. An AVN award is a star-maker. Hustler mag is a star-maker. Influential publications and awards are influential becase they reach a lot of people. Sure, there are a million pornsites, but *everyone* in the industry reads AVN. If you make the cover of that, you will get a lot of extra attention. You will fit the definition of "star" - a light (whether big or small) that everyone can see.

I define "porn star" as someone who is well-known for engaging in sexual activities on video. "Well-known" doesn't have to mean a million people know your name or face. 10,000 will do. The number is arbitrary. If people you've never met know you for making sex tapes, then you're a porn star.

DVD's aint goin' nowhere, either. Because computers still cost too much to reach the penetration that TV's, VCR's and DVD players have.

Had enough, skronk?

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Not the industry.
Not us.
And, not by porn credentials/merit.

As far as the female "icon" goes, she will have to be marketable during sleazy network "sweeps weeks" when porn "coverage" will be shown.

How about Nina Hartley?
I know she's already older than Jenna, but who could be better?

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The big problem with there being "another Jenna" is that porn so emphasizes the disposability and endless interchangeable nature of its female performers that it's almost impossible for any single girl to capture and sustain a significant "market share" of long-term fans. It's more like 256 cable channels vying for a percentage of a limited viewership. You've got to be able to last at least 5 years, and then still be in-shape and hungry enough to keep people wanting to watch you, while stepping up the game by owning your own content, whatever form it takes. That's a very tall order.

Belladonna is pulling it off, which is why I would vote for her. But because her vibe is on the "underground" side, I think we're gonna have to see how many of her younger fans stick with her. If so, she could have a really long and lucrative career.

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Its similar in porn. In the second half of the 80s the studio system was established. Today we watch it falling apart.

Both times a new entertainment technology played an important role (advent of TV, advent of the internet).

There will never be an icon in porn like Jenna just as there will never be an icon in mainstream film like Marilyn.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing for today's performers. Though they don't have the chance to reach iconic status they have other opportunities. If they are smart they can use their success to get more creative freedom. For example Stormy. I'm sure she's totally aware she will never be a second Jenna but she doesn't bemoan the loss of the studio system. She convinced Wicked to give her the chance to write and direct movies - unthinkable back in 1994. Today is a great time for creative and determined girls.

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Stormy or Bella, pretty much the alpha and omega of porn babes.

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Edited by - Benderset on 8/14/2006 8:59:46 PM

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Kimi Lixx,Julie Night,Tina Tyler and then everyone else.

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Kimi Lixx,Julie Night,Tina Tyler and then everyone else.

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whoever said that mainstream chooses and the porn industry doesn't, I agree as well. To a certain extent. Ron and Jenna do hustle to get the college lectures and the mainstream gigs. Those gigs don't just fall in their laps. Plus they do the work it takes to sound both educated and entertaining in front of a mainstream audience.

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No, but, yes ... very well put.

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There are other pornstars out there right now who have significant mainstream profiles: Tera and Spyder, Savanna Samson (btw... and not by coincidence another Stern fav), Stormy to name the top contenders in my mind. But what they lack is a regular presence on the highest rated nationally syndicated radio show in the United States. The question is: "Who will replace Howard Stern?"

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I know he has his satellite network, but is he still as widely heard as in his heyday?

The Man Show coulda replaced Howard, but they're gone.

I wish that the talk shows were more open to porn stars. We know all those dudes jack to porn, so why not? A lot of porn stars are more widely known than some of the C-list comics and tv actors that dot the late night talkshow landscape.

I saw Seymore Butts on Conan. Conan may be our "in". He should have a "pornstar of the week" every week. Even making fun of pornstars and using them in sketches would be good exposure.

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Edited by - BustdownGal on 8/15/2006 2:51:37 PM

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Joanna Angel is more like the Clash of porn, and this is very, very interesting to me...

PR For The New Core!

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"Aside from Mary Carey, I can't remember a bigger mainstream adult story in the past five years,” said JAX."

Gee, guess he missed on that whole Paris Hilton thing.

the unknown pervert said,
"happen to love Savanna Samson but she is 38"

That's why I said,

"Yes, she's is nearing the end of her career and if she'd started sooner she would have been perfect to step into Jennas shoes."

Kimi Lixx,Julie Night,Tina Tyler and then everyone else.

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My personal taste is Cytherea/Hillary Scott/Tori Lane
The male face has to be Randy Spears for the fact he seems to be every g/b movie.

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