If The Good Times Did Not Last Then Believe Me Me The Bad Times Shall Also Passs 100 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jun 12 2007 : 10:16AM
Way back in the 90's, even late 80's heavy duty french kissing was almost a certain prelude to the eventually copulation and it was really tender to see star continue kissing deep throat even after the lady had licked and dried their balls of the last drop of cum. In fact it wpould appear horny to see male stars french kissing their partners after having shed their load in the ladies mouth. With some rare exceptions and maybe specific kissing genre movies passionate kissing in normal porn seems to have become a thing of the past. Infact it sounds odd that female stars wud gladly ream the holes of their partners but get jittery when it comes to allowing the male star to kiss them deep throat especailly if he has been reaming her hole leave alone anybody elses hole. Call it ironical that a female wud not hesitate to gladly suck a cock that has come out of another females pussy but when she is asked to do passionate kissing there seesm to be some sort of a barrier. Ironically, female performers are more comfortable doing passionate french kissing whipe swapping cum leave aside absolute lesbian scenes and what is more, they are quite at home doing extended french kissing with she-male performers...the why this disgust.aversion to do passionate kissing with male stars...Hope this trend doesn/t last long...have your say puhleez!!! mod: changed title to normal case - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on Jun 12 2007
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Posted - Jun 12 2007 : 11:05AM
"but when she is asked to do passionate kissing there seesm to be some sort of a barrier" How do you know anyone has asked any performers to do this and met with a refusal? Why are you assuming it's the girls themselves who don't want to do this? My guess is that it has to do with a trend with porn trying to be more "hard core". I think it's pretty obvious what I mean when you look at how porn has changed over time. Kissing is not a particularly hardcore act. Though sometimes Rocco does quite a lot of it in his movies and so does Steve Holmes, and Manuel Ferrera. All actors can't be expected to have the chemistry and looks to make kissing in their scenes hot looking. Also directors often keep males mostly out of frame, no body wants to see them. Look around and you can see how many people on this board avoid specific (for them) male talent. It's hard to put yourself into a fantasy when it's a guy you don't really want to see anyway kissing a girl who you're enjoying watching. "male stars french kissing their partners after having shed their load in the ladies mouth." Do a search on this topic. At this board (I've noticed anyway) male/female come swapping doesn't receive a very good reception. Especially when the movie is supposed to be "straight". Porn is about fantasy, guys don't need to fantasize about having their own load in their mouths. Because, unlike fucking a beautiful girl in the ass, it's pretty easy to apply one's own to come to one's own mouth. Your fantasy made practical.
I have come across this quite frequently. I have been told by some models that they won't do heavy kissing or "intimate kissing" as they put it. Some won't kiss at all. I either respect their limitations or don't use them. It depends on the mood and theme of the scene, and whether kissing is essential or not. I do prefer kissing and intimacy in most of the scenes that I shoot. I worked with a girl in Europe that previously had her head stuffed into a toilet by a well known director..... But she wouldn't kiss on our set when I asked her to do so. Evidently it crossed her personal boundaries. Some things can't be done for the sake of art or the love of money.... arrrgh
It's like I don't understand hookers for example. You can have sex with them anyway you want as long as you pay but they complain how kissing is too personal. Must be a mental thing or something. Reminds me of this documentary of the Bunny Ranch. A husband had no problem if his wife worked there as long as she didn't kiss her clients. Maybe it works in porn also this way.
"A day without the Intimate Juices of a Woman... is like a day without sunshine!" 26 Posts 6/07
Posted - Jun 12 2007 : 2:13PM
If a woman kisses in a scene... it's gonna be a hot scene.... and the paycheck will be a bonus... if she is a skilled and enthusiastic kisser, the scene is gonna make everyone on set hate me! If not... well, since I dont take Viagra, it's gonna be one of those days when I really earn my paycheck.... sure sex feels awesome.... but fucking someone for hours who really isnt giving themselves to you 100% is such a false victory.... I dont expect every woman to be into every guy in every scene... that would be crazy.... but the ones who don't open up for ANY man in the business.... ouch.... if they only knew what I had to think about to keep hard the whole time with them... no matter how 'hot' they seem to think they look... Money, a Civilian Booty Call or a REAL Porn Star are who I have to think about... and that is just lame.. to fuck someone (even for the first time) and have to think about someone else... I guess that's why they pay us... if every scene was awesome I would just get a side job and do scenes as a hobby. -Jack Lawrence JackLawrenceXXX.com
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Posted - Jun 12 2007 : 2:55PM
From the majority of answers recieved so far it is but obvious that there is indeed a mental barrier even if it is invisible or transparent is besides the point. Just like Tommy Kayes put it the particular performer was willing to be dunked in the toilet but refused to kiss on camera.Sure I respect her for her values(and sticking to them so firmly) or as Ramsey put it. The hubby had no issues with his wife offering sex on the Bunny Ranch to her clients so long as she did not indulge in kissing....To call that double standards would be mocking the concerned persons and that is not my aim in the least. But the bottom line is there and pretty visible too. This topic came to my mind when I was reviewing Delicate Matters(New) and while one of the scenes had mind blowing kissing right thru the entire movie between Dan Steele & Bridgette Monroe it was almost as though they were madly in love(maybe they were a pair back then in 1988 when the movie was shot)and thus their passion erupted on camera. In the very next scene that featured MimiMiyagi & Don Fernando while the blowjobs were sloppy, the fornication wild and temperatures soared right towards the end when it was time to wrap up twice Don goes out of his way to try and plant a kiss on Mimi's mouth she avoids it and instead kisses him on the cheek, on the forehead and even his bare shoulder but nothing beyond that.Edited by - hardware on 6/12/2007 2:57:03 PM
"A day without the Intimate Juices of a Woman... is like a day without sunshine!" 26 Posts 6/07
Posted - Jun 12 2007 : 3:08PM
That is incredibly poor taste for the editor of that Mimi Miagi scene to leave that in the movie... makes Don look like a chump, and he's a friend of mine, actually... It's bad enough the girl didnt want to kiss... but to leave that in the movie shows that the editor either wasnt watching the scene or just didnt care about either of them looking at their best. I hope the editor was able to pay a bill with the check from that movie... while both performers look bad... which damages their careers... -Jack Lawrence JackLawrenceXXX.com
It's entirely possible that she was being thoughtful. I've had many lovers in my early days who would gladly go down on me, suck my cock, rim my ass, let me cum in their mouths, swallow...and then would kiss me on the cheek, chest, thighs...anywhere but the mouth. Why? Because they were sensitive to the fact that while I enjoyed THEM partaking of my bodily fluids, I didn't necessarily want to taste my own cum. Same goes for me with women I've gone down on. I wouldn't feed them their own cum forcefully or go up and kiss them with my face covered with pussy juice. I'd kiss their breasts and neck and shoulders....and if they turned to me, I'd kiss their mouth. But it's an invitation to partake in a very personal act...not an expectation. Maybe Mimi just was being thoughtful towards her partner...hard to imagine in a world that demands more "painful anal scenes," I realize.
perhaps many male stars have meth mouth and other assorted oral diseases,so kissing them is very unpleasant.
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Posted - Jun 12 2007 : 5:15PM
That swings for the females 2.What is good for the goose is jolly well good enough for the gander also. I'm sure being around in the field for an (in)decent amount of time performers do know the medical conditions of their co-stars. I agree there are a lots of ifs and butts in life but hyegiene is the last thing that wud possibly put of a star to kiss considering all that they do irrespectively with the same co-star. You want me to believe that an artiste does not mind doing one kinda scene with a star having medicalproblems but is game enough to do other acts with the same star.Kinda doesn't jell...There is more to it.if only if some of the stars would be willing to kiss n tell or not kiss and still tell...or is that asking for the (blue)moon? Edited by - hardware on 6/13/2007 3:21:49 PM
I agree with Jack... When a scene starts off with the guy (or girl,) and I kissing, I know its going to be a hot scene. Passion is something can't be extracted for me. I crave it.
It's the Pretty Woman syndrome. Many girls can separate sex but then kissing becomes more personal. I love when a girls kissed during a scene but it seems harder to get em to kiss than to take a facial. (Especially if she's got a boyfriend) www.makemoneyfucking.com Edited by - lance on 6/13/2007 6:32:38 PM
I guess its partly the emotional detachment. If you don't want to part of the scene and its just a job by not kissing your not connecting to that person on an emotional level.
Kissing is more of an intimate act. You just don't do it for anyone. When you kiss; you give and take intimacy. Most or all pornstar reserve a kiss for someone that have feelings about! I think that is why alot of females in general; not only female pornstars will not kiss another person; a "French" kiss.
I once heard one of Max Hardcore's main girl's say "I would rather take two dicks in my ass than kiss. Can't recall her name off hand. She drinks piss, taste vomit and reason knows what else she does in private but kissing is too personal for her. I had a girlfriend back in the 80's who told me that kissing was one of the most personal things you can do together so this is not a new thing and even in porn. In the Vivid films there seems to be more kissing and maybe because they work with the same people over and over again. The more kissing the better. Wayne In Dallas
I agree with the trend of what many people are saying on this topic--that porn girls feel that kissing is intimate. And if you follow this logic, in the crazy Alternate Universe That Is Porn, fucking is not considered intimate. One recent example is the Vivid IR sexvid, "Savanna's Been Blackmaled" in which Savanna Samson does 3way sex with two black studs, including bj, anal, and a long dp, but does not kiss either guy! Maybe letting the girls work with their real life boyfriends or husbands (which is usually done when a girl first gets into the biz), or if the director sits down with the girl before casting the male talent and ask her who she wants to work with, is the answer. I don't know. Of course, this goes against the industry practice of just casting "reliable" male talent--or guys who fuck the girls the hardest. Whatever. IMO the quality of porn has gone down because of so little kissing in the sex scenes.
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Posted - Jun 14 2007 : 9:43AM
Kissing is too intimate for porn? Then why is french kissing very casual with strangers in nightclubs, but sex is "personal"? Whats that about.
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Posted - Jun 14 2007 : 9:46AM
Now that's one hell of a unique original option and it had me rolling in laughter...Agreed it isn't very far from the truth.And after the laughter is over the irony still stares you in the face...If some of the dudes, the babes work with seem to look like they're out on parole...Can't blame the poor guys...That's the way they were born.When God Asked them what they wanted "the playboy looks or the stud dick"? they opted for the latter... After all their logic was what good were the looks once the babes got into bed and they cud do little to please em..Butthe ladies(???)know exactly what they're stepping into and with whom with their eyes wide open...So why blame the poor dudes once the ladies have consented to screw them on camera for the asking price. Here, I'd like to quote Jack Lawrence XXX in a different context to show that even all female porn stars are no stunning beauties...I quote,"EVERY Porn Star has ingrown hairs, blemishes, ect.. I have seen Contract Stars come to set in sweats with no make-up on and I dont even recognise them when they are out of the make-up chair... it's amazing what some of the $700.00 a face make-up artists can do..." So that ain't a valid excuse really or is it? Cos if it is then...it reeks of unprofessionalism. If we take it at face value!!! Why always blame the guys...If some of the guys look like they out on parole then don't quite a few strumpets also look like "Highway Queens".How many guys have you had complaining that they cannot keep it up coz the partner does not arouse them amply?
Your talking about people partying and finding someone they think is attractive, and hot for, and going with it. Not slamming two strangers together and saying fuck. I've been on sets where I've been scared to receive oral from girls, let alone taste their mouths. Then others I couldn't get enough of. Depends totally on the people. At least at a club you are finding someone who you connect with on some level. www.makemoneyfucking.com
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Posted - Jun 14 2007 : 10:48AM
I just got to laugh when a chick gets her ass fucked, eats ass, eats cum out of ass, has some other chick "squirt" in her mouth, etc...YET kissing is too intimate. Fuck out of here. And why would I want to watch a guy kiss a chick just after he's blown his load on her face or in her mouth? Uh that shit is gay IMO. So why would a supposed straight male actor want to do that shit? Fuck out of here with that "It's mine" shit. It's still cum, from a dick. That's gay. Nothing kills a scene quicker than a guy tasting his own juices, the absolute worse is a guy licking his own cum off a chicks face.
For many people, fucking is about getting some for themselves, not about intimacy. In other words, 'Just because I want to fuck you doesn't mean I give a fuck about you.' That being so, I fail to see the disconnect if those same people consider kissing an act of bonding.
"A day without the Intimate Juices of a Woman... is like a day without sunshine!" 26 Posts 6/07
Posted - Jun 15 2007 : 12:44AM
I have found that most of the scenes I have been in where there was a lot of kissing... I ended up dating the woman... so it IS a bonding experience... I'm a really nice guy, so many women really 'dig me' but just as many arn't into me AT ALL..... I have been in about 40 Vivid Movies... they tend to book 'Women' rather than 'Girls' even if they shoot women in the 18 to 21 range, they have been interviewed, and they are on set because they have a little more to offer than a hot body.... I give Vivid a lot of respect because they actually try pretty hard to get people who would like eachother off camera.... and that usually leads to kissing... so you see some passion in the scene... as well as 'Where did Jack and ____ go? We're ready for their scene." "Oh, the're making out on the patio!" THAT is going to be a hot scene! Someone was talking about guys with Meth Mouth... actually I have only met a few guys who seem to fit this mold.... actually most of the guys I see on set the last 4 years take really good care of themselves. The guys who look like they are on 'Parole' as someone said... well, there's a need for those guys too... people need to watch people they can relate to... those guys actually get a lot of work because of that... and those scenes are usually booked as Gonzo Scenes anyways... where it's not about the connection... it's about agressive and sometimes hateful Fucking. -Jack Lawrence JackLawrenceXXX.com
Intimacy -- closeness, togetherness, affinity, rapport, attachment, familiarity, friendliness, friendship, amity, affection, warmth, confidence; informal chumminess. If there was more of that in porn we might see more kissing no? Besides all that, it seems to me that the guy in the scene is the one doing most of the initiating, so maybe the resistance to kissing is there? If we saw more women taking a more equal role in the action perhaps, if she liked the guy, there would be more smoochy face. Cerebral Jedi - licking your own jizz off a girl's face is unlikely to qualify you as gay, potentially, licking your own come off a man's face might, sucking his cock down your throat until he blasts jizz into your gullet could possibly though, just depends, hasn't made me gay yet.
Perhaps. I guess the whole $$$$$$$ thing tends to kill most of that.....as it does just about any other time or in any other situation. Since you mentioned it, I can't think of a single person who ever signed my paychecks that I had any feelings for other than resentment (at best). Porn tends to get ground down to a meat market sort of thing 90% of the time. The only person who's ever having any fun is the customer. Everything else is just business. And a lot of it seems to be just as unpleasant as any 9-5. It seems to me that porn, fundamentally, needs for a woman to be something most women just aren't. I'm not saying women don't like sex but clearly, men and women have very different hot buttons and porn generally tends to only be trying to push the ones that work for most men. Anyway.....I guess everybody has limits. Along with many of the other guys, I think it's a slightly strange limit, however. Maybe passionate kissing is a lot harder to fake than an orgasm.
"A day without the Intimate Juices of a Woman... is like a day without sunshine!" 26 Posts 6/07
Posted - Jun 15 2007 : 10:13AM
I just thought of something... I 'try' to kiss in about half of my scenes... with the women that I think are going to be into it... and I am about 90% sucessful... I do have to admit that the other half of the scenes I dont even try.... since I get a vibe that IF they kiss back, they might not be into it, and therefore actually put me on their 'NO List'. I sometimes ask them before a scene... but honestly as important as it is for me in a scene, just asking and hearing them say no KILLS it for me... sinmce I do not use Viagra... sometimes it's better for me to skip the kissing as something I 'forgot' to do... than ask or get a head turn and kill the moment completly... which although they look hot, feel hot, ect... could result in wood issues.... sometimes it's not worth the risk... Remember... everyone who isnt in Porn has sex with people who WANT to have sex with you... EVERY time..... believe me, as a man with a big heart and compassion, basically all the good virtues... when you work with someone who's just there for the money.... it's not fun at all when the thuth comes out.. that's why there are only 150 guys in Porn... if anyone could do it, there would be thousands of guys out here.... you have to go to this 'Happy Place' in your head when you work with someone like that.... because it's just not natural.... and I dont think anyone who hasnt experienced it could have any idea how hollow it feels... and what a mental chore it is to be hard for someone who dosnt want you inside of them... If they cut the women's rates in half across the board... you'd see who's here for the sex.. and the ones for the money would say, "It's not worth it' and go elsewhere for their money.... -Jack Lawrence JackLawrenceXXX.com
Yes, Tyler did say nice things about his experience with Vivid and Savanna, but she didn't kiss him or Brian in their scene together. And that's what this thread is about...porn stars (girls) not kissing guys who fuck them.
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Posted - Jun 16 2007 : 6:12AM
im not much of a kisser,first. and eww mouths are dirty, i dont wanna be that close face to face, i dont feel inclosed by a dick in my pussy, but i dont like kissing guys i date either. ehh only sum [:P)] Cassidy Essence
its weird but i also consider kissing more intimate, i dont know why but i do, when i was single i had no problems when the guy was clean, brushed his teeth and there was feeling on the set. but now i really dont want to kiss no one, i guess its a bit silly to keep kissing as the one thing i only do with my husband, although i also keep my ass only for him:) i think kissing is something romantic, you do when you first meet someone.. the rest of the sex is just sex, has nothing to do with romance
I was wondering why there is no kissing also, in a lot of raw amateur porn I buy especially IR porn they always kiss but in regular porn not at all. I bought some Vanessa Del Rio compilations and it was kissing in damn near every scene I watch with her and she was initiating the kissing and it looked hot as hell because she has those full lips. I thought the no kissing rule applied to prostitutes not porn stars. When I do see some kissing they look like they do not want to do it at all, like taking a facial. I have seen some girls kiss Justin Slayer passionately but that's about it.
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Posted - Jun 18 2007 : 11:46AM
Indeed it is truly weird...Kissing is becoming a no no in hardcore porn while Commercial cinema has no such qualms> Isn't it funny that one hole is open for public consumption while the other is only for private entry..Talk of restricted entry. How come none of the Hollywood stars have such silly dilemmas about kissing? Thank God not many porn stars are in mainstream Hollywood or else kissing wud have become a thing of the past by now...Thanks to their self justifications about what is an absolute no-no and what is welcome. Edited by - hardware on 6/18/2007 5:17:18 PM
Might have something to do with getting their orifices filled with the rest of their co-stars, and the severe disparity in pay scales. Just throwin' that out there. But I do think kissing makes a scenes intensity go up immensely.
There is an interesting discussion on camera about this very topic among the cast members in Chemistry #2. It seemed that in that group of people, they were split: some of them kissed, some of them didn't. I think it truly is a personal preference for performers. Some find it "too intimate," while for others, it totally depends on the person they are working with. It's important for me that I cast people in scenes who enjoy working together, but that's not the case with every director, and people flake, so sometimes the best laid plans get side tracked. I agree with Jack's comments, when there is kissing and heat, it can make the scene sizzle.
I find the idea that one would be willing to fuck on screen but not kiss really bizzare. I'm going to tell people what it is: director's orders. Kissing implies intamacy, and intamacy and porn don't go hand in hand. I think many directors of hardcore porn tell thier stars to keep kissing to a minimum. Honestly I'm glad they do. I don't want long makeout secions in porn movies. I want it perfectly clear that the sex on screen is just raw emotionless lust, and less kissing helps that.
I don't think people here are saying you have to make love during a scene, I just think we are saying that it heats up a scene a lot more. Well at least I find that it does, like after giving a woman cunninglingus and you go up and kiss her to let her taste herself on you lips and tongue, to me that is hot as hell so when I see something like that in a movie I get turned on.
I think your confused, in Hollywood they have a thing called a script which says you kiss the guy after this sentence. Most porn movies don't have scripts and If they did and kissing was a part of it, it would certainly take place. You can't compare porn with mainstream movies its like comparing apples and oranges, they're both fruits but that's about it. Edited by - hardware on 6/19/2007 11:12:12 AM
Nor did Brian, or I initiate an attempt to kiss her, however, to say that we were all very much into the scene is a vast understatement. We shot almost two hours of footage, stopping only 2-3 times if memory serves, maily because Savanna wanted to keep going for more. Can't speak for Brian, but it never even crossed my mind to kiss her or not to one way or the other. Just worked out that way. Some scences call for kissing, some don't, however, this was in no way a relfection of intimacy amongst the participants. Look at the eye contact (far more telling) when you see the scene. The camera doesn't lie. *Edited for spelling* mod: nested quote removed - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 6/19/2007 11:13:19 AM
personally, i think its strange when performers DON'T kiss at least a little during a sex scene. i always thought that kissing is the beginning of the foreplay that leads up to sex. if a girl doesn't at least kiss a little bit, it makes the scene seem like i am a client and not a partner. i dont know terri summers, but i know she is a great performer, and i would be very sad if i went to kiss her at the beginning of a scene and she pulled away. porn performers should be able to put themselves in a "bubble" if you will, and be able to do whatever they want during that scene. then when the scene is over, go back about your business.
My theory is that kissing simply doesn't pay extra, hence it's relatively cheap to reserve as an intimacy for a girl's partner. If there were something like $20-$50 for passionate kissing I'd bet that virtually every girl would do it. And I kind of sympathize with that, if it is the case, it's an act that adds a lot to the scene without being compensated for, as well as being potentially personal.
The other strange thing about this is when some female porn stars say kissing is too intimate but sucking a guys cock and taking it up that ass is not. If I had a girlfriend who did porn and she told me some shit like she saves the kissing for me I would tell her to get the fuck out of here with that bullshit, I would be like you do everything else why not kiss the guy who cock you just sucked...lol
A kiss has an emotional meaning , for many is a thing reserved to those they are really involved with , to make porn movies it's a job they could enjoy their job some times , and sometimes even get aroused very very much , but still there's no true love involved. Something like: Honey I fuck all that people because it's my job but I don't love them , I only love you honey and my passionate kisses will prove that, they're reserved for you and you alone. In Hollywood movies there's no sex involved and the actresses fuck their husbands which got them completely , there's no doubt about what's work and what's real love Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 6/19/2007 3:51:48 PM
You can mentally "check out" while chugging cock, and go into your zone whlie just getting bent over and fucked. Harder to do when the other person is up close and personal in your face.
Precisely. Kissing is an expression of genuine affection. Fucking has nothing directly to do with affection. You can fuck someone you like, or you can fuck someone you don't. But kissing is generally reserved for the former.
