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juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 5:22AM
Wow, I'm impressed. New spokesman of the ADT-community in town?

I recommend, take your time to read the posts on this board.

lou sapphire
Member

Take the plan, spin it sideways.
685 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 6:33AM
Ok i may be out of line here but some men get of on these titles...yeah we repress it...but we all want a slut in the bedroom....its exciting and dangerous. but even the most P.C amongst you want the submission of a hot chick to do your bidding, i wonder how many here would push for the bj first...over going down on her for an hour?
SOL
Member

10 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 10:41AM
Whoah...and what exactly constitutes "pig"?

What's the criteria, the bases for that?

Is it sexual exploitation in general, of any stripe? ...because that makes most of what is routinely seen in our culture, especially on/from TV, subject to such classification.

Or is it, by your views, only sexual exploitation of a specific degree?...because it seems that if you're arguing degree's, well, what's the point?

Look at it this way, in principle, there isn't exactly a great deal of difference between an eighteen-yr old woman who chooses to be sodomized in Monster Cock Ass Slammers, and an eighteen-yr old woman who chooses to bump, grind and shake her ass as a sports cheerleader: both activities are grounded in sexually charged intention/result, and neither automatically makes a "pig" out of the women who participate. It's all subjective.

One stirs up the testosterone and ensures movie/rentals/sales, the other is specifically intended to whip the testosterone levels up to a frenzy during an event where the 'gladiator mentality' is publicly exhaulted, with the message being: the reward for the "winners" is an encouraged, accepted prostration of female sexuality to the gladiator (which, oddly, is largely seen as taboo in and of itself, yet, remains quite prominent throughout the entire culture despite obvious, deep seated denials)reinforcing the societal stereotype of Nice Guys Finish Last.

Perhaps a lot of porn that is intentionally "derogatory" is so because it's a retaliation of sorts against commonly held belief systems which explicitly excludes women from desiring the sex acts found in "derogatory" porn.

We really have created this very limited scope of sexuality; a highly unrealistic and euphemistic take on what's considered acceptable or otherwise. That's why so many porn titles intentionally use 'offensive' and blunt words/descriptions: to break through the societal indoctrination of 'sexual correctness' and cognitive dissonance.

It reminds me of a post I responded to in another thread where someone cited soap opera's as being more unhealthy than porn; I agree. When comparing the two, it's clear that one focuses on mental games and mind fucking as the backdrop to what's largely considered normal life, 'reality.' You can find scores of women who, by and large, conduct their relationships by the tenets of this type of TV un reality.

The other strictly focuses on physical sex and flesh, providing a counterbalance to prevailing sexual politics and doctrines. Niether medium proves anything other than a great deal of communication breakdown, misdirection and repression. That is, many people think it has to be all good or bad, or just one or the other.
The key difference is that for a long time, the soap opera market, the mindset that 'sells'(which extends to other Tv shows, movies, top 40 music, cookie cutter crap)was far reaching over porn in its influence/reinforcement of relationship/sexual ideals.
But now porn is everywhere. Studies are done that show young and older women watch a lot of porn. In part, a good indicator of that is how sexual activities like oral, anal, bisexuality, group sex, male stripper clubs/parties, "Girls Gone Wild,"... are all commonly practiced and accepted by many young women today. It doesn't mean that either soap opera's or porn are necessarily escapist forms of entertianment people should emulate, but like everything else, it does work that way more so than people care to admit since these ideals and images stem directly from us, the collective conscious/unconscious.

Edited by - SOL on 6/20/2005 10:44:13 AM

Rebecca Bardoux
Member

6 Posts
5/05
Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 9:01PM
The studios think that is what you want. After all you are continuing to buy it. Only the consumers can make changes. Tell us what you want. I'm all ears. I have been preaching this for years. Now that I'm working with a new release company Critical X, I plan on shooting for the fan not the bank account. It may take a little longer to get where I am going but, my heart is in it. Just like the day I started my career. I look at it this way, fans pay my rent, so I do it for them. That's the bottom line. FANS ROCK
 
Crucifixio_Jones
Senior Member

Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist
4727 Posts
10/03
Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 9:07PM
We do, we do.

And as a fan I gotta say I'd still do Ms. Bardoux. Shame you're only working for yourself. Devils Films' MILF POV and Mother Fucker lines seem custom-made for you now. It would've been great to see you in one of'em.

Jasper Lamar Crabb
Member

62 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 20 2005 : 11:16PM
To be honest, I think there's a real poverty of imagination at play here. Take Brandon Iron's videos as a (counter) example: A Good Source of Iron, Baker's Dozen, Intensities in Ten Cities ; filled with wonderfully raunchy scenes, but rather than beat you over the head with demeaning language, the titles are playful and suggestive.

Or is the least bit of subtlety detrimental to the bottom line? [/wishing there was a smiley for disappointment with the marketplace]

juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 2:45AM
Yes, that's true.
Brandon's titles are really great and they sell.
Rebecca Bardoux
Member

6 Posts
5/05
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 12:04PM
Playful and suggestive. Something that is missing in this industry. No more tease just fuck. Some of these films are more like war then love.
cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 12:10PM
Huh! Good God.
What is it good for?
Brandon Iron
BrandonIron.com

3832 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 2:34PM
Thanks, Jasper. Glad you enjoy the work. For me, I have never had to "work" in the true sense of the word since committing to produce for Platinum X. It really is the best gig in the world when you can thrive just doing what you would do for free any day of the week! I still watch a lot of porn, but I find I get more and more jaded. It's so important to be different from the rest of the pack now more than ever. Everyone can shoot good quality video with the same talent. As long as you do it a bit unique, you can keep NOT working!

INTENSITIES IN 10 CITIES isn't the most profitable series I do, but I love going to different places and meeting new people. It will continue...and volume 3 will be wrapping up very soon. It's a mixture of some exotic locales like Madrid with some cities closer to home like Seattle. Hope you like it!

BAKER'S DOZEN was a series I wanted to do at Red Light District, but I waited until I was at Platinum to give myself the green light. It's simple, but it has found it's audience. The demand for massive facials is pretty big.

A GOOD SOURCE OF IRON is my pet project because it marked the first time I just followed my gut and put a loss leader out (one that loses money out the door)....at a time when I could not afford to lose. The first year in business is tough for anyone, but none more so than adult video. It took time to catch on, but it's my favorite series to shoot. I have always been a big fan of DOWN THE HATCH, so it was just my interpretation on the swallowing thing.

TEN LITTLE PIGGIES, like AGSOI, is not the most profitable, but there is a real dearth of quality foot stuff out there. I didn't find what I was looking for so I just produced a line that I would rent as a fan. It's catching on slowly, but I am in no rush. 5 volumes are out, but it's only the beginning.

Anyways, I bullshit too much. It's just cool to read feedback from people who appreciate what you are trying to do. Thanks!

Ryan Knox
Performer

170 Posts
5/05
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 2:36PM
Porn without tease is extremely boring.
I watch more porn than anyone and when you just go straight to sex and there is nothing to build up to, no climatic points, then the guy that's stroking it has nothing to look forward to. Just straight sex. Tease is the best part about porn.
cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 2:46PM
All tease, stripping and dirty talk would be good. Followed by a POV popshot to the tongue. I could call it "The Cummed On Tongue of a Whore Named..." whomever. I'll be rich! RICH!
skronker
Notable Legendary Icon

Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 2:57PM
Cum Tongue Daddy!

Ha ha ... it can be a BJ/popshot/swallow series PLUS asslicking (ewwwww).

Vanilla Skye
New Member

2 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 3:10PM
I think that most men like having the power. I know that even in my personal life, I like to be beaten a little. Call me a dirty whore! I am sucking your dick and letting you fuck my ass, right?

If you don't like the movies that way, buy a feature!


Vanilla Skye

 
cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 3:14PM
Vanilla is delicious.
skronker
Notable Legendary Icon

Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 3:45PM
With a cherry to pop!
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 3:56PM
Welcome to ADT.
Are you the girl of my dreams or just a trolling second nick?
VincentVanGauge
Former Fucking Virgin

Paying trib-ute to SinncentVanSage
1412 Posts
12/04
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 4:17PM
*sing* Manchmal, aber nur manchmal, haben Frauen ein kleines bisschen Haue gern...

Die Ärzte

There's no 'I' in fuck, bang, screw or shag but two of 'em in virgin.

juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 4:33PM
immer, ja wirklich immer, haben Männer wie du....
Vanilla Skye
New Member

2 Posts
6/05
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 5:30PM
I can't help it, I love what I do.....
skronker
Notable Legendary Icon

Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jun 21 2005 : 5:41PM
I love it too!


Mienhagen
aka Shameless deactivated again

Europe
696 Posts
6/04
Posted - Jun 22 2005 : 4:25AM
Dont spoil the party here, Vanilla! A lot of porn consumers, it seems, need to see you porn girls as victims. It makes them feel even worse about what they like to watch - especially if those box covers use words thought of being deregatory by mainstream society. Maybe wanking deeply inbedded in guilt feels better?
lou sapphire
Member

Take the plan, spin it sideways.
685 Posts
9/02
Posted - Jun 22 2005 : 5:02AM
Why has this post gone on so long?...i think weve heard every concievable point of view on the subject, and its now its going off topic.
nuff said!
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