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VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 8:40PM
Though you probably didn't address your post to me I want to make clear that this is not what I meant in my post. I couldn't do that unless she ridicules me terribly. Well, probably I still couldn't. But I would consider to call her a bitch and leave her for good instead of bearing every word against me just because she's a woman. I used to love women as much that I would literally have let them kill me without trying to resist. Now I just love women, period.
And I'm quite sure it's not the small penis complex. If it was I should have killed half the female world population by now.

If you flirt with a vagina it can squirt as far as China. I can dream.

dac
David Aaron Clark

Just another WKW wannabe
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Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 9:25PM
Yes, well more than anything else that should point towards the particular macho mindset at work here -- guys who can't keep wood while being shittalked to or slapped, but they expect the girls to take it & like it? Or is truly, after all, that they DON'T expect them to like it, & that's the point?
chocolate_cougar
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Dumb & Dumber
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7/05
Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 9:46PM
for me fantasy ends when people on this messageboard report they felt abused.

I'm also at the end of my patience with dumb pornfans crying for more violence,
and pain sluts who advertise their latest oh-so-in-demand hate and vomit porn.
There will never be something like mainstream acceptance thanks to such freaks.

gonzo porn of today leaves a fallow land of emotional cripples - both inside and
outside the industry. You have to have a really strong personality to emotionally
survive in such an ill-disposed enviornment:
with the dream to become rich and have some fun bursting like a big soap-bubble
for most talents, and the few that just want to take their chance but still
be treated like woman rather than meatholes getting disapointed by the ever ongoing
demand for more violent sex.

There is a german movie called "Das Experiment"
It is based on an actual psychological based prison experiment that took place in Stanford laboratories back in 1971. The aim of the experiment was to test the limits of a man's self-control and aggression.
In short the people who should "play" the guards begin to exercise their powers and as the hours pass they become more comfortable in their role as guards and begin to enforce their will with callous authority.
It gives the audience insight into some of the potential causes of prisoner abuse.
Without drawing a résumé of the events it becomes obvious that the power of expectation to shape our behavior cannot be underestimated.
This also goes for situations like we find them in todays gonzo porn: a wo/man how has to submit to the fantasies of talents/directors who are in charge of the progress of events. Though s/he is no way a "prisoner" by definition it is alarming to see how some performers become intoxicated with the power they have in such a situation. I think it is not gender specific. I have no idea where it comes from,
however I do think people who are repeatedly prone to such violent behaviour must be precluded from working in porn.
If I just take a look at the male talent pool, I sometimes get this apprehensive feeling that some men who started as sane kind guys transform over time in something I don't and don't want to understand anymore.
Brandon Iron
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Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 9:57PM
I don't claim to be an expert, but an analogy is all I can offer. If I ate meatloaf every night year after year, I might develop a craving for some other flavour. Porn can, will, and should always be on the leading edge of sexuality. Who wants to see tired, old sex all the time? Burp! That's the sound of meatloaf.

In the marketplace of ideas, the strongest will survive. You vote with your wallet and lay off trying to save the world. Put in perspective, I think there are far worse atrocities being committed around the world.

 
TonyC
Comstock Films

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Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 10:37PM
It's just porn.
skronker
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Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 10:52PM
I'm hooked on a feeling.
cursive
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Your inquisitveness is infectious...
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Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 11:07PM
VincentVanGauge
Former Fucking Virgin

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Posted - Aug 1 2005 : 11:49PM
You're the kind of girl I'd give my virginity to. Twice. And you'd get more attention than you could ever wish for. You'd beg me on your knees to stop licking you because it feels to good to endure... if I wouldn't hold your legs in a tight grip while burying my head between them, that is.

If you flirt with a vagina it can squirt as far as China. I can dream.

wolf69
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My compass is pointing West.
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 12:23AM
"...But I like it." (All apologies to the Rolling Stones). But Tony makes a good point as that's often the argument, no? And an indication that things are not likely to change any time sooner or later. Then there is the fact that you can't "save" people from themselves if they have no desire to be "saved." (Please note the use of quotation marks there).

I do get off on knowing when a girl is getting off herself. I walk that same fine-line that many porn viewers seem to walk, and I find myself sometimes questioning my own tastes. Overall though, for me, sex and porn are about fun and feeling good (though perhaps in this context I am remiss in distinguishing the two?), and if I don't feel that vibe I don't have to watch.

Yes, I'd like to know that all the goings-on in porn (and elsewhere) are consensual and discussed beforehand, but I am not naive enough to be able to believe that. I do love women, but whether or not some of them would believe that is another story altogether. Hell, when it comes right down to it, I realize I am just a selfish pervert who certainly cannot save the world. And even if I was able to do so, I doubt I'd be able to pry myself away from my life (perhaps that should be "life"?) to make the attempt.

Bottom line, I love porn, and I am probably happiest when I don't try to over-analyze the "whys" and "wherefores" of that truth. I know I should leave the philosophizing to those who possess the brain power it requires to accomplish such a task, but I am not wired that way. So, therein lies the rub. Speaking of which, I think I am going to go and lie down and rub one off while watching some nice porn.
Peace.
Wolf
P.S. I am ashamed to say this post was made while the poster was stone-cold sober. Haven't had a drink in quite a number of weeks now. Mayhaps that is my problem? Maybe I need a drink.

Edited by - wolf69 on 8/2/2005 12:24:18 AM

cursive
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Your inquisitveness is infectious...
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:09AM
I'm m e l t i n g . . .

Though I think wolf69's post is kind of killing the romance here. That's what I get for not being under you, I mean posting after you. No offense, Wolf.

Continue original discussion topic. I'm gonna scribble more hearts in my notebook. And go *playing.

Edited by - cursive on 8/2/2005 1:11:02 AM

wolf69
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:21AM
None taken. I am feeling rather magnanimous this fine eve. How 'bout if I spring for a room for the two-uh-yous, and you go get yer freak on? I have always aspired to be a panderer.
Peace. (Or perhaps, in this case, it's "piece.")
Wolf
cursive
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Your inquisitveness is infectious...
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:50AM
wolf69
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My compass is pointing West.
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:55AM
No problemo, I am already quite the voyeur. Just taking care of the panderer part now.
Wolf
"If honor and wisdom and happiness are not for me, let them be for others. Let heaven exist though my place be in hell." - Jorge Luis Borges
chocolate_cougar
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 9:20AM
No one? I guess most people prefer to watch beautiful people having beautiful sex
at beautiful locations, but what do I know? I'm not into second hand fantasies.

All I know is that readheaded munchkin males fucking a family size package mascara with
a toilet seat around their head while emitting primeval grunts is not exactly my idea of an erotic movie.

Just give me my Mars Bounty Bar and a ticket to Waimanalo and I stop posting here. deal?

 
VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 10:18AM
I really like it when you write such sweet things, and in cursive, too. Only with a small pencil like mine you can write in tight cursive. It feels so great to write white on pink. Things like "Cursive: Lifting cocks and confidence since [don't know, now it comes back to haunt you that you didn't reveal your age ]"

Sorry for my high jacking in this thread, back to topic: Maybe it also has to do with some men's fear of women overtaking the world. Let's face it, never before were women as equal as now. (What I mean is women in Western civilization never were that close before to having the same rights men have, but Walter would never quote that).
Though women are still unprivileged in some job-related fields like wages and leading positions they are privileged in others fields like child custody, free party / swinger club visits, and the right to stay away from army and civil defence charge-free (at my place, that is). So maybe some men become afraid and escape into a world where they don't feel the power of manliness crumble. And maybe there's a grain of truth in what Steph said: A man who is already insecure about his manhood will rather go for extended porn sessions than for shrinks.

As for me I prefer watching women having almost as much fun as I'd like to give to Cursive. Cytherea seems to come quite close sometimes.

If you flirt with a vagina it can squirt as far as China. I can dream.

Edited by - VincentVanGauge on 8/2/2005 10:22:33 AM

Kat
Kat Slater

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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 12:16PM
I think it was Camille Paglia who wrote (completely paraphrasing) that men no longer hunt their food down, and with the hunting (in the work place/ ie bringing home the bacon) slowly falling more and more into the women's hands... perhaps it is emasculating. It's a fascinating time in our world. I mean... guys these days have no clue how they're supposed to treat women anymore. I think women are much freer these days (though we still have a long way to go), which leaves a lot of interpretation for them as to how they want to be treated. Hence, all sorts of confusion and experimentation. Personally, I don't mind any of it. Experimentation leads to an understanding of one's self. That's going to be different for everyone. Thank God we have the right to choice. Some of us like it one way and some like it another. And yes, at the end of the day, porn will move with the consumer's dollars.
Kat
Kat Slater

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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 12:33PM
Vincent, I do understand what you're talking about. Though, I think attraction comes not from giving someone a shoulder to cry on. Nor, hoping you can change a person or thinking a person will change as they're crying out with words of "ass-hole bastard ex/ I'm never going to do that again... blah, blah, blah." To me, attraction comes from discovering another.... Who are they... other than just a physically pretty person (of course this is in this eye of the beholder as well.) And then, making a connection.... other than just "oh yeah, he/she's a jerk." I think we're all attracted to what we think is the "best." Hence, I've found, if you want to be attractive to another, you don't have to be on guard, but instead work to better yourself... to be strong in who you are and what you want in life... to be "the best" and recognize that quality within yourself. Who knows... you may then realize that you don't even want that girl who's crying on your shoulder. Build it and they will come. LOL, I know, but it applies. Okay, enough of the psychologist. But, my heart went out to you on this Vincent. We've all been there before.
Brandon Iron
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:11PM
Chocolate_cougar: Do "readheaded munchkin males" qualify as "beatiful people" in your eyes?

I am hurt...so hurt. Time to lay off the chocolate. It has fattened your head and is turning you into an imbecile who doesn't respect other people's opinions. You melted my heart, but not my hand, which is still pimp-strong enough to beat some sense into your M&M-crusted cranium.

VincentVanGauge
Former Fucking Virgin

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1412 Posts
12/04
Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:39PM
Thank you for your nice words, Kat.
And hey you're right, I don't always want the girl crying on my shoulder. But if at least one girl could imagine to be with me that would give me confidence to believe another one might imagine that, too.
Or I could have tried to get into her, and it could have come out wrong, but at least there would have been something to learn from and to make better next time.
Oh well, I know I'm too negative but girls are just too great to be without them for so long without getting harmed a bit. But as long as there are nice and understanding girls here there's still hope. No to mention some even squirt.

If you flirt with a vagina it can squirt as far as China. I can dream.

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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 1:42PM
mod note: Let's continue the discussion without the personal attacks.
Pornographic Monster
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 2:19PM
Hi, Brandon. Speaking of respect, would you like to take this oppurtunity to apologize to Taylor Hill for what you did to her in the 'Throat Gaggers' scene you shot with her. To recap: you piston pumped her face with such heartyless ferocity that the gagging and vomiting caused her to bust a bloodvessel in her eye and she was subsequently reduced to tears after the shoot because it was such a bad experience for her. Some theorize that it's in large part why she no longer performs in pornographic videos. Didn't you get an inkling during the shooting that you were pushing her too far? You must have, but why didn't you stop? Why, Brandon? I see this time and time again in your pornographic videos: women with hurt and syrprised and many times scared looks on their faces due to your treatment of them. Why do you continue to do this, Brandon? This is not consensual. It is clear to anyone who watches your pornographic videos that these moments are your money shots. When the performers in them are taken advantage of once the camera is running and you push them into areas you obviously didn't discuss before hand. Anyway you slice it, it is vile and deliberate on your part. How can you live with yourself? Don't you see their pained and scared expressions in your sleep, accompanied with their gagging, retching, and gasping for air? Doesn't this make you feel bad? Of course you'll say "No" and play up your cretinous persona, but deep down where the real Brandon is, you know you've hurt people and videotaped it and sold it and live comfortably because of it. You will have to live with this until the day you die. And I doubt it'll be comfortably.
Cleetus VanDamme
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Simp is that you?
Pornographic Monster
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Posted - Aug 2 2005 : 2:37PM
No. I'm jamesn.


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Well, apparently that's an impossibility for some, so...
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