Why aren't twinks used for the MILF genre?

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Whatman Member 62 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jun 20 2014 : 8:01PM MILF and cougar scenes these days seem pointless because the male talent always looks like he's well into his 20s or 30s. There's nothing I hate more than a scene where the mother seduces her son's best friend or whatever, but he looks well into adulthood. This might put me at risk for sounding like a pedo, but I think the talent should look like actual teenage boys who have barely made it through High School. Make it as taboo as possible, to better reflect what has been happening in the news: hot teachers and mothers who have been banging guys as young as 15. Sure, that kind of thing is certainly illegal in real life, but I'd bet that 90% of the guys out there wouldn't have minded being "taken advantage of" at that age. And ideally, the MILF genre is supposed to bring that fantasy to life. I wonder if there is any company out there that is willing to experiment with much younger (but obviously legal) male pornstars? I've read that most of the very young looking but legal male performers are "twinks" who are usually employed for gay porn. Are they opposed to doing straight scenes with female talent, or do producers just never give them a chance? The only male pornstar I have seen that fits the bill is "Jordi" from FAkings. It's awesome seeing this guy taking on women who look like they're well past 30 or 40. I actually just tweeted him to see if he ever plans to do work in the US. Imagine him fucking a fully mature cougar like Julia Ann... [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jun 20 2014 : 8:32PM ^Not to distract from your overall point, but talking about teenage boys does not make you sound like a "pedo." A pedophile would be talking about prepubescent children. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 1:11PM I'm not going to comment on the part about you being considered a pedo because someone has already pointed out what attracts pedophiles. What I will say is that there are very few young men doing porn. At least on the hetero side of the industry. Most of the established performers couldn't pull off looking like an 18 to 20 year old because they are already much older. The other problem is that even if you can get some young men then maybe they will have a seriously hard time getting an erection knowing that they are about to have sex with women that are of their mother's age or older. P.S: Although in theory thinking that a 15 years old teenage boy having sex with a 30 year old woman would not be negatively affected. I think the reality is that he would be in the same way that a 15 years old girl having sex with a 30 year old man is. The age dynamic is so great that it's bound to have long term effect on how you deal with the opposite sex and figures of authority. [Link]
Blackie Member 935 Posts 3/14	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 1:45PM No teen age dude is going to go on camera for $100, ain't happening. $500? Yeah, but that ain't happening either. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 1:46PM ferronetwork.com is a Russian-language mega-network with many affiliate sites, some of which are "Guys For Matures", "Boys Love Matures", "Action Matures". There have a few guys who convincingly portray the young man character. Check out this link and this link to see a bit of their samples. [Link]

Whatman Member 62 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 2:16PM misspornUSA wrote: ^Not to distract from your overall point, but talking about teenage boys does not make you sound like a "pedo." A pedophile would be talking about prepubescent children. Click to expand You are absolutely right. Well, technically, at least. A lot of people seem hell bent on putting that label on anyone who shows the slightest interest in someone who could be under 18. ferronetwork.com is a Russian-language mega-network with many affiliate sites, some of which are "Guys For Matures", "Boys Love Matures", "Action Matures". There have a few guys who convincingly portray the young man character. Check out this link and this link to see a bit of their samples. Click to expand I've seen those sites before, but they don't do anything for me. I'm guessing the fantasy aspect of it is lost based on the lesser production values, language barrier, and how most of the performers appear to be total randoms/amateurs. So I forgot to mention a pornstar by the name of Jake Taylor, who seems to be the only active male talent in the US who can pass as a young guy. Here is one of his vids with Eva Karera. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 2:41PM Whatman wrote: I've seen those sites before, but they don't do anything for me. I'm guessing the fantasy aspect of it is lost based on the lesser production values, language barrier, and how most of the performers appear to be total randoms/amateurs. Click to expand To each his own; I can't argue with your preferences. But as a technical matter, I find the production values excellent. Perfect camera work and lighting. Hair, makeup, outfits are well-done. The sets are exquisite. The scenarios are entertaining. The performers are skilled at portraying the roles/characters. If I owned a porn studio, I would have my cameraman/director imitate ferronetwork's style of shooting. [Link]
Whatman Member 62 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 2:50PM Maybe I'll give it another chance. To be honest, I don't think I've ever ventured into their members section and have only seen low-quality clips here and there. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 6:04PM Whatman wrote: MILF and cougar scenes these days seem pointless because the male talent always looks like he's well into his 20s or 30s. There's nothing I hate more than a scene where the mother seduces her son's best friend or whatever, but he looks well into adulthood. This might put me at risk for sounding like a pedo, but I think the talent should look like actual teenage boys who have barely made it through High School. Make it as taboo as possible, to better reflect what has been happening in the news: hot teachers and mothers who have been banging guys as young as 15. Sure, that kind of thing is certainly illegal in real life, but I'd bet that 90% of the guys out there wouldn't have minded being "taken advantage of" at that age. And ideally, the MILF genre is supposed to bring that fantasy to life. I wonder if there is any company out there that is willing to experiment with much younger (but obviously legal) male pornstars? I've read that most of the very young looking but legal male performers are "twinks" who are usually employed for gay porn. Are they opposed to doing straight scenes with female talent, or do producers just never give them a chance? The only male pornstar I have seen that fits the bill is "Jordi" from FAkings. It's awesome seeing this guy taking on women who look like they're well past 30 or 40. I actually just tweeted him to see if he ever plans to do work in the US. Imagine him fucking a fully mature cougar like Julia Ann... Click to expand man I'm totally with you and I really like those scenes with Jordi with Bibian Norai and Zazel Paradise. Altough I'd like to see him a bit more active, but he's perfect for the role. Unfortunately as you know there's not many guys like that. The official reason is the one pat362 says, that they have difficulties to mantain the erection but I don't believe that. It could be more difficult for a young guy but there are also the examples of Tom Byron, James Deen (who did a lot of milf scenes when he was 18/19 year old, Ivan Nukes (the guy who worked at Score I mentioned in the other thread), Jake Taylor who seems to have any kind of problem. Anyway I could add only few other examples to your list, like Jeremy Austin (he did a scene with Darla Crane and Riley Reid, lucky man), Fredrick Way (a scene with Deauxma), another nameless eighteen boy who did a great scene at southern Charms with the very hot mature AhBree. And not much more. Brian Bulges, the guy who did those "Moms who love cock", Seth Gamble also started very young, altough now he seems a bit old for the part of the young guy. [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Jun 21 2014 : 8:47PM I've seen those sites before, but they don't do anything for me. I'm guessing the fantasy aspect of it is lost based on the lesser production values, language barrier, and how most of the performers appear to be total randoms/amateurs. Click to expand I can't speak for the male performers but some of the women are established European performers but you are correct that language and production value make these sites unappealing to almost everyone. I have joined the network once and more recently tried a couple of sites but I have yet to keep a single video on my drives. They are just bad. [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jun 26 2014 : 1:45PM I was thinking that young guys are used more by amateur sites. For instance at My dirty hobby there are Barbarabach and Nadja Summer who has done many scenes with young guys. And there are also other mature women there who do the same, but I have to look because now I don't remember the names of those milfs. [Link]
hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jun 26 2014 : 4:24PM Whatman wrote: Are they opposed to doing straight scenes with female talent, or do producers just never give them a chance? Click to expand I think mostly there just isn't enough demand for older woman/younger male porn to allow 18-19 year old heterosexual males to make decent money doing exclusively straight porn, and since reliability seems to be the biggest thing for a male pornstar (which is why most studios use the same proven guys over and over) those 18-19 year olds would be in their 20s by the time they're considered reliable, which is why most also do gay porn/escorting, which also puts a damper on the number of female performers and studios who will work with them. It's a shame because I think you've got the right idea: here's something I stumbled onto while trying to find recent work of classic softcore/B-movie stars like Michelle Bauer and Linnea Quigley: http://www.rapidheart.com/1313-cougar-cult/ They seem to pair up milfs with twinks, sadly it seems to be a homoerotic softcore movie, but those pairings would be great for straight milf/naughty teacher porn too. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 6/26/2014 4:39:24 PM [Link]
alexander_ Member 26 Posts 4/13	Posted - Jun 27 2014 : 12:05PM Whatman wrote: MILF and cougar scenes these days seem pointless because the male talent always looks like he's well into his 20s or 30s. There's nothing I hate more than a scene where the mother seduces her son's best friend or whatever, but he looks well into adulthood. Click to expand Exactly the point!!! Not only here but this 'Inappropriate' and 'sterile' depiction is all over.Take the matter of porn in general.There is no making out or kissing in most videos.Cameras tend to focus on only genitals, etc. etc., and a big stuff that is happening is taking the 'FORBIDDEN FRUIT' element out of porn.Performers act like they are doing a joke rather having sex.This brings a 'sterile' felling that just doesnt tick the right button. Edited by - alexander_ on 6/27/2014 12:14:08 PM [Link]
Whatman Member 62 Posts 10/10	Posted - Jun 29 2014 : 3:54PM The truth is that a lot of mainstream movies do a way better job of coupling older women with young guys. Most of the scenes in these films are shorter and lack anything explicit but are nevertheless effective because there is an actual plot with detailed characters. Here are a couple of noteworthy ones. A Teacher High school teacher is banging one of her students. This would have been even better if the sex scenes were more explicit. Films to Keep You Awake: Spectre Spanish horror story. Teenage boy (16) is seduced by a hot witch. Scorned Shannon Tweed has sex with the boy of a family who prompted her husband's suicide. Possibly the best seduction and sex scenes ever in the woman/boy genre. Star Maps Has a scene where a white woman (looks like a supermodel) picks up an underage male prostitute and has sex with him. The Mosquito Net Mother has sex with one of her son's underage friends. [Link]
ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jun 29 2014 : 4:50PM ^Those mainstream non-porn movies have the HUGE advantage of not requiring the performers to have real sex. Therefore they are free to cast the best actors to perform the role. In porn, the sex is the #1 requirement, which restricts the pool of possible actors to a very small one. So basically they do the best they can with what they have, as far as casting and acting ability and appropriateness for the roles. [Link]

leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jun 30 2014 : 6:34PM ninja1 wrote: ^Those mainstream non-porn movies have the HUGE advantage of not requiring the performers to have real sex. Therefore they are free to cast the best actors to perform the role. In porn, the sex is the #1 requirement, which restricts the pool of possible actors to a very small one. So basically they do the best they can with what they have, as far as casting and acting ability and appropriateness for the roles. Click to expand It would be more difficult for a young guy to mantain an erection in front of a camera, but I also doubt that guys like Jordi or James Deen or Tom Byron when they started their career are so exceptional. Because outside the milf genre is not so rare to see young guys (often nameless, but clearly very young), especially in those scenes based on the innocent look with teen girls and teen guys. [Link]
hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10	Posted - Jul 1 2014 : 7:36AM leatherface wrote: It would be more difficult for a young guy to mantain an erection in front of a camera, but I also doubt that guys like Jordi or James Deen or Tom Byron when they started their career are so exceptional. Because outside the milf genre is not so rare to see young guys (often nameless, but clearly very young), especially in those scenes based on the innocent look with teen girls and teen guys. Click to expand Are you saying that younger stunt dicks have a harder time maintaining an erection with milfs than their older counterparts, whereas this difference doesn't exist when paired up with younger women? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 2 2014 : 12:49PM hoochimama wrote: Are you saying that younger stunt dicks have a harder time maintaining an erection with milfs than their older counterparts, whereas this difference doesn't exist when paired up with younger women? Click to expand no, I'm just saying that even if inexperience could be an obstacle for a eighteen man on a porn set doesn't mean that only exceptional men could be reliable performers at that age, as it's been suggested by pat362 (and I guess that also many producers think so, considering that it's very rare to see young men in mainstream straight porn). That argument to me is really an exaggeration. [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jul 2 2014 : 2:03PM It's not that we think that young guys are usually not reliable performers, it's that we know that is the case from years of experience. Jacco [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 2 2014 : 2:34PM Jacco wrote: It's not that we think that young guys are usually not reliable performers, it's that we know that is the case from years of experience. Jacco Click to expand I wonder how those year of experience explain the fact that in amateur porn it's not so rare to see very young guys. And sorry for my skepticism but I doubt that there are a lot of castings. I understand the reasons for that (money), too bad because I guess that many like me would really prefer to see a milf fantasy done properly instead of those ridiculous scenes with grown up men impersonating teenagers, sons or steps-sons of women who sometimes are even younger than them. [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Jul 2 2014 : 7:26PM Because most amateur porn is either selfshot or with maybe just one cameraman, not with a full crew like a professional shoot. If you don't think that makes a difference then I can't do anything to convince you. Jacco [Link]
leatherface Senior Member 1258 Posts 7/07	Posted - Jul 3 2014 : 6:35AM Jacco wrote: Because most amateur porn is either selfshot or with maybe just one cameraman, not with a full crew like a professional shoot. If you don't think that makes a difference then I can't do anything to convince you. Jacco Click to expand I understand the difference, but what about sites like Fakings? http://www.fakings.com/actriz/jordi-el-nino-polla/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/adrian-brey/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/cristiano/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/miquel-duque/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/kevin-white/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/max-dominguez/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/kitty-y-kendo/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/irene-y-ramon/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/jotade/?1=1 http://www.fakings.com/actriz/walter-zeng/?1=1 the camera work by the way is better than in many american sites, and they use very often guys like those ones (there are also others). So, are all those guys exceptional? [Link]
Whatman Member 62 Posts 10/10	Posted - Oct 6 2014 : 8:52AM http://video-one.com/video/835d9ce369f25176a920572a3725a98d.html?fid=Handjob This guy is perfect for MILF porn. He goes by the name "David." Anyone have more info? [Link]
XXX Guy Member 88 Posts 1/09	Posted - Dec 23 2015 : 11:17PM Whatman wrote: MILF and cougar scenes these days seem pointless because the male talent always looks like he's well into his 20s or 30s. There's nothing I hate more than a scene where the mother seduces her son's best friend or whatever, but he looks well into adulthood. This might put me at risk for sounding like a pedo, but I think the talent should look like actual teenage boys who have barely made it through High School. Make it as taboo as possible, to better reflect what has been happening in the news: hot teachers and mothers who have been banging guys as young as 15. Sure, that kind of thing is certainly illegal in real life, but I'd bet that 90% of the guys out there wouldn't have minded being "taken advantage of" at that age. And ideally, the MILF genre is supposed to bring that fantasy to life. I wonder if there is any company out there that is willing to experiment with much younger (but obviously legal) male pornstars? I've read that most of the very young looking but legal male performers are "twinks" who are usually employed for gay porn. Are they opposed to doing straight scenes with female talent, or do producers just never give them a chance? The only male pornstar I have seen that fits the bill is "Jordi" from FAkings. It's awesome seeing this guy taking on women who look like they're well past 30 or 40. I actually just tweeted him to see if he ever plans to do work in the US. Imagine him fucking a fully mature cougar like Julia Ann... Click to expand Try MILTF 6 ( featuring Nina ) and quite a few other MILTF titles by Heatwave. My Friend's Hot Mom 3 and maybe some other MILF titles by Naughty America [Link]