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ekarth
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:17AM
nowadays almost every dvd comes with extra-feature 'behind the scenes'
But they only show
1. director keeps talking and talking for 30% of time
2. Lame interviews of the girls, who answer every question so predictably in a 'I'm a horny girl' accent. While we want to hear the actual human inside her.
Why don't they show things like
1. male performers unable to get erection or having difficulty in penetration or cumming or using viagra or injection to get hard-on.
2. girls cleaning their asses with enema or shaving pussies before the scene and after the cumshots.
3. many other things like director asking them to change position or cameraman asking the male actor to stop blocking the view to the girl's vagina.
Katar Hol
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 3:34AM
Is this a rhetorical question?
Johnothan Pedak
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 4:39AM
What do you want the real human to say?
Girl with Real Human Inside
"Don't you dare look down on me! I'm not the one who just paid $30 to rub one out to my scene. When you could have just used your imagination"
Edited by - Johnothan Pedak on 4/25/2010 4:40:27 AM
biggins
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657 Posts
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 12:26PM
I agree. I always thought some of the best porn was the BTS in movies.
I have purchased movies because of the BTS stuff. I and others have asked for
films that was really a start to finish BTS. The new BTS are getting as predictable
as the films themselfs lately. Example: When you see a lex or mandingo enter
a very small woman with no problem it's rather boring. I'd like to see the
"work in " part like some of the older films use to do.
Uppercut
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74 Posts
3/08
Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 12:39PM
"girls cleaning their asses with enema or shaving pussies before the scene and after the cumshots."
Why on earth would anyone want to see that?
 
miloandtock1
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85 Posts
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 2:02PM
Yes some of the BTS stuff is pretty predictable.
I think the most unexpected thing in a BTS was from Space Invaderz and Aurora Snow was doing her homework (I presume for college) and the other actress was joking with her about what a nerd she was. In the bathroom in the back are some of the guys (probably Jay Ashley, Erik Everhard, Pat Myne, etc) probably taking turns in the shower cleaning off between scenes.
But Aurora doing her homework is pretty funny and intriguing and insightful at the same time.
Taco Shop 2 shows Mick Blue and Mark Wood and director Mike Quasar making fun of Chris Charming and the way he treats women he is going to do in a scene. Mick is quite the imitator and Mark just goes hysterical. I guess they each know Chris well enough from the industry that they can joke about him.
Some BTS show positions - like a DP position or a triple penetration that just couldn't or just never worked or were too cumbersome for the actual movie.
Or when a guy/guys is/are interviewed and they have not yet or just meeting the girl they are doing in the scene - to the guys, this is a job and they have to do it and are getting paid for that scene. There is zero interest in any kind of romantic or tender feelings for the girl sometimes.
Also interesting are the points where the director is telling the male talent what to do or how to position themselves in a multiple male/gangbang scene. Funny to see the guys standing there waiting and stroking themselves having a conversation as plain as day.
Or the photo ops during or after a scene. Especially after, I guess the guys are used to shooting their load and stand there or position themselves and having to maintain a partial erection for a few pictures - all part of a day's work.
bootymeister
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 6:33PM
BTS is great! The obligatory lame interviews shuuld be eiliminated. Pornstars who are not prepared or not interested in BTS should not be forced to comply. Other than that, anything offered in the way of BTS is a bonus and is appreciated.
Rosco Fuji
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 8:39PM
I could completely do without the BTS. I look at it as nothing more than filler material that normally would be thrown away. Do I really need to see a girl with no makeup unpacking a suitcase of bras and panties? Not really!
backdoorman
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Posted - Apr 25 2010 : 8:49PM
And you call yourself a porn fan ?
vand
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 11:37AM
I'm quite into scenes where after the guy shoots, and we get the follow up, the cameras keep rolling to show the Kleenex coming out, and cum being wiped from faces, tits etc. Sometimes it happens in ordinary scenes, sometimes in BTS, sometimes not. Has anyone else the same fascination, or any reccomendations?
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The above is my quest for a specific part of bts, but no I've never seen an enema yet either!
Libertine
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 6:26PM
"I'm quite into scenes where after the guy shoots, and we get the follow up, the cameras keep rolling to show the Kleenex coming out, and cum being wiped from faces, tits etc. Sometimes it happens in ordinary scenes, sometimes in BTS, sometimes not. Has anyone else the same fascination, or any reccomendations?"
Yes
"sleeping around" by Wicked Pictures has a really good BTS extra, mainly because Stormy Daniels gets most of the limelight, and theres some really fun talks between her and the performers. I wont ruin it for you, but theres one really cool part between her and some guy hust after he shoots.
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 10:58PM
I do prefer a fly on the wall approach over the "stick a camera in the girl's face and start asking questions" approach. Interviews are good, but they can be called interviews and be their own menu option in the extras. I like BTS to be more about the cast and crew going about their business and having conversations with each other and not acknowledging the camera that much. On the other hand, I have seen some BTS over the years that I thought came awfully close to revealing performers' personal information. Those BTS could and should have been edited more, I thought.
AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy
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Posted - Apr 26 2010 : 11:17PM
A behind the scenes moment that was priceless to me was when Lucy Lee got into a dudes face that wouldn't leave her alone on a Jim Power's set. She was about to kick some ass and you could see it in her face. All the guy's on the set were scrambling. She called one of them "pencil dick". I fucking love her!

mich
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Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 12:49AM
There is a great bit with Gauge though I forget from which movie it is. It's a couch scene, she gets a facial if I recall correctly, then she and the crew are all talking. She gets up and goes up to I guess the director, hands and face covered still, and tries to hug him and grab him and he's grossed out. Everyone, including the director is laughing. It was funny as well as being a good candid moment.
Edited by - mich on 4/27/2010 12:50:31 AM
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 3:35AM
I suppose there are many possible answers. The most obvious one being that it's just there so they can put it on the cover as an extra feature. They know some people look for this stuff.
It's pretty obvious by watching a lot of porn there aren't a lot of pornographers who are truly passionate about what they do. That would be a requirement for truly good BTS material.
Some of the guys who might be inclined to make some really good stuff for the BTS might be equally disinclined by the way their critics are likely to respond to anything they do or say. It's easy to say "You guys should do better on the BTS!". It's probably hard to pour your heart and soul into something over and over and get negative responses every time.
 
phoenix_marie1
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6/08
Posted - Apr 27 2010 : 2:18PM
http://www.ztod.com/scene.php?lid=5747&tid=2144&scene_id=2663
All of my BTS stuff looks like this 100% real and normally just wrong lol
bootymeister
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Posted - Apr 28 2010 : 10:13AM
If BTS is on a dvd, just skip it if you do not like it. Many times there is interesting info in the BTS. Other times there is true passionate fucking that is solely for the pleasure of the talent invloved, and not part of the content. Sometimes the stars can not wait for the scene to start, other times they personal liberty during a break in the shoot, and sometimes the scene is over and the guy has popped and they still want to fuck. This real downtime fucking is only occasional though.
overrated guy
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Posted - Apr 28 2010 : 12:45PM
Ms. Rhoenix,
Being a member of ZTOD site I alreday watched the full version of such BTS and totally agree with you, it is great. However ZTOD, 3rd Degree and other many sites usually do not offer hot behind the scenes shots...
I am also in that opinion, BTS must have some quality...
Edited by - overrated guy on 4/28/2010 12:47:13 PM
Draxxx
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Posted - Apr 28 2010 : 10:04PM
I like having BTS footage but there's no hard and fast rules as to what I might find interesting. Depending on the girl and who's asking the question interviews can be interesting or boring. Depending on what's happening on set or what's being shot during downtime can be great or make me not care. i might not always like the BTS but I like having it there to check out if I'd like to.
Aplus
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Posted - Apr 29 2010 : 6:02PM
I also get the feeling that a lot of the people behind them, simply get tired of doing them. I also get a feeling a lot of the onscreen talent get annoyed by them too. I think it can very from film-to-film though.
The best BTS to me have the director or the film's cameraman directly involved in them, or have female/male talent behind the camera. Those "rarely" disappoint me. The rest are all crapshoots IMO.
georgez
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Posted - May 7 2010 : 12:52PM
I just saw a scene of Vanessa Lane having real sex with a guy in Justine's Red Letters behind the scenes. I found it so hot! anyone seen anything like this?
Algaliarept
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Posted - May 8 2010 : 11:48PM
Mike Quasar's BTS is always worthwhile. I look forward to watching it first everytime I buy one of his films.
However, a lot of directors do just tack on some "how did you get into the business" and "what are your future plans" type stuff.
It is much more fun to just be a fly on the wall (see Mike Quasar's bts) and plenty of nudity
Algaliarept
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Posted - May 8 2010 : 11:49PM
do many women shave their pussy's after the cumshot?
Algaliarept
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3557 Posts
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Posted - May 21 2010 : 11:26PM
I once bought a DVD by Simon Wolf that was nothing but BTS...but it didn't really live up to my expectations
Bluto
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Posted - May 29 2010 : 3:11PM
Strangely, guys mugging for the camera is not that interesting.
 
zambi
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Posted - Jun 6 2010 : 10:34PM

The best BTS scenes are the ones where they reveal personal stuff
about themselves are their lives. For example, Belladonna has
really good BTS scenes. Chris Streams has done a few good BTS
scenes in his movies. Just showing girls getting their makeup
done, putting on clothes, and wiping off cum and showering is
boring.
Algaliarept
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3557 Posts
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Posted - Jun 6 2010 : 11:12PM
I find the banter between Chris, the performers, and the hispanic make-up artist (who's name I can't remember now) priceless
crazyman1212
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3/06
Posted - Jun 9 2010 : 12:46AM
I remember this one scene it was Booty Talk movie BTS and they were filming and in the background, on a little couch, not even on camera Byron Long was fucking this girl who was in the movie.. They director was like hey what are you to up to? It was real fucking not this for camera shit and it was so much hotter than the scene she was in. The girl I don't think I ever saw her again. if this kind of thing exists we need more of it in BTS.
zambi
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Posted - Jun 9 2010 : 4:08AM

Jim Powers has some great BTS because he does these crazy sometimes
disgusting movies and you get to see what the knucklehead chicks are
really like who perform in his movies. Unfornately a lot of the good
BTS stuff he saves to use for his Most Outrageous Outtakes DVDs. Some
of those girls are real skanks that will do anything. I saw the infamous
Lucy Lee BTS where she goes off on the camera guy and tries to beat
him up. There were are couple for White Trash Whore were the girl
had to stop or started crying cause she was getting gangbanged too hard.
Couple times the guys got into fights. He also has footage of a lot
of girls getting into fights doing those Violation of ... movies. Those
are hilarious. One time Kylie Ireland wanted to punch a girl out and
she's walking about butt naked yelling at this girl. Ashley Blue is
funny also she has no respect for other girls.
Belladonna talks about her real life past and present on BTS. Her's is
pretty cool. I remember time she talked about how Nacho Vidal used to
cocaine up her ass. Nacho was using abusing her. Her husband is a meth
head. One time he showed his teeth and you could see they were just
nubs which is classic sign of a meth abuser.
The worst BTS is when they just the camera guy taking pics of the girls
posing for the box cover or DVD photos. Or they watch the girl getting
her makeup done. If they talk to them I want to here some personal shit
or I want to see some BTS of them fucking to see how the girls really
act when they are doing these scenes.
Algaliarept
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Posted - Jun 11 2010 : 3:42AM
= phoned in
Cerebral Jedi
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Posted - Jun 11 2010 : 9:36AM
Why would you want to see that?
I guess it's no big deal or secret some cats may partake of the viagra, but who would go on record, let alone visual record, as needing injections to get it up?
Karloff
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Posted - Jan 31 2011 : 7:22AM
If they don't show babes it should be eliminated.
alphadachs
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 : 8:53PM
Well, yeah, I do usually skip the BTS. I have watched a few of them, but generally found them to be boredom squared and now take a pass. Same for most of the rest of the various extras (especially photo galleries -- why in hell would I want to watch stills on a video recording?) So yes it's easy just to skip the extras. But, I often wonder how much (if at all?) they increase the cost of the DVD. Am I paying a financial penalty buying something I don't want (however unavoidable), or is there no significant effect on the price?
Not that I am likely to pass on a movie I want to see because of the presence of extras, but they are certainly not an inducement for me to buy it. As I once said on another thread, I buy a movie for the movie, not the ancillaries.
hoochimama
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 : 9:12PM
That was really hot and it's what I like to see in BTS: sexy stuff. I don't care for the in-your face interviews, what I like is seeing unedited footage, the pauses between takes, the bloopers, the laughs, the accidents, everything, as if I was actually on the set.
Like biggins said I'd like a start to finish BTS, give me as much raw footage as you can, I don't much care for the way videos are edited into fantasy scenarios.
miloandtock1
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 4:36PM
Well, came across what I think is a first in a behind the scenes - Donnie Cabo interviewed now-retired Joe Blow for a few minutes...rather unusual for the BTS to have any time talking in earnest with male talent.
And the kicker was asking Joe about how he liked double vaginal and what he thought of it, especially in his personal life.
Wondering if anyone knows any other BTS moments where the male talent is questioned at length or reveals something unusual or interesting about the porn industry?
I think the BTS of Taco Shop 2 - where Mick Blue and Mark Wood are making fun of Chris Charming - they truly see to get a kick out of it...shows male talent in lighthearted moment.
The BTS of Lewd Conduct 23 shows a little with Scott Nails and Tony T (acting loopy as usual). It also shows the immediate post-scene ( of the 4some with Brian Surewood and Alexis Sunshine) - Tony again is talking loopy, while Alexis is holding Brian and Scott's slowly-deflating cocks to make them look hard as Chicok takes some post-cumshot photos while she still has the three loads on her face and chest. Scott looks pretty tired but Tony is wound up. Poor Scott ends up closest to her in the one photo - no wonder he looks semi-disgusted - that close to all that cum drying up on her...dried up cum never smells good lol.
 
Peoples Temple
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 4:55PM
I usually skip BTS. The first thing I like to do is to play trailers before even watching the main feature. I wish more effort would go into trailers. Most studios are too lazy to put out some quality trailers. ATK studio puts out quality trailers but they keep recycling the same ones on virtually every title. Homegrown Select studio does the same, gives plenty of trailers but they are recycled and give a Bonus scene which is the same lame scene on hundreds of titles. The picture gallery is more nonsense I don't bother with. I really like a good Bio section but very few people do this. Kick Ass studio did the best Bios.
Please focus on some quality Trailers. It is in the best interest for a studio to do so to sell other titles. You would think they would have learned this by now.
monkey power
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 8:00PM
Is there an actual reason why they always ask the question "How long have you been in the business?"
Or does this always get asked just because they're desperately looking for ways to fill time, like a Sportstalk Radio interview where every athlete gets the same questions every time because in the end it's just sports and there's really nothing to talk about. I mean, the athlete doesn't even have to HEAR the questions, because he knows that the answer to the first question is always going to be "Oh, Definitely!" and the proper response to the 2nd question is "Well, we're going to keep taking it one game at a time." POINTLESS.
Regular porn fans will already know how long she's been around and new viewers will only be confused by such time-sensitive questions because by the time the movie comes out the answers are way out of date anyway.
I prefer the BTS segments where they just have people playing pingpong or something. Or having some of the sneaky extra sex that they think is private but now it's on BTS. Or when they pal around and goof in ways that reveal what it's actually like to spend time with that person. That's more enjoyable than the canned stuff like "So, when did you start having sex? Was it in the past?" ........ (wait for it)...... "Oh, definitely!"
Draxxx
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Posted - Jul 25 2011 : 10:04PM
Yes! I've never understood why every company doesn't have trailers to show customers what they have to offer. I've bought many movies in the past based on seeing trailers I liked. But I prefer trailers that are straightforward and simple and name the performers in the movie. I hate trailers where it's just a series of super fast fancy cuts and effects that you can barely make out what's happening or who's in them.
Peoples Temple
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 12:06AM
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Draxxx wrote:
Yes! I've never understood why every company doesn't have trailers to show customers what they have to offer. I've bought many movies in the past based on seeing trailers I liked. But I prefer trailers that are straightforward and simple and name the performers in the movie. I hate trailers where it's just a series of super fast fancy cuts and effects that you can barely make out what's happening or who's in them.
[/quote]
Exactly, but understand that the people who produce adult material are not that bright in general and do not use common sense. The studios that continually make trailers that are produced at a super fast forward speed so we can't make out what we are seeing are the most paranoid and regressive of them all. The whole point of a trailer is to advertise what you have to offer and make it presentable to the audience so we will WANT to view your content.
The trailers are the best marketing tool but unfortunately Studios put little effort into it. I think a lot has to do with directors trying to complete the main feature and not caring much about anything else. They feel their job is done when they complete the main feature and the studio puts next to no effort into the Extras.
Digmen1
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629 Posts
7/07
Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 2:00AM
Yes I have started to collect bts clips.
A few are great, most are a bit boring.
But then again is porn is boring nowadays.
They fuck mish then cowgirl, then reverse cowgirl, then the guy strokes off while the girl is on her knees.
Where is the variety ?

charn
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 10:42AM
I usually practice sexual discrimination in BTS. The male directors seem to have different ideas of what makes watchable BTS. If the director is female I am more likely to watch her extras. Most of my favorites are by Triangle Films.
leatherface
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7/07
Posted - Jul 31 2011 : 6:56AM
i like a lot the behind the scenes stuff, but basically what i like the most, more than interviews or other things is to see the scene that i like from a different angle.
miloandtock1
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85 Posts
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 10:24PM
The BTS to Praise the Load 1 is a movie unto itself...over an hour long - and some insight as to the girls - and the guys - both before, during and after the scenes...and the necessary stop action for picture posing, and the necessary immediate post-cumshot pictures...I'm always amazed at seeing four naked men like Arnold Schwarzenpecker, Mike Hash, Mark Zane and Johnny Fender or Steve Taylor in their scenes crowd together closely for the obligatory four hard cocks over her face shot and the post cumshot pictures with the girl's face and body glazed and dripping and the guys crowding in trying to keep a semi-hard on for the pictures.
some good funny witty moments from Mike John and Tim VonSwine...worth the rental or purchase
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