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SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Nov 28 2014 : 6:03PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on Dec 2 2014 [Link]
LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05	Posted - Nov 29 2014 : 11:05AM ^ MindGeek owns half of the Industry I really don't see them trying to stop themselves [Link]
DVDstuff All-Star Member 2966 Posts 9/14	Posted - Nov 29 2014 : 1:25PM Even if they wanted to stop it they would need a united front and a shit ton of money to begin lawsuits over this sort of thing. Considering how taboo porn still is to a lot of people the lawsuits would either be thrown out or not have a favorable ruling for the industry. More websites are releasing content now. I would rather have an DVD then spend time downloading stuff. But the industry isn't directed to my generation of collectors, hence the piracy taking over. The younger people want content online. They don't want it in a DVD that their wife or mom can find. Also in my day 1GB hard drive was great. Now you can get 2TB hard drives and store everything! The future might definitely be with websites and exclusive content. [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Nov 29 2014 : 6:12PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on 12/2/2014 5:20:34 PM [Link]
DVDstuff All-Star Member 2966 Posts 9/14	Posted - Nov 30 2014 : 1:53AM It's that expensive. [Link]

Maxxx Stirner Deactivated User 319 Posts 11/14	Posted - Nov 30 2014 : 2:47AM Maybe it shouldn't be stopped. Perhaps their should be a vanguard of pornographic business that accept the coming reality of cc and other post copyright activity. Information is becoming freer with 3D printing and crypto currency around the corner. What porn should be as a business is ahead of the curve compared to their dinosaur cousins. Think up new forms of payment based more around a patreon type payment system and just accept the free riders. Free riding exists all over nature, I don't see why a market form of free riding can't exist. In closing, go post copyright, use social funding and loyal patron based payments(pay out not pay up), and ditch the profit motive. Maybe a little bit, but not as a point to structure business. Look into economic ideas like mutualism particularly as described by Kevin Carson and pioneer a new business model. [Link]
Slector Member 655 Posts 2/14	Posted - Nov 30 2014 : 6:46AM Isn't this pretty much the same argument that came around with the music industry when Napster first started up? We all know how that ended up. Same situation here. Tube sites are not going away, the porn industry like the music industry, will have to adapt and evolve. It just the signs of the times. [Link]
DVDstuff All-Star Member 2966 Posts 9/14	Posted - Nov 30 2014 : 9:42AM Like I said I'm probably younger than most here, but from a different generation collector wise. I want a physical product in hand. That's why I draw images of my favorite stars in classic poses and change colors to their lingerie, shoes, etc and make it MINE! I would rather have it on my wall after I drew it than on my hard drive searching for it. If you want the same copy as everyone else go for it. And I hate to break it to all the iTune lovers out there, but compression music is not the way to go. I would rather listen to hisses and pops in my music the way God intended REAL music lovers know that vinyl is on the upswing again. Not everyone threw out their records! This happened with Napster. Yeah, have that discussion if you want. But if the adult industry was dying as a physical median I don't think it ever would've dipped its toes in the fountaion of blu-ray. Money may be changing hand on a lot of these "piracy" sites with the giant porn producers. But as always the only people who are feeling the affects or are losing out are the performers who don't have their own websites and exclusive content. Just like when the whole Napster thing happened. It was Metallica and Dr. Dre sitting before Congress and not the indie band from Witchtia Falls, Kanasas that was trying to become know. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Dec 1 2014 : 12:16AM SomeEngineer wrote: I'm an engineer. I was thinking the other day about piracy on tube sites, and realized I could build a system which could detect pirated content on tube sites more or less as soon as it was uploaded. Combined with a way to autogenerate DMCA notices and a good lawyer on retainer ready to sue the noncompliant, I figured I'd have a product porn companies would pay for. However, it seems like other people have had the same idea. Nonetheless, MindGeek is still going strong and its tubes are full of pirated content. What's going on here? Anyone who can explain this situation to me, please do so. What's stopping the industry from taking down the tubes? They're not exactly Pirate Bay. Click to expand There are some sites that just straight up don't respond to DMCA takedowns (and IIRC, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act is a US law, so if you set up your company and servers in the right locations, there wouldn't really be any way to force you to comply). Even when companies do respond, they're allowed a certain amount of time to delete the content. And even when the content gets deleted, the majority of the time someone else just uploads it again. And one the reasons it would cost a lot of money is because it would never stop, and at best it would only slow down a little. It's not like you'd issue a month's worth of takedowns and then you'd be able to be done for the next few weeks/months, you'd have to be putting the same amount of effort in for months if not years, and the minute you slow down is when your content starts showing back up en masse. [Link]
darthroc Member 754 Posts 4/14	Posted - Dec 1 2014 : 12:40AM I guess porn needs its own Steve Jobs. [Link]
mharris127 Senior Member 1844 Posts 8/09	Posted - Dec 1 2014 : 8:16PM We need a law that requires CEOs and other high-up execs that own companies like FuckGeek/Manfuck that pirate large amounts of copyrighted movies (say over 500 on the site at any one time) to spend the rest of their lives in prison, be fucked up the ass by five bubbas nightly if male or if female get mutilated where it hurts and both genders getting 24 whacks with a Singapore cane in public and the caning broadcast on the 6pm news. Until we attack it where it hurts the executives and majority owners physically we won't eliminate the problem. If this doesn't work add a torturous execution to the mix and broadcast it on the news in its entireity. [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 1 2014 : 10:17PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on 12/2/2014 5:20:16 PM [Link]
darthroc Member 754 Posts 4/14	Posted - Dec 1 2014 : 11:30PM Slector wrote: Isn't this pretty much the same argument that came around with the music industry when Napster first started up? We all know how that ended up. Same situation here. Tube sites are not going away, the porn industry like the music industry, will have to adapt and evolve. It just the signs of the times. Click to expand There is one big difference: pre napster days was a ripoff. pre mindgeek days wasnt. Paying $30 a month to a porn paysite basically turns your computer into an entire adult video store. A much different story than back in the 90s. The music industry made no effort to .com themselves before naptster. Porn .comed themselves long before mindgeek tubesites came along. By the early 2000s you were already able to turn your computer into an adult video store. [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 1 2014 : 11:47PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on 12/2/2014 5:20:00 PM [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 3:26AM There's already a guy running a company like this. He periodically has someone post his self-congratulatory press releases in the Porn News forum. [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 5:26AM One of the major issues is that Mindgeek owns half the industry, as previously mentioned. Someone posted a good article about this, it was either from Salon or Slate. I think the comparison to music is silly, musicians can still make a living touring, although not as much as previously or nearly as much as some claim. There is no equivalent in porn, stripping and escorting are related but not the same thing as porn. [Link]
Randy03 Deactivated User 121 Posts 11/13	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 5:54AM However, it seems like other people have had the same idea. Nonetheless, MindGeek is still going strong and its tubes are full of pirated content. What's going on here? Anyone who can explain this situation to me, please do so. What's stopping the industry from taking down the tubes? They're not exactly Pirate Bay. Click to expand I get the impression that many studios use these Tube sites as a platform to market 5-10 minute trailers of their own productions. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 6:23AM That's more out of desperation than anything else. [Link]
DVDstuff All-Star Member 2966 Posts 9/14	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 7:44AM SomeEngineer wrote: @DVDstuff Do you know roughly how expensive? Click to expand The adult industry is a billion dollar organization. The last estimate I was aware of made it somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 billion. They're not a union of any sort, but collectively their revenue is shocking to many who believe it is just a bunch of crazies getting naked and screwing on camera. But this total incorporates things like adult bookstores, which sell movies, and also strip clubs which do the same. Any any corporate law firm wouldn't dare touch this case unless the lawsuit amounted to 20% of its annual revenue. But here's the rub ... All of the production houses are seperate from one another. So really there's no reason to take this on as a case for one production company that makes nowhere near that by itself. The adult industry, more specifically the film side of the adult industry, is not the NFL. There is no giant board of directors protecting its self-interests. The individual production houses do not send money to an entity designed for its protection and receives its only protection from one thing ... Freedom of Speech. Now that's the simplest way I can put it. But as we have seen in this great country of ours, freedom of speech can be used to condone anything from racism to rioting. So all of the piracy sites at the end of the day would hire lawyers to run around screaming at the top of their lungs in this country "freedom of speech". And then if that didn't work their next cry would be "its captialism". Now I dare you to find me the judge who is going to side with the "nasty old porn industry" over people who hide behind the constitution. Find me that judge because I sure as hell don't know one. Like I said it isn't worth it. [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 1:09PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on 12/2/2014 5:19:54 PM [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 1:09PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on 12/2/2014 5:19:48 PM [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 1:09PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on 12/2/2014 5:19:20 PM [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 1:09PM [deleted] Edited by - SomeEngineer on 12/2/2014 5:19:07 PM [Link]
SomeEngineer Member 9 Posts 11/14	Posted - Dec 2 2014 : 5:18PM Although I came here seeking information, I realize that what I've mostly done is leave what I'm thinking lying around where people could find it. I'm not particularly worried, but I'd just as soon not do anything that helps them. I'm deleting my posts, and asking the mods to delete the thread. If they don't do that sort of thing, I'd appreciate it if others deleted their posts too, although obviously its up to you. Thanks folks! [Link]

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