''The unexamined life is not worth living''

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In my case, the third would always be another male, and I would hope for interaction between my lover and my "husband." (Not being married, I use that trm to mean SO.)

The girl-girl thing seems to be more about women are less likely to be turned off by things that might not necessarily float their boat than men are.

While some women would be fine with a girl-girl fantasy, even the ones that have no interest in it will probably watch it. At least it's "pretty."

Don't believe me? I have watched perfectly straight women sit in a strip club and watch chiks take their clothes off and be fine with it. But ask a perfectly straight guy to go to a strip club and watch MEN take their clothes off and he'll find so many ways to get out of it that your head will spin. Check it out when the LA Men dance at Erotica LA. It answers a lot of questions.LOL

Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs, Lady B

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You make a lot of sense. Thanks for your insight, I appreciate it.

I'm a man myself and have mixed with straights, gays and bi's in my social life. My view is that, when it comes to sex, straight men are the kings of double standards. For example, they expect a woman to make out with another woman but recoil from the very notion of male-male interactions. Throw an image of an attractive man at them and they start to squirm, and yet they have no qualms about throwing images of naked and half-naked women at women.

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Notice how in today's age, it's politically correct for straight men to brag about how much they like girl-girl but it's not politically correct for straight women to brag about how they like male-male. It's a double standard that's being driven by the straight porn industry.

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"Fem porn. Those two words in a 100,00 word book on porn are about as much coverage that the genre earns through sales. But in these PC times, one must waste space to deal with myths."

"Historically limited to one half of the population, some pornographers seek the Holy Grail of "couples porn", a mythical form of sexually explicit entertainment that attracts women as much as men. That it doesn't exist doesn't stop those with an agenda from seeking it out."

A very interesting article from someone with intimate knowledge of the porn industry.

Edited by - don juan on 2/9/2005 7:51:38 PM

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-T.C.

Comstock Films: Films For People Who Like Sex

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Plus, in the market today, if a film that is majority straight features any male to male activity it usually gets bumped to the bi market, and a lot of cable companies won't touch that.

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LOL This is what happens when you let people on a forum try to make marketing decisions....great site fodder though...thanks

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#1 - Condoms

#2 - Lack of decent looking guys (the ladies need something to look at too)

#3 - The money these days is in owning your own movies and having someone distribute for you. The companies that make couples porn tend not to offer this option to their directors, some of the gonzo companies do.

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you people are being morons...couples vids are the most profitable sector of porn...you think vivid or digital playground gives one rats ass what they sell in a store?

they make money off of PPV and cable

get real people theres a lot more to porn than gonzo

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Perhaps a better title for this thread would be "How I think couple's porn could be improved" or even "Where couple's porn has gone wrong , in my opinion ." Personally I'd like to see far less g/g in features (as it mostly sucks anyway) and more 1on1 b/g stuff . And from my experience lipstick lesbian scenes do aggravate any potential female audience .

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"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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I don't think I'm afraid of sex, but I'm deathly afraid of bad filmmaking. Trying to strike a balance between being able to see the giblit without the camera work becoming stilted is a delicate and often frustrating challenge.

-T.C.

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Time wasted: Gone forever

Being called a moron by Mike South: Priceless

Edited by - cobalt60 on 2/10/2005 11:41:35 AM

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I'm guessing this is your pet crusade.....well here ya go hot rod....you think you can make a million bucks doing it...God Bless ya... this is America... have at it.

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IMHO:
Marketing and PPV/cable aside. I think "couples porn" (as so labeled) tends to falsely equate soft sex in action with love and tenderness in emotion. That's why it often will fall flat with women. Often a good hard screwing with a lot of passion and physical adoration between characters is the real ticket. And nothing turns my wife off faster than "Lipstick Lesbian."

To return to Arthur's initial suggestion. I think that a feature with either only b/g or equal parts b/g, g/g, and b/b will have a better likelyhood of actually appealing to the wider female audiance, but the action should be equal partners with the emotion.

To add to this discussion we should ask what makes the popular (or long-standing) mainstream romance movies popular, and then what would it take to instill those qualities into a sexually explicit film?

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It's funny how a thread can get away from you. Name-calling aside, I've really enjoyed reading everyone's comments, and I think you ALL have made some very valid points.

I try to chart the mainstreaming of adult film by contrasting/comparing it to the mainstreaming of adult literature. In the 60's, a thriving pornographic paperback industry had a fairly large selection in pretty much every major urban bookstore, -- much larger, I suspect, than you'll find today. When extreme adult content began appearing in "mainstream," mass-market, brand-author paperbacks, there was more comment over the use of street language than the description of specific sex acts. Just as twenty-five years ago, every adventure movie and crime film wasn't speckled with the language working men and women use in real life. (Go back and look at Steve McQueen's "Bullitt" -- one of the best films of the 60's -- and see how the movie saves its one expletive for one of the show's final scenes.)

Before 1968, the word "fuck" or "shit" in a book literally made it illegal in some people's minds. And a whole population of people really felt that any reference to the previsions in a public document was immoral. Such things were so powerful that to name them was to spread them. Ignorance, they felt was the only protection. Between Stonewall (in 1969) and the advent of AIDS came a twelve year period when men and women - both straight and gay - began to make various sides of their lives known to each other and to a wide range of American readers.

Adult films and video have been a part of this process. Chloe Sevigny, an Oscar-nominated actress for "Boys Don't Cry," became a part of this process when she performed hardcore fellatio on Vincent Gallo in his mainstream film "The Brown Bunny." And I believe this process will continue, blurring the line between adult and mainstream film, just as the line was successfuly blurred in literature some years ago.

Thanks,

Daniel Metcalf
Wicked Pictures

"I am most proud of my integrity and least proud of my cynicism."

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Edited by - respect on 3/4/2005 3:59:43 PM

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Here's a free hint, it's not making you look either big nor clever and it only hurts your argument in general.

scipio

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I made ONE generalzation in my previous post: women care about male looks. If "couples porn" is geared towards women, the dvd covers would show the male actors, too.

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I know that dumblonde, renee... watch porn. But i also know that dumblonde complained about too much girl-girl and the looks of the male actors.

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The inference from your quote there is clearly that women don't watch "couples" porn, and that those who do, do so under some kind of duress or coersion.

Because, obviously, you know what all women are thinking and feeling and their motivations?

ok, I've beaten this dead horse. I'll lay off now.

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You make a lot of sense.

It bears repeating that couples porn is skewed towards male heterosexual fantasies and pays scant attention to what a woman might like to see. For instance, a couples porn film from the straight porn industry still won't show male-male interactions even if the woman, like many women, likes to watch it.

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