Hmmm, sorry, I didn't mean to paint an unfaithful portrait of you Lisa. I just swore I read something alone those lines and I remember it putting a big smile on my face. I guess maybe I was wrong. All the which makes my point even more clear. Why would a "hobbyist" shell out buku bucks to spend time with one of his favorite porn stars, only to get a "sanitized" version of what they would see on screen? Many men utilize escorts because they want to play the part of the, in the words of Kimi Lixx, porn director that wants "a nastier, more outrageous performance", from a girl who knows the ropes. Your average guy, and especially a regular porn viewer, expects to get more from an escort than he can out of your average woman. From what I gather it's hard enough to find regular escorts who offer things like anal sex. If a customer cannot expect to receive more extreme services from porn-star escorts who are all too familiar with extreme acts, why should he shell out extra cash to spend time with them when he could have a standard escort for 3-4 hours for the same amount of dough? Obviously there are certain sex acts that must be avoided for safety reasons, but if I spent time with a porn-star escort I'd be wanting, and expecting, to live out moments from some of her hardest core flicks and then some.
Dave posted that in this thread in Feb last year.. and one of the biggest pornstar escort agencies got busted not too long ago with most of the paper trail intact.
As for services you pay for what you want. A hooker will provide you with a "girlfriend experinence" (GFE) whilst a porn queen will offer a pornstar experience (PSE). The fan wants what he see's on screen and will pay accordingly. The bonus is that condoms are always used minimizing risks for both parties.
As its been stated a hooker/stripper only needs a few movies under her belt to start charging a much higher rate and then stops with the movies.
Went to AdultFYI and what a waste of time although I did get a kick out of seeing Jamie Gillis getting choked in the redboard.com ad...nice to see him on the receiving end for a changeThe AdultFYI slogan- "Your source for news,gossip,reviews and more" is laughable.I did a search with the name of the actress in question and came up with nothing but this is recent news and come to think of it;I think too explosive for AdultFYI from my cursory glance there.I get the impression that she has very low self-esteem and is controlled by her SO (I shot her once and she seemed nice but her and her SO were so zoned out to the max on something that I wanted to postpone the shoot but her SO/manager ordered her "Do the scene...we need the money!") and I pity her but I pity the people she infected more because they are losing work while they do their course of antibiotics.I'm just glad that I am not involved.
On that point,I will not reveal the name of the actress but someone probably will attempt to here or elsewhere.Now female talent has another valid reason when answering the question posed "Why do a lot of pornstars go into escorting?" because of her and her SO who are two very selfish people for altering the bad test.
Why do pornstars escort? For the extra money, can't think of anything else. Having done porn gives them opportunity to charge much more than your usual street hooker and it makes enough money to compensate for all the risk, both physical and emotional. I guess porn movies is not something you do all your life and while you're at it you might as well escort to make most of it. It's all about making the most of the situation - providing supply where there's a demand.
The money is better than movies or dancing. I remember AirForce Amy saying that doing movies was a hobby for her because she made way more working at the Bunny Ranch.
I think prostitution should be legalized, but even if that happens, we'll still see illegal prostitution, because it will be cheaper (no taxes), and because some creeps will demand bareback, which I don't think they allow in Nevada brothels.
Escorts are probably the most vulnerable people in our society, and I definitely feel sorry for any person that has to get in cars, with strangers, multiple times a day.
There are just too many whackos out there.
This is another problem, with no easy answers.
As to your question, I've always assumed that once job offers dry up, in the biz, that escorting is usually the next logical step.
Air Force Amy makes a ton of money at the Bunny Ranch because she is a better saleswoman than anyone else there. The ranch has girls who are younger prettier and thinner than Amy, but she can convince a guy that no one can give him hotter sex than she. Her sales pitch doesnt work on film
Escort dont get into cars with strange men - street prostitutes do. Porn stars who work as prostitutes almost always work as escorts - i know of no exception to this observation.
even a cursory review of this site and any website such as big doggie clearly shows that the link between escorting and porn is far more complex than the "job offers dry up" Your observation may have applied 15 years ago, but not anymore
Awwww... shucks. You know, I still recommend that video as one of my best/favorites. Who knows, maybe you can shoot me again. Make me an offer - I should be in LA in a few weeks.
So anyway, back to the topic - porn stars, why do they escort?
Because, they can and they want to.
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Posted - Nov 5 2005 : 5:58PM
Indeed Von Swine...I recall reading an excerpt from one young lady's online diary where she joined an escort agency, and was very "open" about her sexuality. Mind you, she's not a porn star.
The gent who "rented" her time took her out to dinner, then subsequently back to his hotel room...where he & 3 friends (who appeared afterwards) gang-rapped her. They didn't get abusive (to the point of bruises), but forced anal on her. They threw an extravagant amount of $$ at her, walked out & were never to be seen from again. I don't know if she pressed charges, but she did relay the event back to the escort agency, which she promptly pulled out of.
I'm sure this happens far too often in that level of "fucking around". It's a shame, makes me wish I was a bodyguard, lol.
Eric
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Haze Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 2 2007 : 1:20AM
I read Trina Michaels was/is escorting anyone know if there's truth to that?
I realize I'm posting to a 3-year old thread, but this is a fascinating topic to me. Sorry if I uncorked the genie again....for all I know, opinions stated may have changed since then.
Kimi Lixx stated:
Kimi, I enjoy your posts. You speak frankly and clearly and with the voice of experience to back things up.
But although I'm quite familiar with the legal ramifications that porn isn't "prostitution," aren't we really starting to cross this line since the introduction of one-man (or woman in a few cases) POV web porn?
There are several website producers who pay the girls, shoot the film themselves and they are the male actor. The guys have VERY shoddy production and distribution systems, mainly just their own websites, and they freely claim that much of their video never even gets published. I find it laughable to consider this "porn" at all. It's a guy who is paying women/girls who HAPPEN to be "porn stars" to have sex with them so they can film it. And the video just happens to be sold later...or not.
I've heard the old "one person pays the girl, a different person fucks her, so it's not prostitution," but this is purely getting into the realm of cheesy semantics.
All this said, I would think the reason SOME porn stars don't get into escorting is that prefer to stay on the "easily defensible" side of having sex for $$ to do a porn shoot versus having sex for $$ just to please the client. If you get on the wrong side of that line, you could face criminal charges.
And speaking of Dallas....Harry Hines Blvd? OMFG. That's home of the 4-foot tall, no teeth 65 year old hooker in a wheelchair. How in the hell does that even fit into the porn escort discussion?
Kimi again:
Just as you may not like porn stars to be stereotyped, you really should take a reality check before stereotyping jobs available to 18 year old women. My wife was interning for a law firm at that time as a paralegal while working her way thru law school. My sister was in the military at 18 and is now a Lt. Col in the AF. My daughter will not be in a cube farm at 18. Your life=your decisions. It's all relative. Some people choose a fast money/short career path and do porn. Some choose more "traditional" careers and do just as well if not MUCH better than a porn star ever would. Very few porn stars make it a long career, although I am quite impressed by those who make it both a long and lucrative career. But don't degrade your own choices by making it sound like the alternatives are "worse." Some are far, far better. Some aren't. "Wasting their youth," is a euphemism I could just as easily apply to the majority of porn starlets out there as anything else. Again, it's relative.
Edited by - lubenluv on 4/2/2007 9:55:18 AM
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 2 2007 : 10:01AM
LubeNLuv writes:So What? There are lot of people out there, myself included, who enjoy POV porn (provided it is well done). These guys are filling a niche. It doesn't get any rawer than that -- just a dick and a porn girl from your POV.
If it gets published on their website and has the proper docs in order -- why do you question its legitimacy? If the "guy" can at least get it up and cum, despite also filming it -- why do you think it is not "porn"?
Also, a good bit of this material eventually reaches DVD.
I am very passionate about this POV issue beacause I hope to one day make POV porn.
Please read my post in the total context. My question was really in relation to how I often hear that porn isn't prostitution as two people are paid by a third part to "perform" sex acts on one another for the purpose of making a video production. Web-based POV porn where the talent, director and distributor are all the same person seems to bend this paradigm and makes it very difficult to distinguish from outright prostitution. It gets into the realm of semantics for me, but then again, US legal precedent is mostly about semantics.
POV porn is great, and I really don't have a problem with organized prostitution either. I'm also a proponent of legalizing certain recreational drugs. I'm just commenting on how the line has been blurred signficantly between prostitution, escort services and porn. And, unfortunately, I'm just waiting for another landmark legal case to be brought against the porn industry that sets us back 20 years.
Sounds like you answered your own question. Maybe that isn't porn. If you can make a distinction between what is and isn't porn, then I'm pretty sure you can figure out what I was referring to as porn in my post.That is certainly true. Plenty of performers don't want to escort because they don't ever want to risk being arrested. Plenty don't dance for the same reason. *I* don't dance in bars for that reason (as well as others, but that's a biggie).Absolutely, I shouldn't. However, one can generalize that most 18 year old women don't have a significant set of job skills. Also, one of the things I was attempting to point out, poorly worded as it was, is that even if you have other career goals and opportunities, performing in the sex industry is (mostly) only open to young, and young appearing, women. If you want that glory, you have to do it when you look young. You may set aside your other career options for later, when your appearance is less important.
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Haze Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 2 2007 : 11:03AM
Why do people always try to justify escorting as being an actual job? Its an easy way to make cash but an actual job? I don't think so.
If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06
Posted - Apr 2 2007 : 4:45PM
I know someone who does this. I won't use her name because I have not asked her if I could. But she tells me that most of the guys she meets for the most part only want to "hang out" with her. She rarely has to do much physical, and the money's in cash and she tends to see the same people over and over again. It's safe, it pays well, and the work's not too hard. Beats making burgers.
What's your definition of a "job"? To me it's providing a service to a person or company that they are willing to pay you to perform.
The guy who mows my lawn has a job. The guys who pick up my garbage have a job. The people who perform in the movies that I watch have jobs and people who provide companionship and sex to others in exchange for pay also have jobs.
The question I have is why do so many pornstars who do escort try and deny it....And why do so many pornstars react like it's such a horrible thing to do but can justify doing porn and sometimes huge gangbangs with non-porn guys?
My only exposure to this is when pornstars appear on Howard Stern and he asks them if they escort on the side or take sex for money. 90% of the girls act like it's a horrible thing they'd never even consider even though lots of them who claim they never do it actually do.
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Posted - Apr 3 2007 : 3:32AM
I'm curious what percentage of women have tried some form of prostitution at some point in their lives. There must be some studies out there that address this.
In response to the tax situation, I can tell you that any girl who is escorting and not paying taxes is insane! I file quarterly estimated tax payments and pay the self-employment tax (Social Security) It's not difficult at all. He's a news flash for you who don't know...the IRS could give a shit less how you make your money as long as you pay your taxes! I've done it for years and it's a lot better than worrying about going to jail. This is the difference between a high end escort and a street girl. As far as porn stars doing escorting goes, most of the entries on the other threads from guys who have paid the exorbitant rates that these girls charge have, for the most part, said the same thing. The performances have been lackluster at best. These girls are used to acting and it appears that they are not able to do it with out a director! Those of us in the other end of the sex provider business however depend upon providing an enjoyable experience. The short of it is, porn stars should keep doing what they do well and stay out of the escort business.
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magnyc Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 3 2008 : 8:30PM
Brand new to the world of escorting, and such a beautiful addition... Cassandra Calogera http://www.eros-ny.com/files/ny-gge1-cassandra1.htm
Taken from another thread: ________________________________________ I mean Teri Weigel; she has always been so open about being a hooker, has been a escort/ hooker for the last ten years: 10 years X 12 months a year X 15 guys/gals a month X 2,000.00 an hour = 3.6 million dollars!!!! Even if you look at only one year from the example above, that's 360,000.00 a year; that's not even counting web sites, feature dancing, etc, income. No wonder Teri doesn't have to make movies anymore! If your an accountant these are some clients to have. I'm just surprised the IRS or Federal LE never goes after any of them. Look at all the tax money they could collect, you know they don't report it all. ________________________________________ Just think how much money Teri Weigel has made in the last ten years. Then add in the feature dancing, Porn movies, it's gotta be over 5 million in 10 years with alot time off from work. Someone making 80,000.00 a year for 30 years will make 2.4 million before taxes; and that's in 30 years. I think I would become a hooker like Teri Weigel. I gotta believe the downside is, as you get older can you still command the 2,000.00 an hour wage. Teri is 46 today, can she continue to demand that wage. If she hasn't invested the money well; it may be hard to continue that kind of lifestyle.
I know from seeing Teri at clubs, that she loves it. She always says she whore; usually says "I'm whore all the way to the bank!" She never was really into the sex, she just loves money. I wonder if she thinks of only money when she gives head or dose she think of something else. I gotta believe her days are numbered at her high rate of $2,000.00 and hour. Carmella Bing would be a great hooker, she has that hooker quality and look. Edited by - XXXFromTexas on 4/4/2008 11:17:05 PM
I personally wished Pornstars didn't escort. It makes it hard to watch your favorite Pornstar after you find out they escort. I mean if you can afford an escort Pornstar then watching them would be great because you know you could have them any time you like. If your on the middle to lower class side of the economic scale it sucks, because you will never be able to have that experience. We know the richer are getting richer and everybody else is suffering more and more. The top 1% of people [the rich and they get to make all the rules we have to live by] make more money then the next 90% of people all together. Bottom line having to shell out $5,000.00 to $2,000.00 an hour for someone like Teri Weigel is lot more then I could afford. So the rich get to play and working stiffs have to work. I didn't realize Teri Weigel was purely all about money and not into sex. I have heard this stated in various places, and even here on ADT. Edited by - twtwtw62 on 4/6/2008 1:02:46 PM
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Ordell Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 6 2008 : 1:44PM
Considering how girls are treated in the movies, I'd say they probably get treated a whole lot better by customers. It's kinda funny to watch the dynamic between providers and customers on Troothsayerz. If there was no money being traded hands, you'd think this was a collection of fuck buddies.
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Posted - Apr 7 2008 : 5:37PM
XXXFromTexas stated: ___________________ I know from seeing Teri at clubs, that she loves it. She always says she whore; usually says "I'm whore all the way to the bank!" She never was really into the sex, she just loves money. I wonder if she thinks of only money when she gives head or dose she think of something else. I gotta believe her days are numbered at her high rate of $2,000.00 and hour. ___________________ I saw this a few days ago. I guess she really is only after the $$$$$; I wonder if she provides out when she is fishing for the biggest catch out at sea. Now this is the way to advertise the goods - Talk about an ad for Escorting! - everything you need to know about the product, spec's and video to boot!!!!
You can approach this differently. For thousands of years only the rich guys were able to have fun with the hottest women. Since the invention of film/video everybody can join the fun for a few bucks.
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magnyc Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 7 2008 : 9:28PM
Poor Cassandra... hey guys, actually the trip the NYC was a nightmare... i chose to go with an escort agency who directly after i got off my plane sent me to an outcall in jamacia, NY....which was a complete ghetto, something im not use to. Before i could even introduce myself to the man he pulled his cock out and tried to shove it in my mouth. I politely told him that i needed to receive the donation before any sexual activity would occur... now....i like sex and all, but when it comes to strangers i thought i deserved a little bit more respect then that...things only got worse, i ended up being held at gunpoint that night and i ended up fucking the guy for free just to be sent home safely since he was threatening my life. right when i got back to my hotel i bought a ticket right home...it was awful. SCARY! im not scared off from escorting however..the agent was just a money hungry asshole that allows anyone to book his girls. so im going to NJ now with a different agency for a week. :) i still plan to take a good month or two out of the industry and focus on escorting here in LA and trips to other places as well. just thought i'd update!
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MikeSouth Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 11:19AM
Kinda chilling....Tell that to Haley Paige
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Ordell Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 8 2008 : 11:29AM
This thread has gone totally downhill into condescension and insults. Time for the mods to take it out and shoot it.
