It's a shame that when IR friendly stars from Europe come to the US, they stop doing IR. Delta White, Kerry Louise, Aletta Ocean and numerous other girls from Europe, have been very IR friendly, in past while shooting in Europe; But as soon as they come to the states, they don't do it anymore. Edited by - teganlovessara on Jan 24 2010 Edited by - teganlovessara on Jan 24 2010
Yeah I get it. Just sucks, if your a fan of IR. I become a fan of alot of these girls from watching their stuff shot in europe; And would hope that they would continue do some of the same things, when they make the trip abroad, that they do in the native country/europe etc. If anything, i think it really just makes you see that the decision, to do or not do IR, is mostly a money/fame issue and has little to do racism. Edited by - teganlovessara on 1/24/2010 8:35:27 PM
Aletta's done a fair amount of IR since she's filmed for US companies
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TeganLovesSara Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 24 2010 : 8:39PM
I haven't seen any IR for a US company she's done. ? Also, I think alot her new european IR that has been coming out is old footage that's just now getting released.
Aletta Ocean has actually done MORE IR since coming to the States... Bang Bros' Monsters of Cock, Vince Vouyer Unleashed's [ invalid url ], Elegant Angel's Oil and Ass, Jules Jordan Video's [ invalid url ]... So that's Shane Diesel, Sean Michaels, Justin Long, L.T. and Rico Strong that's she's worked with thus far...for starters... Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/24/2010 8:54:15 PM
I still think most of this has more to do with who is offering the jobs, rather than the girls who are accepting the jobs. Maybe those who shoot IR films just didn't book these girls out of random chance.
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Posted - Jan 24 2010 : 9:21PM
I think most porn fans already know that's the case. But it still boils down to racism on the part of the industry for making that the case. There's no logical reason for American porn to keep embracing the false notion that IR= less money/fame. Also, I think the answer to your question has to do with casting. In Europe, girls are more likely to work with black male talent because, from my understanding, there is little to no consideration given to race in the casting of performers, which means that it is not uncommon for a Euro girl to be cast to perform with a black male perfomer. In contrast, race plays a huge factor in casting for American porn. American porn studios are very careful not to cast WF/BM pairings unless it is specifically for an IR scene. So, unless a WF performer is shooting an IR scene, she seems to have a higher chance of being randomly paired with a BM in Europe than she does in the U.S. This is also really ironic considering that there are fewer BM performers in Europe than in the U.S. But somehow, like you said, the likelihhod changes once they come to the U.S. due to industry attitudes.
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Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 7:59AM
Just out of interest are there any other European girls you were thinking of? As has been pointed out Aletta has done interracial scenes in the US. Also to be fair to Delta and Kerry they have done very few scenes stateside.
I agree that there would be no interracial or dodging discussion if most of the girls who don't do IR blamed it on money or their stock going down. But it just happens that in interviews, most of these girls go out of their way to make comments that black fans wouldn't find very flattering. If I were a pornstar I would either avoid interracial questions or give the "holding out for more money" excuse. There is a good number of girls who don't do IR but their names never come up in interracial discussions because they never said anything to alienate black fans. Alexis Texas,Jessica Drake, Rachel Starr, Rachel Roxx, Brooke Haven, Nina Mercedes...and others fit in that category. The only names that are mentioned in negative ways in interracial discussions are Vicky Vette, Felix Vicious, Hannah West,Barbara Dare, Missy Stone, Kelsey Michaels and a few others. Edited by - DeadManWalking on 1/25/2010 9:15:39 AM
You've got to be kidding -- fans of IR have never said anything negative about Alexis Texas? Are we talking about the same Alexis Texas? You must frequent some places that I don't because I've NEVER seen someone so hated by the pro-IR community. I figure it's only a matter of time (if it hasn't happened already) that their vitriolic tirades are transferred over to Kristina Rose. I can understand there being no ill will towards Rachel Starr, however. While she has yet to do IR on-camera, I don't think she has a problem doing it in her personal life... [Link]
Some of the British performers, mostly the ones that have worked for Killergram posted on here saying "how Americans have a big problem with it." Funny how the ones that said this, are with LA Direct. So, I think it has to do with the agency. (And yes, Aletta Ocean is NOT with LA Direct.)
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Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 12:50PM
yeah Alexis Texas is more hated by the black community, then George Wallace. lol
Carmel Moore, Tarra White and Chloe Conrad also come to mind. Interestingly enough, Carmel Moore, Tarra White, Chloe Conrad, Kerry Louise and Delta White are repped by LA Direct when they are in the US. Winning internet debates is my favourite pastime
I may be wrong but I think I've read somewhere Rachel Starr saying that she did some IR scenes when she first started in porn, around 2000. But I did a quick google search and I couldn't find anything... Also some guy heard her and Priya Rai on a radio show (Howard Stern, I think) and they both said that they had a kid whose father is black, but whether they were joking or not is not clear. Winning internet debates is my favourite pastime
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Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 6:50PM
You might be right about this. Most of the time, I really don't care which girls do IR and which ones don't. After all, who can keep track? There are plenty of girls who I mistakenly thought never did IR, only to find out that they actually have done it, or vice-versa. So, I just gave up on trying to keep up with who does and doesn't do it. Too much to remember. The only time it now stands out for me is when the girl makes it blatantly clear that it's an issue for her, like you said. Usually, I give the girls the benefit of the doubt as to why they have never done IR. Maybe it's not because they have a racial problem or a fear of black men. It could be any number of other reasons. Maybe they're not opposed to it, but just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. Maybe they've just never been asked or cast to work with a black man. Maybe they're not opposed to it themselves, but they're repped by an agency that's holding them back from doing. After all, many porn girls have openly said that the fact that they never did IR was an agent/management decision, and not their own. So the reasons for it can vary. For example, I was watching one porn scene where the director was interviewing the girl, and asking her if she had ever done IR (I hate it when they have to ask that question by the way. What does it matter?) Anyway, the girl had never done IR. But when she answered the question, she said that she hadn't done it yet. This implied that she was open to doing it eventually. However, she was one of those girls who didn't stay in the business long, and was gone after shooting only a few vanilla scenes. So, I try not to automatically jump to conclusions and assume it's because the girl has personal racial issues. However, when a girl comes out and says, "I don't do IR because I don't like black guys," then that is a blatant example of bigotry. Of course, they're entitled to feel the way they do. I wouldn't come here to attack a porn chick for that, and I have never done so. I feel no need to bully them, call them names, harass them, etc. If that's the way they feel, then so be it. I couldn't care less. But at the same time, I just immediately lose any desire to ever watch anymore of her scenes again.
how many threads need to cover this?! lol euro girls bang black guys "at home" because its not taboo. its not made out to be a big deal. basically, no one really puts a label on it. once she comes out here to the states, its suddenly "interracial" and everyone swears not to do it or the porn career will be done with. its not just the agents who claim this, other talent have mentioned it, hell, even my driver pointed it out. personally, i dont see what the big fuss is about. cock is cock, as long as its hard, what do i care?
I shot Aletta in a BGG with Sean Michaels and it was a great scene! I love both girls. [ invalid url ] Edited by - christianx on 1/26/2010 9:41:52 AM Edited by - christianx on 1/26/2010 9:43:40 AM
thats irrelevant. LA direct have alot of girls on their books who shoot IR.
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Posted - Jan 26 2010 : 1:40PM
Or the simplest answer is that the US is more backwards when it comes to this than European countries. And it's well known what LA Direct's issue is with such scenes. Edited by - Zaer on 1/26/2010 1:44:46 PM
You are right. And just to make sure, I went to LA Direct models website to do a quick search. It turns out that 22 out of their 112 girls are listed for interracial (according to my calculator, that makes around 20%) so you are right, that's a lot. Just out of curiosity, I did the same quick search on Lisa Ann agency website, Spiegler girls' website and World Modeling website. The proportions of girls available for interracial are: - Lisa Ann: 51 out of 82 (62%) - Spiegler: 14 out of 17 (82%) - World Modeling: 88 out of 151 (58%)
lol @ the fact you used a company with only 17 girls on their books... yeah point proven, its TOTALLY the agents fault- which is exactly why i was rung 2 weeks ago and asked to do an interracial scene here in the US - by my agent! instead of arguing left right and center about girls not doing interracial, why not just get rid of the lame stigma thats involved with the IR label? you know, its only the US that have this hang up, dont blame the models, blame the consumer. www.chloeconradblog.com twitter chloeconradxxx
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