Refer to themselves as "sluts" or "whores" Is it simply a case of doing it for the camera? Thing is, many seem to do it even off camera e.g. the female-owned company Slut Werkz.
Surely this kind of thing just encourages men to also refer to them as sluts and whores? I checked out JM Productions' website and I really didn't like the way the girls were degraded by being called stupid and having no dignity. Instead of having "stars" or "actresses" on the so-called "biographies" they have "whores"
Tbo, I think they should be alot more appreciative because without the girls, their company wouldn't survive. It seems as if well-known directors such as Stagliano, Silvera, Jordan, etc all treat their female employees with the greatest of respect and admiration, in stark contrast to many others.
You only chose to list some well known directors. Some well known directors are the opposite.
Why? Part of it is selling the part. Guys want porn stars that are whole hearted about it. I imagine some want porn stars that are forced into it, but that is another issue. Another is taking control of a word.
Oh, I know, croy. Probably the best example is Max Hardcore (not someone I have time for) However, I didn't know about him until I came to ADT. Stagliano is a name more or less everyone knows (who watches porn)
Thanks, Kami. I can see how in a way it may reduce the impact if the actress says it first but surely on the other hand, you would have companies like JM who constantly reduce females to objects, rather than people.
Not once have I heard John Stagliano or Jules Jordan say "whore" or "slut" to any of their girls in front of the camera. Actually, I just received Ass Worship 8 and just wanted to ask you how you think Jules treats his female employees in general(never seen you in any film before so looking forward to it :) )?
Yeah, no kidding Ryan. Keep in mind, it's never the sluts and whores that are getting sacrificed into volcanos and the like. They are too valuable to their villages.
It's just that there is something inherently negative and unpleasant about the terms "slut" and "whore" (especially when companies like JM use them) There's no need to use those terms, as many directors have shown. I know that they are almost exclusively used when referring to females but Rocco and Nacho can also be called "whores" because they have sex for money.
Are you talking about cultures that live on volcanic islands and hold superstitious beliefs, threesomebody? It's also similar in a time of war. Almost always the women stay behind to look after the kids, to cook, clean, etc. They are obviously too precious for the men to lose and so many men can put them down in peacetime but when things start to go wrong, they are always looking to protect them from harm. Quite ironic, I think.
I know, gia. I'm aware that you were kidding, no need to start getting all defensive :) I just put forward my opinion on the subject, for what it's worth.
Why do you need to insult people? It's not always obvious to see across a computer screen when someone is joking or being serious, especially when no icons are added to their sentence. But you're right, never mind. I don't have any desire to communicate with uncivilised people like you. Learn some manners, it will do you good.
Edited by - Ryan81 on 5/10/2006 12:33:02 PM
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gapeape Deactivated User
usa 106 Posts 2/06
Posted - May 10 2006 : 10:15PM
sort of a silly topic. i mean, people having sex with strangers for money? what would you call them? sluts? whores?
what is the definition of the word slut or whore?
and, by the way, i don't see anything wrong with being a slut or whore as long as it's consensual sex and no one is getting hurt or being forced to do anyhting they don't want.
also, guys are just as much sluts or whores as girls are.
in short, i don't feel the word slut or whore is a negative term. i like girls who are sluts. i enjoy watching them have sex. it's all good!
It all depends how it is used. As long as people use the word to put down girls and not to positively describe a girl's widespread sexual energy, the word "slut" will always sound offensive. We need to use the word in a positive way and stop using it to put down the very same women we yearn for. If guys can be proud "players" then girls can be proud "sluts."
But one problem is admittance. Many girls who are sluts won't admit to it probably because they are embarrassed. But god knows men love it! We love it when girls are sluts. That is what we want and that is what we love! Girls should display their SLUT badges proudly because that is what we look for when we want to have fun!
Watch Kelly Wells and Brandon Iron in 50 to 1 #3 for a possible answer. She says that she needs to be slapped around because it teaches her about self-worth. Heard it before, but to actually hear Kelly say it caught me off-guard - 1st hand wisdom rather than passed on pearls of wisdom is always more persuasive.
And one could probably say the same thing about slapping a self-deprecating label on oneself. We've all done it before - calling ourselves bad names and then rising above those names, stronger from the climb out of the muck. It works.
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pantingdog Deactivated User
NY 27 Posts 5/06
Posted - May 10 2006 : 11:43PM
So what is it,kami? Visa or Mastercard?(read the linked article)
Though I do not know any of the pornstars in person, judging from reading their posts and interviews, I say they are more likely to be offended by things like "hypocrite""double dealer""back stabber" etc. than "whore" or "slut".
I think most porn "whores" are generally decent people but some young ones are really confused.(It just cracked me up, Missy Monroe and her porn-roommate fighting over a man....)
These women are accorded little respect, so you think..... It seems more like a "whore with a heart of gold" fantasy prevalent in hollywood("..they will be so appreciative of my concern over their dignity.."). I am not saying they are all jaded cold hearted bitches but I think many of them may actually laugh at your sensitivity.
I don't mind others calling me perverts, bastards etc. Don't take things too seriously. I think that is the attitude of most porn people as well.
Some porn actresses do use "sluts" and "whores" to describe themselves. Others don't.
The idea behind this self-degradation is suppose to be to "take the sting out" of others, in the non-porn world, using these terms against female porn performers. [Hey, why don't the guys publicly call themselves "degenerate losers"?]
Anyway, as those of you who stayed awake during Sociology 101, or who may have lived in a black neighborhood can attest, back-in-the-day many Blacks used the "N" word in greeting each--justifying their behavior by saying it renders the racist insult meaningless. Today, with the exception of gangsta rappers, using the "N" word isn't viewed as acceptable in the Black Community.
As more confident women enter porn (remember most porn girls are 18 or 19 years old), calling herself a "slut" and "whore" will, also, become less prevalent. The girls' inner confidence will be enough to "protect" her from outside insults--and "beating the Insulter to the punch" won't be necessary.
Sorry...I not only stayed awake in class, but now I teach it.
thats funny you bring this up.....i am very uncomfortable calling the girls in the business both of those words. at a vivid shoot about a week ago, we had a dinner party and this topic was brought up. it was hard to talk about for me, i actually turned a little red. even if those words are true, i would much rather call the girls i work with, performers, businesswomen, models, there are tons of words i would rather use. but that's just me.
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jamesnadt Deactivated User
cambridge, ma 152 Posts 2/06
Posted - May 11 2006 : 12:40AM
that's called decency. congrats on being afflicted with it, it's admirable.
I don't like it when porn stars are referred to as sluts or whores. I figured that it's supposed to be somewhat humorous when it's on a boxcover, but I think it those terms are degrading, which porn itself is not.
I think those terms have an ugly connotation, especially to Americans. Prostitution and promiscuity have been condemned since day one, and they still are. Women that participate in either activity are vilified, and these terms have traditionally been used in a vicious way. This could change within a couple generations, though.
The sexually-active teen girl of today is very different from when I was going to school. Back then, a girl was considered a slut (which was bad) if she slept with lots of guys, or if she was indescriminate about who she had sex with. We'd progressed to the point where a girl wasn't considered slutty just because she was sexually active. It was okay if she did it with her boyfriend, particularly if they were known as a couple by everybody. It was the girl that simply wanted to fuck, and didn't care who, that was the slut.
Today, sexually active girls (as young as 12) are proud of the number of blowjobs they've given, or the number boys and/or girls they've played with. In fact, the virgins and the monogomous girls are ridiculed as "babies" by the slutty girls. "Slut" is now a label a girl strives to earn. "Whore" still seems to be reserved for only negative use, though. Many of today's teens are striving to outdo each other in both quantity and variety.
I scored in the 11th percentile for sluttiness, and in the 98th percentile for ethics compared to other straight women my age. Here's what the test said about me:
I think that's pretty close to the truth.
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Eric381 Deactivated User
What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05
Posted - May 28 2006 : 6:11PM
That...is...beautiful!!
Mind you, it softens the blow that such vocabulary may render on the person whom it's being spoken, too (which has been said). What's nice is that when called a "slut" or "whore", those who have beaten the punch can kindly turn and say "thank you,...I make more $$ than you, too".
However, I think that forcced use of the word in scenes is equal to interracial scenes where the female talent is forced to use the 'N' word. It all comes down to comfortable level & personal acceptance of such vocabulary.
Christian, your professionalism is duely noted. Kudos!