Yeah I must admit this stumps me as well. Surely interracial could refer to anything: Black female and an asian male, asian female and black male, asian male and white female etc. But no one is up in arms about that. Interracial activity between black men and white women, and i hope my american counterparts don't take offence to this it's not intended to be offensive, but it seems to be slightly more disputable in the US than in other areas. I'll never forget watching I think it was part of an Oprah episode where this one guy was going on at his sister because she had married a black man and parented a child with him, and this guy wouldn't even agree to see his own niece. He had black friends and everything but the idea of mixed race relations really got to him for some reason. In the UK it's fairly, if not very common to see mixed race couples, I'm sure it is in the US to. Maybe because civil rights is only more recently gotten over? I don't know I'm just throwing in suggestions about why it's such a hot topic.
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Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 5:19PM
Keep in mind there are a lot of women with daddy issues that have entered the porn business.
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Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 6:36PM
I won the Science Fair in 5th grade.
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BrazilianDude Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 6:40PM
don't think so, girls who like older men like handsome older men and you don't have to be a woman to know ron jeremy is not handsome i highly doubt girls are attracted to him, you'd have to be incredibly naive to believe that, he's so ugly he's one of the few white performers who get dodged, some girls will not work with him.
Edited by - braziliandude on 12/20/2009 6:51:19 PM
You are talking to a man who actually did win several state-wide math and science fairs at high school levels. Based on my GRE and SAT scores I can join the majority of high IQ societies and I probably can join all of them except maybe Mega Society(IQs above 180 or so) if I take further tests. The most typical response is to accuse me of lying about my scores ... Actually I like it better that way than when people don't even understand what those scores mean.
The issue is more complex than the way it is argued here. It is possible that a white female is attracted to a black male but at the same time genuinely reluctant to mate with him. For instance it is a hot day. Taking off all your clothes will relieve you of some of the physical discomfort... even in public. But most won't get naked. Is it an irrational fear of getting naked in public? I don't think so. Certainly most girls will find the majority of black performers more attractive than Ron Jeremy but many of them are also bound by the value system they grew up with. You cannot legislate morality and I am not even sure whether it is immoral to have certain slant in favor of your own ethnicity. And besides, I don't think black people really want to push this issue any further since they are as much perpetrators of racial discrimination as they are victims.
Well, let's see. I was a film critic for AVN throughout the 1990s, a gig I got shortly after I interviewed Nina for a Jewish magazine in 1987, published in 1989. I have written about Nina, Amber Lynn and others in that connection. Nina and I became great friends and she was the Best Woman at my wedding in 1996. On her website and on the Pro-Porn Activist Blog, I publish an update every year of her videography, which is the largest of any porn actress. If you had used Google instead of acting like a jerk ["LOL", indeed], you might have known that. Anthony Kennerson has reprinted my interview with Nina (from 1987) on his website.Bullshit. There were no headlines in AVN about Amber doing IR. It was no big deal. Ginger Lynn did IR with Tony El-Lay early in her "first" career. In fact, when a starlet said she did NOT do IR in the 1980s, that's what made headlines - Barbara Dare, Hypatia Lee, Stacy Donovan. They were the ones who stood out.Well, guess who's LOLing now?
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Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 8:47PM
It is amazing, and somewhat humorous that after 108 posts, with the exception of possibly Ramsey, no one has managed to answer the central question of this thread, which is Why do you care about IR?
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Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 8:54PM
How did you do on the Ability to Understand that I'm Being Mocked For Acting Like a Douche By Bragging About My College Board Scores from 15 Years Ago on an Anonymous Internet Forum Dedicated to Pornography Test? Or didn't you take that one?
I think you're the only one who finds your ignorance so funny. For someone who claims to have won science fairs you fail to use basic scientific method. Disprove by using factual information. Oh and I edited my post right after you edited yours. So we both edited our posts within a minute and yet somehow I'm hilarious. Did it occur to you that I read it for clarity and then noticed the edited version? Some of us like to make sure our posts make sense. I think it's funny that a guy who predominates this thread is making fun of anyone else for their posts. In any case, just use facts from this point on. As of right now you've yet to do anything except straw man and ad hominem attacks. Those are the skills of a third grader. And as to the length of my posts, I'm a fast typist. Probably takes me less time to write them than yours do. If you don't like a lot of words, you know you don't have to read them, right?
Mocked by whom? deleted, the pinnacle of whose academic achievement was winning a science fair in 5th grade?I already conceded that you write a lot. Without saying much, that is.This just shows that you know nothing about the industry. Back in those days(and perhaps even now) IR was not even a category in AVN's movie reviews. They rarely talked about the subject.And you don't even know what she said afterward about the scene and IR in general. Why do you think she never did another until she came back as an MILF?It shouldn't be you but sadly it is you. It just shows how vastly out of sync with reality you are. That you know a few porn stars, even personally, or that you wrote about them does not make you an insider. Edited by - wargamer on 12/20/2009 10:30:32 PM Edited by - savoy on 12/22/2009 9:25:29 AM
no way! So did I. I did an experiment on toilet paper and which brand would degrade in water better. I've still got the trophy in my bedroom about 5 feet from me right now. I should take a pic with it. haha. What was your experiment on?
And since AVN was then as it is now the flagship publication of the industry, how do you know better than Paul Fishbein? Because you're a math whiz? The reason it was rarely discussed was that it was assumed that white performers would not object to working with non-white performers. That's why the IR refusals of the stars I earlier cited made news, but Amber Lynn or Nina working with non-whites did not. When a plane crashes, it makes news. When it performs without incident, no press coverage. Got that?The fact is, she did do it early in her career and her career continued for several years after, which disproves your notion, or anyone else's notion, that doing IR at the start of a starlet's career is fatal to said career. In fact, it didn't stop her from becoming the first Vivid girl.
And, do tell us what you think she said about that somehow contradicts my point? She never worked with Nina Hartley until last year, despite the fact they both started their careers in the 1980's, so does that mean that she held off on working with her because she was 'warned' that Nina would somehow hurt her career?? BTW, Ginger did a three-way with Juli Ashton and Sean Michaels years before she became a MILF. It was VCA's "Torn" (1999). And she followed that up the very next year with Sean again in New Wave Hookers 6. But don't let pesky little things like the facts get in your way. You're so awesome as a math whiz!And you are an insider how, exactly? BTW, if you're on the staff of AVN, yes, that does make you an insider. Not a power broker, but an insider, certainly. Edited by - Sheldon on 12/20/2009 11:57:53 PM
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Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 12:40AM
Every post in this thread, except one, has been off topic, largely made by people, who probably still laugh at fart jokes. Edited by - Clam Digger on 12/21/2009 12:47:00 AM
I don't really care what connection he has with AVN. It probably works the same way John Bobbitt was allowed in the circle after his penis got cut off. Every community needs a village idiot or two and he has an unsurpassed ability to make others happy The adult movie industry has been very race-conscious. It was less so in the 70's when the industry began as a sort of social rebellion but things certainly tightened up during the 80's. I am not going to argue with a deleted who thinks that it was just an issue of random pairing that Shauna Grant never did Black dudes(not even billy dee) while Ingrid Elliot(changed her name to Rachel something) did it in almost every other scene.
I am sure he does not know what Taija Rae and a whole bunch of others said on this issue. What an insider, LOL. Edited by - savoy on 12/22/2009 9:26:41 AM
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Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 2:27AM
You always seem to take Ron Jeremy's references very personal and very offended too. Do you look like Ron Jeremy by any chance? Or do you feel deep down that he is better looking than you?
To be more precise, you don't care about the facts at all. How much more obvious could it be that you're just a troll with a match?Yes, but the way you tried to prove your point did a disservice to the cause you profess.Shauna Grant was only in the business for one year and committed suicide before a clear pattern could emerge about her choice of male partners. In the early 80s, there were very few black male performers. As for Ingrid Elliot, who was better known first as Penny Morgan and then as Rachel Ryan, she emerged several years after Shauna Grant, at the same time as new black talent like FM Bradley and Ray Victory and Darryl Edwards and Jack Baker. You call me names and you call yourself a math tournament champion. You have been proven wrong on the facts repeatedly on this thread. Have you no self-respect that you would continue to expose yourself in this manner? Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
No. Perhaps true only in twisted minds ridden with all kinds of childish conspiracy theories. For most people porn performers are part of the industry, but he seems to think that only the bigoted porn producers steered away from IR, all those super-willing, duper - IR friendly white starlets, clamoring for black cocks they were denied by these evil producers who had nothing better to do. Or even worse, perhaps he thinks it was all an accident of random pairing.First of all, even then, there were quite a few male black performers such as Jonathon Younger and how does he explain she never did a scene with the super-popular billy dee?The list is long, angel, heather wayne, christal breeze ... all from the same period. Just coincidence? However this does not contradict my earlier statement because the above ones had only moderately long careers. Those who go beyond that eventually do IR almost always toward the end of their career.(Most of them except a few) He professes to be an "insider" and discredits all those first-hand accounts by the performers themselves. Why? because he is a staff member of AVN(or so he claims). If he does not see the pattern - there are those "who do" and those "who don't" -, I have nothing more to say. And I have nothing more to say to someone who thinks it was merely an accident that Ginger Lynn had been absent from IR scenes after her first one until her MILF comeback(which runs contrary to common sense and her own interview). And by the way a 36 year old(almost 37) is clearly considered to be an MILF in this industry.
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Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 8:02PM
I certainly haven't found that to be true, but most of the IR and black-on-black I've watched was shot by black directors, which I think may be significant. I remember in the 90s most of the black-on-black and IR I saw was of a very poor standard, but then most porn back then was as well. I believe things improved once the directors were themselves black men and in rare cases, women.
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I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06
Posted - Dec 21 2009 : 8:02PM
What part of committing suicide after one year in the business did you not understand? This was the early 1980s before the VCR became standard household equipment and porn films were actually films. You know, those works of art with plots, costumes, props, actual sets that consisted of more than some guys sofa in his apartment. A highly in demand porn star did maybe 40 or 50 movies a year, now a highly in demand porn star is in about 250 of the one day gonzo wonders that porn companies are churning out each year. Keep in mind there were probably less than ten black males in the whole business in that time frame and it would be easy for their paths to never cross.
First of all, why are you addressing me in the third person? And what's this about conspiracy theories - what part of your asshole are you pulling that out of? You're the one who assumes a conspiracy because, according to you, there is no such thing as random pairing. If a white female perfomer just so happened to have only worked with white men - the overwhelmiong majority of woodsmen - I will give her the benefit of the doubt unless she either addresses the issue directly or dodges requests to do same.Wrong again. "Quite a few" black performers does not equal one "Jonathan Younger", which speaks volumes about your math credentials. Secondly, Billy Dee did not start off super-popular - he did not hit big time until the mid-1980s, when he was linked to Nikki Knights."Or so he claims"? Look it up - Sheldon Ranz, AVN film critic. I previously asked you to post some of those first-hand quotes, and you still have not done so.She was not considered a MILF in 1999 because that concept did not yet exist in porn. And Ginger was absent from scenes with anybody from the late 80's to 1999 because she was not performing then. You have not been saying anything to "me" because you cowardly address me in the third person. If you have "nothing to say", then just leave.
Attraction is not about physical. Ron Jeremy is something of an icon. Lots of porn stars are ugly. If a porn star finds certain black men more attractive, why would she not fuck him - "Actually I find him attractive but I won't fuck him cos I'm a racist" ?
deleted commentThis guy just won't stop. What he needs to know is Bayesian prior and posterior distribution. He requires absolute proofs for anything he dislikes to believe and when the other gets tired or bored he declares victory. He is an "insider" much the same way John Bobbitt is a porn star. John needed to have his penis cut but Sheldon only needed to be retarded. Edit:typo corrected Edited by - wargamer on 12/21/2009 10:38:32 PM Wargamer, you have consistently ignored forum etiquette in this thread. If you want to argue, take it to e-mail. It will not continue on this board. Edited by - savoy on 12/22/2009 9:33:15 AM
Personally I am loving this little shit-storm. But is was different from the other interracial whine threads. I was trying to get at the root of it, the real feeling underneath. Nobody seemed to be a redneck saying it was wrong to fuck a black man which is another theory as to why they won't...
Well the shit storms aren't really welcome here. If two people wanna go round and round, then take it to email. There's no reason to inundate this otherwise great board with childish name calling and tick for tack responses and word for word dissection of the semantics of someone you don't agree with. This isn't Usenet, this is an industry board with mature adults who want to be here and participate. All of this recent upheaval of trolls is very reminiscent of an unmoderated newsgroup on Usenet where people argue each other to death over bullshit. Just my opinion.
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BrazilianDude Deactivated User
Minha Vaidade me deixou cansado 351 Posts 8/09
Posted - Dec 22 2009 : 5:10AM
some girls are racist that's a given, no surprise there, but i also know that a lot of girls don't do black men because some porn fans don't like interracial, we've had a few british girls on this board who did interracial in england say they don't do interracial in the US because americans have a problem with interracial, they can find a certain black guy attractive but still choose ron jeremy over him because porn fans won't mind them doing ron jeremy, just reality.
Edited by - braziliandude on 12/22/2009 5:17:20 AM
White, latino, asian or other? Given some of your posts in the past, you seemed very offended that women will not do black men. I would expect that from a black guy so don't you think you are picking a battle that isn't yours?
MOD: Here's the warning: If everyone, those involved in the argument and those fanning the flames with their remarks, doesn't get back on topic and stop fighting - the thread will be locked.
Here is my 2 cents on this topic: I think the same standard that applies to black women in porn should be applied to black men. Most white actors (with very few exceptions) have banged or are at least open to banging black chicks. Is it because white men are known to be attracted to black women in real life in big numbers? Of course No. It's just realistic that you don't have to be super attracted to someone to fuck him/her for money. Most of us will fuck people will find average looking or slightly below average for good money. If they are super gross or ugly, that is another story. Edited by - StormyAlektraKroseblkfan on 12/22/2009 10:54:38 AM
It's not a battle, it's taste. I mean it's my taste and my money that decides I want to see CJ Wright but not James Deen for example!
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LLvladk Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 23 2009 : 2:01PM
The funny thing with most of these girls is that they don't even know what the black talent looks like. They just assume all blacks look alike. If a white man is asked if he's willing to bang a black, shouldn't he ask if she looks like Beyonce, Vanessa Williams , Star Jones or Whoopie Goldberg before saying No? I doubt many, no matter their race will find it hard to tell Beyonce and Whoopie apart. Edited by - Llvladk on 12/23/2009 2:02:53 PM
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Posted - Dec 23 2009 : 8:46PM
You just feel free to make up as much stupid bullshit about people you've never met and never will meet as you want, don't you?
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LLvladk Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 23 2009 : 10:41PM
I'm not fucking assuming anything.I'm talking based on conversations with many of these girls, so get off my back please .Why do you spend so much time in IR threads anyway when you aren't a fan? Instead of calling others troll, you should acknowledge that you are the real troll because obviously you don't care for IR but you feel the need to comment in every IR thread.Trying to pick fights, right? What else could be your reason? It's because of your kind that I prefer that they lock these types of threads. No need for you to comment back cuz I'm not even gonna bother reading it.
Edited by - Llvladk on 12/23/2009 10:51:35 PM
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Posted - Dec 23 2009 : 11:17PM
Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...
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Zaer Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 24 2009 : 12:42AM
Actually in many cases it's true. These women don't care what the talent looks like, they just make a race based discriminatory decision and that's as far as the process goes.
