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| hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10 |  Posted - Jul 17 2013 : 3:47PMWhy are poorer countries paying the same as richer countries when it comes to on-line smut? For instance nobody expects people in Poland to pay the same for videogames as the people in France so the prices are quite different, they would lose polish sales otherwise, why are pornsites so region-agnostic then? I doubt the cost of the product/supporting a customer is a significant chunk of the subscription price. Couldn't they just check for IP location(can be faked) together with CC home country address(harder to fake) to figure out which pricing scheme would be more appropriate? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on Jul 17 2013  [Link] |
| utopiaa Member 610 Posts 7/11 | Posted - Jul 17 2013 : 4:29PM 2nd is that always when you are exchanging currency you loose some money on that too, so it is probably not so profitable either. Like if you would buy with Polish złoty and pay lets say 10 dollars worth for 30 days membership, would it be enough to cover bandwith, currency exchange and billing costs and still leave a profit.  [Link] |
| hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Jul 17 2013 : 5:09PM However it should be pointed out that those who do have the knowledge and the will to set up proxies or VPNs for cheaper prices are also quite capable of pirating all the porn they want. If these people are paying for their porn they're already doing so out of principle and convenience rather than a lack of alternatives, regional pricing shouldn't change that, however few of these people there may be to begin with. It also should be pointed out that many pirated games are crippled versions of the legit product due to lack of multiplayer/steam access, unlike pirated porn which is essentially the same product as what you'd pay for, or sometimes even better(stream-only pornsites).I can only speculate as to the actual cost per customer, but considering that clipstores sell clips for as low as 2 dollars, how much could currency exchange and billing costs per customer possibly be? You can get a no-caps internet connection for 10-20 bucks, how much bandwidth do you think the average customer is going to eat away in a month? And they can always cap bandwidth for cheaper countries the way they do it for trial accounts. I don't see the cost per customer being that significant, the cost of ignoring all those potential customers on the other hand.. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/17/2013 5:14:16 PM [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 17 2013 : 5:45PM For example: http://www.podrywacze.pl/ [Link] |
| hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Jul 17 2013 : 5:49PM They also have more famous international-geared ones such as www.busty.pl at more than double the price for less than half the content. ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/17/2013 6:08:44 PM [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 6:04AM Well my point is, is it worth chasing customers who only pay 11 bucks or so a month? Is it worth doing all the extra programming necessary to process their payments efficiently? And integrating all that with your affiliate program? Taking into account that affiliate webmasters who can write sales text in Polish are probably going to be getting many, if not most, of the regional discount sales for Poland. And then Poland is just one of dozens of foreign language regions to consider. For example if I was the manager of Twistys, who already offer several special discount membership deals and have a highly developed webmaster affiliate program, I would have to ask myself is it worth chasing such customers? I'll need affiliates to generate these sales and they are still probably going to want their 60-70% revshare and/or the $20 to $30 per sign-up they get on regular sales And these discount members are going to cost the same to service as regular customers - Hell, I could easily end up with loads of customers I lose money on. My short answer to your question is that a lot of US/North American based paysites have probably already looked into this and decided it is not financially viable. Edited by - Geri on 7/18/2013 6:06:51 AM [Link] |
| hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 9:00AM ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show [Link] |
Flash  Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 2:48PM [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 4:16PM Jacco [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 6:36PM If you are seriously interested in this topic from a marketing point of view you should take a look at: http://www.spacash.com/ They are specialists in marketing porn to Non-English speakers. All their adult sites come in at least 5 & up to 7 languages and they have geo-ip detection to display the most suitable language automatically for the region. There is another factor to consider as well. A lot of people like porn to be in their language. Even if they prefer foreign looking girls and/or guys they still like to be able to understand what those performers are saying, believe it or not. Edited by - Geri on 7/18/2013 6:42:31 PM [Link] |
| hoochimama Deactivated User 1437 Posts 5/10 | Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 6:50PM English is the international language, most people speak english, interrs moreso and it should go double for the ones willing to burn disposable income on internet smut.You mean you're unaware that learning english as a foreign language has been mandatory in developed countries for decades? Most of them will have you learn at least two foreign languages before you finish highschool. It's my fourth language at that, and I find the notion that you'd have to translate pornsites in order to sell them to non-anglophone countries to be naive at best(as if pornsites were riddled with literary content, as if on-the-fly browser translation was science fiction).I'm not sure what you mean by this, most US websites charge foreign customers in dollars already, when I see them convert to euros it's only so they can charge far above conversion rates. A website that charges 30 bucks for entry (single month) yet is only getting 20 per month for a 3 month plan(most popular) and is getting less than 10 bucks a month for a year-long sub should be able to cut down the price of entry(either by cutting into profits or offering shorter subscriptions and usage restrictions) for countries where the median disposable income is half or even a third of the american one, otherwise they'll just spend their money elsewhere.I don't read hentai unless it's translated. Yet I don't know any russian who does indeed like the fact that most of his foreign porn is being dubbed -by a drunk burly man who even does the moans of the female characters no less. Some people might see that and conclude it means they do care that much for dubbing/translation, I'd say it has more to do with the influence of translators whose profession is quickly becoming extinct. But this is beside the point, yes translation for non-anglophones can make a site even more attractive, but how does that even matter when you're already pricing yourself out of those markets to begin with? ________________________________________________ Please ID these girls from PlayboyTV's Foursome show Edited by - hoochimama on 7/18/2013 8:27:19 PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 18 2013 : 8:56PM Europeans tend to be the worst ones affected by this for the obvious example given by Jacco because they will get charged the same number but a different currency so 20$ US dollars becomes 20 British Pounds or Euros. I don't know if it's the CC processor, the site's owner or a combination of both but I do know that CCBill is the often the worst one for these currency infractions. [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 19 2013 : 6:06PM Taking for example: http://www.ronharris.com/ If you go to their signup page you should be able to see by selecting select currency: $40.55 (US) for 30 days $44.43 (CAD)for 30 days $46.58 (AUS)for 30 days €32.59 (Euro)for 30 days £28.09 (GB Pounds)for 30 days ¥4.286 (JPY) for 30 days Which all looks fairly reasonable (i.e. equitable), all be it not up to the minute with the latest exchange rate changes. Edited by - Geri on 7/19/2013 6:07:43 PM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 19 2013 : 8:30PM [Link] |
| Geri Member 329 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 20 2013 : 3:54AM Well, really it's surely some of CCBill's customers (i.e. paysite owners) who are the culprits rather than CCBill itself if this is happening? The paysites can set whatever prices they like and CCBill just collects at those prices. Also with regards to affiliates (which I tried to impress upon the OP are a significant factor in all this) it is the paysite owners who set the % rates for the commission payments affiliates receive for their sales. If the paysite wants to pay affiliates 5% per signup or 50% per signup (most payout 50% & a few even pay more) that's their business, not CCBill's. CCBill just collects and distributes the money accordingly making standard deductions for their processing services. Paysites with affiliate programs are supposed to contact their affiliates if they change the payout percentage. The good, well organized, ones do but some don't even contact you if they close a site, sell it, close their affiliate program or change payment processor to one of CCBill's rivals (but still take the traffic you send them). As an affiliate I don't blame CCBill for this when it happens. I blame the paysite owner. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 20 2013 : 9:28AM [Link] |
| LCF All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jul 20 2013 : 10:39AM for USED DVds I have no fetish for them but some titles aren't available anymore , a used copy would solve the problem [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 20 2013 : 9:17PM [Link] |
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