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Dallas
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 2:39AM
I mean a extremely well endowed white pornstar? Seems they are all black this day and age.
croy
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Discovry
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 4:16AM
A prop is a prop.
Cock Choke Me
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 5:13AM
damn that read cold, Croy. men are not a prop to me in porn. maybe if there were no cum shots ever again in porn you'd be ok w that? props dont pop. ;)

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Rumpled Foreskin
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5/05
Posted - May 25 2005 : 11:26AM
I don't know about that. You see black and white men side by side in those Anabolic Gangbang movies and they "measure up" pretty darn well
jamesn
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 11:42AM
i'd assume you'd have better luck on the gay side, seeing that they pay tons more and the men are the focus--there are some pretty obviously "curious" guys on the straight side, but they probably couldn't make the cut for the big bucks and settled into tragic lives of double-anal and viagra to get it up for women. where's arthur when you need him?
 
MisterNoGood
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2/04
Posted - May 25 2005 : 11:56AM
Well, there is Julian, one of the directors over at Pxp. I dont know what he has been up to lately. The other would be Rocco, but he is considering no longer performing on camera.
juha
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 12:28PM
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Asmodeus
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az-mo-day-us
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 12:32PM
The late John Curtis Holmes was a freak of nature. He and his legendary cock burst on the scene at just the right time and he helped shape the porn industry when it was still in its infancy. Unfortunately he flew too close to the Sun and burned out before his time but his influence is still being felt today. I don't think there will ever be another white porn stud as well-endowed as Holmes was, and even if one is found I doubt if he'll have the same enduring charisma.
skronker
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 12:44PM
Well, there's Steve Holmes ... He probably comes the closest.
The deal with JH was that he was not only long but thick.

Annette Haven describe it has having sex with a loofah. So I guess it didn't work for everyone. A lot more blood required to elevate one of those suckers. A wonder he didn't pass out when he got hard.

Honestly, when I watch pornos, I prefer not to see really big cocks -- not because they are intimidating to the average guy but because they usually are like "props." I'd rather see performers who are defined by how good they are, not how big they are. SH is both.

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az-mo-day-us
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 2:12PM
I actually like seeing bigger than average dicks working with hot beautiful women but I know that many of them find the process very difficult and painful. While there will never be another John Holmes, at least we do have plenty of truly worthy white stallions following in his footsteps, such as Rocco, Julian and Steve Holmes just to name a few. They might not be as big as he was but they are definitely doing a better job and are enjoying far more success than he ever did.
melpster
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 2:12PM
Honestly, when I watch pornos, I prefer not to see really big cocks -- not because they are intimidating to the average guy but because they usually are like "props." I'd rather see performers who are defined by how good they are, not how big they are. SH is both.


+1

-MelissaP.

Edited by - melpster on 5/25/2005 2:13:52 PM

MisterNoGood
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195 Posts
2/04
Posted - May 25 2005 : 2:35PM
I like to watch Japanese men perform. It makes me feel good to know that there are guys out there even smaller than me.


Just kidding. I dont get caught up in the size, as long as the guys perform well. Sometimes bigger is not always better. I have a few oral dvds from the company Gentlemens Video that feature Mr 18 inches, and he is one of the worst performers I have ever seen.

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11/02
Posted - May 25 2005 : 2:57PM
Brett Rockman. White. Huge.
Asmodeus
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az-mo-day-us
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10/01
Posted - May 25 2005 : 3:13PM
It is true that bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Even Mandingo has had his fair-share of weak scenes. He usually doesn't have wood problems but there are times when he seems to be less than enthusiastic. If only he would fuck like Erik Everhard, now that would truly be something to behold!
melpster
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5/05
Posted - May 25 2005 : 4:09PM
That would really be something. I can never get tired of watching Erik Everhard fuck.

-MelissaP.

Edited by - melpster on 5/25/2005 4:13:07 PM

Edited by - melpster on 5/25/2005 4:13:34 PM

 
malkira
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 4:21PM
Holmes had his share of wood problems, especially after he'd been in the business for a while. I think the overall quality of male performers, while it still leaves a lot to be desired, is far better than it was in Holmes' day.
ogog
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 5:37PM
I'm sure this title has already been taken on the gay side of the DVD market, but, THE NEXT BIG THING could be a good hetero title for testing different guys to fill Holme's shoes.

It could be like American Idol in that they'd have guys with huge wangs trying to prove they should be a porn actor, by having them perform in a few scenes with different starlets, and could also follow them around in real life as they prepare to see if they're cool people or assholes. They'd need to have more talent than just their dick size, and be physically fit, and care about their costars, etc.

Maybe after each DVD is released people could vote online for who should win.

Bobby
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9/04
Posted - May 25 2005 : 6:42PM
You're preaching to the choir, pal. If you were to team up Mandingo with some top notch babes and get him to start getting more "physical" with 'em (ass-slapping, hair-grabbing, power-fucking, etc.), he would become the top star in the business.
Dover
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 6:58PM
There will only be one John Holmes I think. There have been some other guys with dicks as big as his Dick Rambone, Tony Perez, etc. but they didn't have the success in the business that John Holmes did. I too don't think that size is the most important attribute. I think the most important thing is that they be able to act (I like features) and they need decent looks. I thought John Leslie and Jamie Gillis did much better work than John Holmes, though I know many will disagree on that.
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 7:39PM
Oh yeah Dover, and lets not forget Hershel Savage, Mike Horner and the one and only Ron Jeremy.
Mr-Christy Canyon
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 7:44PM

Well Holmes started out just when the industry was getting more well known to the general public. So he was the guy that pretty much brought it to the fore front. And is widely considered, "The King".

So in a sense, he will never be topped. Even if there are guys who came on the scene later, and who are even better than Holmes was. He will never be topped. Simply because of the fact that Holmes was in many ways, one of the first, "Pornstars" ever.

Oh, and he also had the package as well. But that goes without saying.

lukemason
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 8:22PM
what is your sorce for this wood problem
issue ?
Mr-Christy Canyon
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 9:31PM

Holmes had a drug problem.

Which in effect, caused problems with his ability to perform.

He soon became "unreliable", and began hanging out with the Wonderland gang. The rest is history.

croy
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 10:20PM
1.) They have squirting dildos
2.) I am a guy. I watch for the women. Within limits, the guys are interchangable unless they show some personality.
3.) Even with that, for me they exist in porn to make it sex and to bring out some energy in the women. G/G has little energy.
4.) Your milage may vary.

Cold? You take much note when there is somebody new at the McDonald's counter, or are you just satisfied with getting what you ordered? They are all people after all.

Dover
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 10:32PM
Yes I did leave out some names I guess :) Those you listed definetely do good work as well, I always liked Herschel Savage's movies quite a bit.
 
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 10:58PM
Genetics?
Haze
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Posted - May 25 2005 : 11:50PM
Kurt Lockwood reminds me of Dirk Diggler. He's my fave male preformer out right now.
2Big
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4/03
Posted - May 26 2005 : 1:12AM
Well, in many of his movies John Holmes barely got it up past three quarter mast. Lots of his stuff is lame as fuck, the funny mullett type 70s hair cut didn't help much either.

I don't see much of a market for "hung" white guys; maybe on the homosexual side of things.

Come to think of it, "hung white guy" is kind of a contradiction in terms, sort of like "hung Asian guy."

2Big

Cyberchicken
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Posted - May 26 2005 : 1:37AM
As a straight guy, the only three things I care about, when it comes to male porn stars, is that they 1. don't disgust the female talent 2. can stay erect for the entire scene and 3. can squirt a lot of cum.

Since I prefer swallowing titles, cum shots are the only thing that really matters. I could care less about how large the guy is, as long as he can shoot a big load, everything else is secondary.

I'll never understand why having a huge penis makes some male talent so popular, when they clearly have wood problems, in almost every scene they do.

If you have a horse cock, but have to squeeze the base of your dick, the entire scene, just to stay hard, then what good is it.


Edited by - Cyberchicken on 5/26/2005 2:14:28 AM

hypo
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Posted - May 26 2005 : 2:19AM
Because they have "hung penis envy".
BustdownGal
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Posted - Jul 29 2006 : 1:51AM
John Holmes was wonderful. What I fear is the day Peter North leaves the business. He is my God. I dream of having my face messied by him.
bradbury
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Posted - Jul 29 2006 : 3:01AM
I agree 100% with this comment. As a Black male, I tend to even avoid Mandingo's movies, because there seems to be more of a focus on getting a his long dick in a vagina and ramming it in there as fast as he can rather than a good scene. Lexington Steele on the other hand, has a large penis, but he has better scenes overall. Only problem I have with him is the weird sounds he makes when fucking! HA HA!
NerdGod
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Posted - Jul 29 2006 : 3:36AM
The reason we dont have a John Holmes perse is for the fact porn movies dont lack for size. In the 70's early 80's it was all about the average guy but it seems that a nice dick (nothing above 9inches) is what most people like to see a chick get screwed with. i mean come on who is gonna give it to her harder a 6inch pecker or a 8inch dick? 8 inches of course and besides porn is all about fantasy name me 1 average one who doesnt wish his dick was bigger??? a good size dick fullfills both male and female fantasy.
monster cocks is more freak show/fetish.I dont see the appeal but im sure someone gets off on the horse show.
so basically john holmes type is dead and the freak show lives in grandure.
HarryWild
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Posted - Jul 29 2006 : 4:43AM
Well, it just depends on what you mean when you say "quality of male performers" is far better then it was in Holmes day!

John Leslie, King Paul, Paul Thomas, Jamie Gillis were pretty good actors as well as performers! Today, I don't see many performers that can really act; even Sean Michaels is not in the same league as the above mention.

HarryWild
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Posted - Jul 29 2006 : 4:47AM
I have to say that Rocco Steffredi comes the closest to the modern day John Holmes of male pornstar fame and talent! He is currently retired and is now a director. Rocco can act, has charm and is good on camera; just like legendary John Holmes but without the drugs!
 
croy
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Posted - Jul 29 2006 : 5:11AM
Does he still do scenes?
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Posted - Jul 29 2006 : 7:25AM
Ben English is very well packed too and Chris Charming as well

Nacho Vidal is also big




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