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kicker_f1
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436 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 1:14AM
I don't know why girls perform sex scenes WITHOUT condom and risking their chances of getting the HIV. By testing yourselves each week doesn't do anything to your body to fight or prevent the disease BUT ONLY to find out if you have the disease. So, I still don't understand why girls allow them guys to perfom without condom. What's more important? money or their lifes?

My mom tells me you can have as many sexual partners as you want but remenber to protect yourself until you ready to settle down for that one special lady. Better be safe than sorry (and dead.)

Topic Moved by - DenverDon on Aug 17 2005

DenverDon
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5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 2:25AM
This has been rehashed many times, and I'm moving this to Sex Talk.
Zartyr
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700 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 2:34AM
Good. You discovered something, which only true geniuses are able to grasp. (Actually, if you have two neurons to spare from regulating breath and other vital functions, i.e. if you possess a central nervous system above that of a fly or snail you should be able to grok this.)

Now, to spare you to read about the following ramblings, I will sum the thread up in advance.

1. If a scene is hot, the scene's hotness would miraculously vanish if there was some thin rubber used. People can only sell hot scenes, so some companies stick to non-condom, so they say.

2. Most male talent is so ill suited for the job as a porn actor that they need the bareback feeling to get hard. Often because the sexual attractiveness of the female talent is lacking. (Not my words, I learned this in a recent thread about a HIV infection).

3. Strangely, and countering issue 1, companies who seem to have pro-condom or pro-condom-choice policies seem to do well, economically (Club Jenna, Dorcel, e.g.). Companies with pro-choice or pro-condom policies in general seem to focus on productions with higher production value.

4. There are actresses working with pro-condom companies, and with non-condom companies.
If looking at the cast of videos you will often notice that pro-condom companies have support actresses which are attractive enough to fill the role of main (cover girl) actress in the production of your generic gonzohaus production.
The attractiveness of the suport cast in the generic gonzohaus production is often subpar.

Conclusion:
The casting slots available in high production value productions are rare in a market where every idiot can start a production, his main skills being able to order a camera from an internet store and stealing two neon-strobes from the next construction site for lighting.

Furthermore not even all high production value companies are pro-condom.

So even attractive actresses have to participate in dangerous and risky productions to pay their rent.
Actresses with subpar attractiveness don't even have the choice to appear in the high production value productions.

croy
Platinum Member

Discovry
4574 Posts
3/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 4:23AM
Because there is always somebody fresh of the bus that is willing to do no-condom scenes. They are all individual contractors (except contract girls).
Now why not develop a skil set that is safer in the long term and more financially rewarding? That is another question.
BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 9:04AM
Maybe we're being a bit too dismissive too quickly?

I've rationed my neurons, therefore I was able to reason that another aspect of testing was to keep "you" from infecting other performers.

While far from perfect, testing does help keep the talent pool "cleaner."
Statistics on condoms consistently show a 5% failure rate. Which, I might point out, would seem to be much higher than the percentage of talent being exposed to and contracting HIV.
Sure, there are also other STDs too. And, condoms might help reduce the spread of these other STDs.

If I were a female performer, there is no way in Hell I'd be performing ANAL sex and shooting IV drugs. Those pesky statistics show that these are the most risky activities... by far!

Truth is you are at much greater risk having sex with more than one partner (uh, like dating) in the "straight" world than within the porn industry.

As far as I'm concerned, testing is essential and non-negotiable.

 
Zoid
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5/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 9:24AM
Condoms ruin my porn.
Janitor
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Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 12:52PM
Where do you get this? The porn industry has people who are having sex outside and inside the industry. They are having much more sex than the average person. Many are having sex all around the world. They are performing acts that are far riskier than your standard date sex. I can't imagine anyone outside of porn willing to take a dick in her ass, then straight into her pussy knowing that it causes a dangerous UTI.

As far as why girls do it - I'm not sure it's all that different than signing up for the military right now. People take big risks when they are young to support themselves or start a career. I know porn isn't a career for every 18yr old who walks into the biz, but it can be for many.

assloving1
Member

37 Posts
10/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 1:01PM
Not quite on topic but...

Condoms never bothered me when they first made their way into porn (they used to be everywhere, remember?). Probably because they never used them in oral scenes and they seemed to encourage more oral induced orgasms and facials with the physical limitations of condoms (sex does not feel as good, sorry).

That said I would swear off porn that used condoms for oral, but otherwise I am not concerned. As previously mentioned though, as long as someone will work without them the market will pay that person more.

RLD Fiend
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Cincinnati, O.
665 Posts
10/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 1:33PM
I wish I could talk to my mom about stuff like this... wait, no I don't. That would just be extremely weird for me.
Zartyr
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700 Posts
7/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 2:05PM
Good for you, and I agree with you.
But as you mentioned, the whole testing efforts are about monitoring the subpopulation of porn performers.

This is about controlling the outbreak. It is beneficial for the subpopulation in danger, does not prevent anything and especially does not save the individual in the timeframe until the infection is discovered.
Since you are always behind one step of the bug, you can only control and limit the outbreak in the subpopulation. Testing is no active means of protection.

Regarding HIV: (For the individual) especially the smokescreen of the PCR test is ridiculous at best.
The PCR test is nothing more than a hint. It is usually used to monitor virus levels in patients who are already known to carry the virus.
Investigating the HIV status of an individual with a single PCR test is on par with deciding it by analysing the flight of birds.
One negative PCR test of a person, which is not known to carry HIV tells absolutely nothing about the HIV positive/negative status of that person.

So even an utopical PCR test just before a shooting would not provide the individuals involved in the oncoming scene any safety.

It only works for controlling the status of the porn performer population.

If you want to ensure that an individual is free of HIV make an ELISA, put the individual on an island, lock it in a cell to prevent any contact which might expose the person to HIV, repeat the test after 3 month, wait 3 month again and after a total of 6 month and a negative test again you are quite safe to say this person does not carry HIV.

As long as the porn powers that be don't buy two islands and establish a decent navy to shut off Six-Month-Masturbation-porn-only-Quarantaine Island and Hardcore-Bareback-Pornset-Island from the rest of the world this argument is moot.
The situation is that some bug floats around in the normal world, of which even porn performers are part of. And when such bug enters the porn subpopulation, due to the high risk behaviour and promiscuity in this pool it finds an ideal breeding ground.

Testing is retroactive, because even if you test you are behind.
Testing does prevent nothing.

BTW, whenever I search on bdsmlibrary.com I stumble sometimes across some snuff stories. Judging by reading the outlines of the stories a prevalent theme in snuff stories seems to be some kind of "death lottery".

Quite repulsive and cannot happen on earth?

Maybe the green little men, who are watching earth's societies in their stealthed spaceship in orbit would have another view.

I am sure the spaceships social science officer files a report to send to tthe academy of his homeworld right now.

It reads:
My dear esteemed colleagues of the Academy of Xenosociology,

I spare you my usual ramblings about my utter disgust to watch this puny filthy blue ball in space; this expedition, which did not bring any new advances in xenosociology.

I have recently discovered a new, unbelievable, most interesting phenomenon.

But be warned, it shows the depravity and barbaric ways of the dominant mammal species on this planet.

I discovered - what at first looked like - some form of entertainment these barbarians are fond of.
Sites or arenas for this form of entertainment are set up in various spots, but I concentrated my research to a place they call the city of angels.

This planet is plagued by a disease, which is spread by the act they call sex, but it is quite easy to prevent to get this disease by using a little piece of rubber.

The barbarians have devised a method to use this disease for a exceptional disgusting form of entertainment or formed a religious death cult around it.

They give willing people large amounts of money they could possibly not earn in such a short time in any other profession to perform an act called sex which they record on film, something like a primitive form of our holographing events, and spread this pre-holograms around the world.

The barbarians refer to these people as pornstars and the whole activity is called pornography, the arena is called porn biz and more specifically gonzo porn.

The barbarians buy huge amounts of these pre-holograms.

The biology science officer told me that this sexing is somewhat analogous to our mating.
But while our act of mating is thrilling, inspiring and mind-boggling, even if we watch holograms of the act of mating, the pre-holograms of the barbarians, however, are dull and repetitive beyond belief.

This sparked my interest.
Why would people pay for such dreck?

What makes it yet more interesting is the fact that they produce many different, but yet identical versions of these pre-holograms with different performers.
The amount of different pre-holograms produced in 100th of their standard lifespan is so big, they couldn't watch it, if one would elongate their lifespan by the factor 1000.
What makes it even more mysterious is, that the have whole industries to produce this utterly boring dreck of pre-holograms.
What a waste of resources, we might ask.
But don't forget our standards are not compatible with these primitive earthlings.

Another interesting thing is, while the barbarians teach to use the rubber thing when sexing, they don't allow the pornstars to wear this, at least in an overwhelming amount of the recordings.

Therefore the amount of money they give to the pornstars.
I mean even the barbarians enjoy their act of mating, because you probably wondered, what strange behaviour to pay people to mate.
I mean it is incomprehensible for us, why we should be paid to mate. Why paying someone to enjoy something?
The money they pay them, is a compensation for the risk.

With a little research I found out, that they monitor the pornstars on the event when one of the pornstars transfers the agens, which is responsible for their recent plague, from the whole population to the subpopulation of pornstars.

But why do they do all this?

At first I thought this whole porn thing would be their primitive equivalent of our culture of erotica holograms.
But even these primitive barbarians can't consider the repetitive dullness of their so called porn erotic by any means.

As of now the theory which seems to be most likely is, that the barbarians bet on the date when the agens enters the subpopulation.

So maybe this is some kind of death lottery.
They attract "active" players willing to sacrifice their health and life and the "passive" players bet on the time of the outbreak. The "passive" players actually sponsoring the "active" players.

But this does not explain the vast amounts of pre-holograms.

Maybe these pre-holograms are the lottery-ticket?
But why not make one issue of the ticket?
Despite the similarities in the pre-holograms they differ slightly.
Why this waste of resources?

Probably that is a second chance for the "passive" players to win.
Whoever has the scene of the spreading of the agens into the subpopulation on his pre-hologram, which serves also as the lottery ticket, is eligible to claim a second category prize?

Such explanation fits well with the level of depravity of the savages.

Another theory so far is that we just watch the emergence of a new religious cult.

The followers, or the "passive" players of the death lottery, mourn when a priestess, an "active" player, contracts the virus.
But there is also a vociferous outrage, if a priestess performs the ceremonies with rubber, which would prevent this.

The explanation in the "death lottery" theory would be, because the "active" player is cheating and avoiding death, hence diminishing the enjoyment of the "passive" players.
But maybe even these barbarians are not so depraved, although I would not count on this, as you probably know from my former reports. Seldom have we encountered a species which can match the innate brutality and worshipping of cruelty this species exhibits.

Most of the religious cults known in this species are based on sacrifizing their own species members.
Test of gods they often refer to tragic events, plagues catastrophes.

So maybe this is an attempt to placate their gods.
While the population says "use the rubber" to protect itself, they fear they might irate their gods, because they don't take part as a whole in this test of their gods.

Accordingly the pornstars should then be viewed as priests and priestesses, who take the test of the gods as a steadholder for the rest of society, thus purging the whole population.

This would explain the repetitiveness of the content of-preholograms.
Because all other religions use repetitiveness in their religious ceremonies and meditations, also.

When we investigated the content of the pre-holograms all was centered around a thing the barbarians call the "porn couch".
Other religious cults set up buildings called churches, where the followers attend the ceremonies; the center of the ceremony being called the altar, where the priests make sacrifizes.

This new cult apparently records the ceremonies and sends them to the followers, instead of inviting them into buildings.
The prize the followers pay for the recordings on pre-holograms have thusly to be considered as donations to the church.

So the pre-holograms show ceremonies about the nature of life and death, and a pledge to spare the followers from the plague.
Hence the outrage when a priestess acts against the true meaning of the cult and uses rubber.

My dear colleagues, be assured we will further investigate thes barbarians and their despisable habits and cults.

I hope in my next message my staff and I have solved this intriguing mystery and can rule out either the "death lottery" theory or the "dislocated unified church of gonzo" theory, or maybe we can unify the two theories, to explain this repulsive behaviour of sacrifising sophonts, which even these barbarians with all their shortcomings are.

I won't further investigate the theory that this pornography could be a primitive equivalent to our erotica.

I mean could you imagine that an avid watcher of erotica-holograms, would demand that his adored idols undergo the risk of getting an potentially life-threatening/shortening disease.
This is another point, besides the dullness of the content of the recordings, which rules this theory out, even taking in account the high level and fascination of violence of this species.

Regards

BigBobxxx
Senior Member

2681 Posts
5/04
Posted - Aug 17 2005 : 2:57PM
Perhaps it wasn't clear enough.
I was referring to contracting HIV.

We can go search for the statistics, however, I distinctly recall reading statistics that the rate of HIV infection is higher in the general population than within the porn industry.

VincentVanGauge
Former Fucking Virgin

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1412 Posts
12/04
Posted - Aug 21 2005 : 5:44PM
Since I didn't read the whole thread I hope I won't repeat what has been already said...
Yeah, but if tested people have sex with tested people only they should get a disease in the following cases only:

- They have sex although one of them has been tested positive. I won't comment that one.

- They were both tested negative but the test result was incorrect. That is uncommon, and with running the test twice it's as good as impossible, though I don't know whether these test are done twice

- They don't get the disease by contagion, but out of the blue (I mean, someone must have been the first to get a disease, and if that could happen back then it still can now, no?)

There's no such thing as inexistence.




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