And I doubt men would pay for an hour and then just eat pussy... that's romantic bullshit you should save for your wife, right?
Go read what the author of this thread wrote. Apparently, you're wrong.
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Posted - Jul 19 2006 : 11:19AM
I think that's because alot of guy's don't know what the fuck they're doing.
I believe Hillary Scott stated this in one of her BTS, and I'm bound to agree with her. On the other hand, I love her pussy, it's the kind I wouldn't mind just smothering me to the point of sexual asphyxiation!
Some people are just a little TOO "specialist" as one fellow poster puts it.
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Posted - Jul 19 2006 : 11:53AM
While you're in the shower I will be wiping off my computer screen.
Some things have always deserved representation in scenes, and although the VHS FFwd function, experienced a rather rough transition to the DVD, I'd hate to imagine the cumshot ever becoming expendable, due to user inconvenience. Having said that, theres really very few ways of capturing this act, that doesn't prompt an immediate test of the FFwding skills. When the girl gets into CG, and just face fucks him silly, grinding, and mashing her pussy onto the frontside of some dudes head, who's laid out, flat on his back, with the POV pulled back, I can at that point, vicariously enjoy the situation he's faced with.
Pagoda, You hit that on the head(pun?). Sixty-nine is so hot to watch, if the people are truly into each other. I'm a big fan of watching a woman give oral to a man. It's even better if he is eating her at the same time. She starts to get close to coming and goes crazy on the cock. And I like it even better if she lokks into the lens too. makes me want to join in. Now I need a cold shower also.
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Posted - Jul 19 2006 : 4:19PM
Why? Try watching Ed Powers eat pussy, truly a scary sight.
I'll agree with you on the squirt thing, but if you find cunnilingus to be disgusting I simply can't fathom that.
"What you hear from a lot of women"? phrases like that always make me wonder which sexually free women are going around talking to guys about their sexual likes and dislikes yet think that recieving head is "disgusting"...
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 12:17AM
chaotic_23 wroteI actually find any form of oral sex to be disgusting for the person performing it, not for the person receiving it. Thus, as much as I love watching and receiving blowjobs, I cannot understand how a woman can do it and not be repulsed by it. Although I know there are some women who say they like giving head, I think they are the exception and not the norm. I think most women do find giving blowjobs to be disgusting, just as I know for a fact that I am not the only guy who finds cunnilingus to be disgusting. Even though I may be the minority on this forum in that regard, I know that's not the case in reality.
Eric381 wrote
Probably because they don't want to do it in the first place. Lack of skill or enthusiasm in any sexual act is usually a result of reluctance to perform it to begin with. It's just like how some girls pretend to be bad at giving head just so guys won't keep asking them to do it. Being bad at something is the best way to keep your partner from asking you to do it. I think most people, men and women, only perform oral sex as some sort of obligation to their partner anyway, and not because they actually enjoy giving it.
scipio wrote
I don't know any women who just go around randomly sharing their sexual fetishes with guys off the street. When I was talking about what I hear from women, I was referring to women that I either know or have heard discussing these things. For example, when I took a women's studies class in college, during a class discussion on sex, one of the girls in class admitted to the entire class that she finds oral sex (on women) to be disgusting- a statement with which alot of the girls in the class agreed. Since the class was predominantly female, and the few of us guys there were in the class hardly ever spoke anyway, it was not uncommon for the girls to talk as if us guys were not even in the room. After a while, I think they just started forgetting we were even there. Anyway, one of these conversations even led to the professor making a statement to the girls in the class saying, "If you always perform oral sex on a guy, but he never performs it on you, then you are nothing more than a servant." Just by looking at the expressions on alot of the girls' faces when she said that, it was obvious that her statement must have hit a nerve with alot them. Personally, I think that being a servant has been getting too much of a bad rep lately.
Furthermore, I have heard similar sentiments about cunnilingus from girls who I have dated and been in relationships with. I also have several close friends who are women and it is not uncommon for us to have conversations on sex. From talking to them, I have also heard some interesting perspectives on oral sex. I even have one friend who feels the same way I do about oral sex, but since she's a woman, it's the other way around. She likes to get it, but won't give it. It's a good thing she and I are platonic, because we would never make it as a couple.
It took me a long time to stop being disgusted by giving blowjobs and even longer to really enjoy it. It turns me on to turn my husband on, so I love giving him head. But only because I love him. I'd fuck a guy that I like, but I'll only suck a guy that I love.Reluctance can stem from all manner of sources, not just squeamishness or disgust. A lot of people avoid oral sex because they're afraid they're going to do it wrong. It's not like fucking, the basics of which are instinctual. Performance anxiety exists in both sexes, and it stems from fear of failure.
And you're right that being bad at something is the best way to keep your partner from asking you to do it. But it's also the best way to make your partner ask someone else to do it, too. Careful what you wish for.
So these were girls in their late-teens/early-twenties? No shit they thought it was gross. It takes years for young women to take charge of their sex lives, make peace with their less-than-perfect bodies and demand sexual satisfaction. Despite their willingness to discuss this in your class, I suspect they were just as self-conscious many girls their age, and the most frightening possible scenario for them would be rejection and embarrassment. Ask that same college girl ten years later after some guy or gal has rocked her world with a tongue, and she'll take back everything she said in class that day.
It took me a long time to stop being disgusted by giving blowjobs and even longer to really enjoy it. It turns me on to turn my husband on, so I love giving him head. But only because I love him. I'd fuck a guy that I like, but I'll only suck a guy that I love.
So these were girls in their late-teens/early-twenties? No shit they thought it was gross. It takes years for young women to take charge of their sex lives, make peace with their less-than-perfect bodies and demand sexual satisfaction. Despite their willingness to discuss this in your class, I suspect they were just as self-conscious many girls their age, and the most frightening possible scenario for them would be rejection and embarrassment. Ask that same college girl ten years later after some guy or gal has rocked her world with a tongue, and she'll take back everything she said in class that day. [/quote]
Has she ever given head to someone she didn't love? I love giving my husband head because I love giving head, always have. Yes, it turns me on to turn him on too, but I crave giving head, enjoy every bit of it. Anyway, "ask that same college girl..." and baby she is in her thirties, horny as hell, making sure that he is doing everything to her liking. Yeah.
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 2:50AM
It's very simple, any couple that has true chemistry, will derive pleasure from doing anything to provide their partner with pleasure. If both partners are willing to do this, you have something truely special.
It is unfortunate that most people don't figure this out until later in life.
But then, what's reason for the fishnets and transparent high-heels? Because men are obviously more into 'the girl next door?'... or is it the business that got it all wrong? Maybe it's just porn tradition to dress girls up like whores? Like costumes on Halloween?
I wouldn't dress them up like whores so, no, I'm not speaking for myself here. And I'm not one of those anti-cunnilinguists if that's what you were thinking.
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 3:32AM
None of the street-walkers in my area wear outfits like that. I don't consider those outfits the official uniform of the whore. These outfits are specifically designed to spice things up, nothing more. You are merely making assumptions and using derogatory terms that I'm sure most women don't appreciate.
I've always hated the term "whore", but for some odd reason, I love the term "Slut".
Many girls that come close to fitting the bill, meaning, even come close to being called a whore or a slut, in this day and age, they will accept slut, like being called a slut, so enjoy being called a slut, agree that, "ooh, I am such a slut", will reject being called a whore. (Wait, doesn't it depend on who it's coming from, the situation, etc?) The term "whore" is significant in American history, and henceforth, in our current society because...whoa, way off topic. Let's see more "girls in porn getting eaten out"!
You mean me? I've never given head to somebody I didn't love, but then I haven't given head to anybody but my husband since I started to enjoy it. Who knows, maybe I would like sucking an unfamiliar cock if it were attached to an attractive, hygienic man.
"It's very simple, any couple that has true chemistry, will derive pleasure from doing anything to provide their partner with pleasure. If both partners are willing to do this, you have something truely special.
It is unfortunate that most people don't figure this out until later in life."
You have that right!! The first time I was with my wife she gave me a great blow job. Then said "if I am doing anything wrong let me know." What she wants sexually from me? Anything she asks for!!
Edited by - allit on 7/20/2006 4:14:31 AM
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 4:16AM
And you know this fact, Dr.?? Sorry, I don't go for this "Trust me, I'm an expert in this field" opinion/attitude.
Did you consider that many of the chicks who take such classes are feministic hogs anyway? The same chicks who think the only thing that constitutes "sex" is sticking it in; playing around in 2-3 positions that don't include anal or oral, pulling it out; blowing your load on her belly (or worse, in a condom).
Most of your sentiments should be based on "through my experiences only", and not written as though they are fact. You're not a PhD of sexuality, so please, spare us the pretense where you think you are.
Right on, just like a job. If you can't do it properly...or you're making an effort to do it IMPROPERLY, you can always be replaced, esp. to those couples where sex (or sexual gratification) is an immediate necessity.Edited by - Eric381 on 7/20/2006 5:38:58 AM
Sweetie, I am new to this board, however, I know that you are quite a contributor, if you will, (my sisters and I always say "and I will...", kinda funny), anyway, to this board, and you are telling me that you have loved so many people? LOL
I have only loved (and had sex with) two people, ever. So no, it's not a stretch at all. I'm obsessed with sex now, but I was a late bloomer. I'm trying to make up for the wasted years of pointless prudery.
And welcome, KristaK. I liked you immediately. You're my kind of gal.
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 4:38AM
Nice to see the process reversed for once. A great friend of mine married a gal he met online, and tells me stories of great sex with a trim gal he met 7 years ago (about 1999). He's 37, and I think she's nearing 40.
Now, she goes to church EVERY Sunday, preaches the good word, and the poor bastard rarely gets laid. In addition, he has a wonderful 6-year old son who will be raised not to so much as defend himself, but instead to tell the teacher when something goes wrong. Why? Because that's the way dear mother thinks since she's directed herself, pointing to the prudery & cautiousness that "that guy in the bible" has spoken of. I feel sorry for him...
Wow, you are such a great representative of, well, example of, whatever love, someone genuine. I have to say, congratulations on finding that "one". Congrats on excelling to the point that you are a huge contributor to this forum. Sounds like "you've come a long way baby"!
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 5:12AM
Eric381 wroteThat is what I said. If you actually read my initial post on this thread, my exact words were "from what I hear from alot of women." As far as taking everything I say as undisputed fact, I never said it was. It is based on my experience and observation. You don't have to believe anything I say. It doesn't matter to me. But it would be nice if you didn't seem to get off on being an asshole all the time.
Maybe because it is hard to get a good camera shot. I know when my wife takes pictures of me eating her; they are not that erotic. Now that could be a personal flaw in myself.
Maybe, but if you think of a camera shot, and what is considered erotic, both the male and female genitilia are pretty much covered up. (A clever person like yourself could probably figure out a picture). Porno movies are oblivious to good sex. Erotic shots are taken for the viewer, not what is actually pleasurable sex. Eating out a women is one of the most erotic thing I can think of but probably fits in a soft porn category as you can usually only see her writhing abs and breast, and that lovely contorted face.
If Jules Jordan came out with a new series where cunnilingus was the prominent sex act... I think there'd be some kind of revolution.
Or am I just way too big of a JJ fan?
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 1:01PM
Even better yet, call it "The Last Supper", or something like that to give the impression the girl is getting eaten like it's her partner's last meal!! That'll piss the religious freaks off for certain!
Awesome, isn't it? She's so mortified the first time it happens, and then he dives back in for more and she loses her damn mind. Finally she cries foul and tells him he's way too good at it. Heehee! EVERY scene those two did together is great. I wish she was still in the biz. She an Julian were also paired in:
POV Pin-ups 2 Sinful Asians 4 Young And The Raunchy
All good scenes. Be sure to watch BTS on the first two. They're hilarious.
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Posted - Jul 20 2006 : 3:58PM
If it wasn't for squirting I'd probably have stopped watching b/g porn already. Give me a good g/g movie with lots of pussy eating and I'm happy. No need to look at guys' faces, and if for once I want to see a bick dick, there's still the mirror-and-telescope method. You bet I would!
Now softcore can be extremely hot (even more bonerific than porn though less ejacuphile), but when I get a porn movie it's because I want to see pussy. Since porn is the only product that contains pussy at all it better contains pussy for sure! Not the whole time, of course, as I enjoy facial expressions of female pleasure a lot, too, but if I wanted a quality movie with no pussy and just facial expressions I'd buy "Baker's Dozen" or something.
By the way, Pagoda, I really enjoy your posts. There's a lot of interesting thoughts in them, even in cases where I don't agree with them, especially with those that lack pussy.
Panties - maybe not the best thing in the world, but next to it.
So... "slut" is NOT derogatory? So... you think women appreciate being called "slut"? Your logics are lost on me...
Anywho, I was initally trying to reflect the common man - not us porn fans - those who don't care about the girls' names or who produced the flick. Those who buy those horrible compilations.
The best way to do that is along these lines: I imagine that some men don't care about the performers. For them, it may be that...
That way people will actually know that you're speaking hypothetically.
PS - Those who buy compilations may not be connossieurs of porn but that doesn't mean they think the performers are whores. They may just be going for the most bang for their buck.
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 12:49PM
IMHO...
Slut is 'agreeable', it can be looked at as a term of endearment. Only negative by those who think sex is a dirty practice. Your use of 'whore' perhaps seems derogatory, like many folks at XPT tend to abuse it. It's sort of the difference between calling a girl a "bitch" and a "cunt". The latter in my presence personally would gain you some attention. Better I (then others within my family), my older sister would just punch the jackass who uses such terminology to describe a woman.
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 3:30PM
This always falls back to the debate of pornstar=whore which I believe is untrue. Some girls only work with their boyfriends/husbands. Whores typically sleep with anyone for money, Pornstars don't (even though I'm sure some do). I think it's unfair to lump them all in the same category.
"Whore" is a derogatory term for prostitute. Even if your intent is light-hearted, if you throw the term around on a message board like this, it's easy to be misinterpreted.
"Slut" is a term for a woman, or man, who loves to fuck alot, which I believe should be encouraged!
All of these terms can be used in a derogatory manner, but they are fine to use in the context of dirty talking during sex, as long as your partner doesn't mind.
I hope this sounds more logical. Live long & prosper.
I concur. So, with that in mind... please, let us all never stop getting nastier, easier, filthier and sluttier with each passing day! (Props to Martin.)
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 4:17PM
Did you do that today? If not, I'll be mighty disappointed!!
Keep been more slutty, hotter, sexier, and filthier CG_Gurl!!
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 4:20PM
I'm not sure how this thread changed from being about cunnilingus to derogatory terms for women, but anyhow, I'll just go ahead and throw in my two cents... again.
Gunzo wrote
Women don't appreciate being called "slut." However, the thing that alot of people around here seem to forget is that terms like "slut," "whore," etc., are not used in reference to women. They are terms used to refer to certain women, not women altogether. Plus, these are terms oftentimes used by other women themselves. To make the point clearer: Not all women are whores, but some are. I don't recall myself ever personally calling a woman a "slut" (at least not to her face), though there are many times when I have thought it about certain women. Even if I'm thinking it, I won't say it just out of plain respectability. Anyway, if we want to be honest and real about all this, it is completely unrealistic for a woman to take an occupation in which she earns money through sex, and then not expect to have a damaged reputation among society as a consequence. This is what happens in the real world, not the porn world, which is based on fantasy anyway.
Twizted6 wrote
Prostistutes don't have to fuck everyone who solicits them either. They can choose to turn tricks away too.Basically, if you take the camera out of the equation, it is the same category.I'm not understanding how it can be easily misinterpreted if it's referring to a pornstar, but not misinterpreted if it's referring to a hooker. The definition doesn't change depending on its application.I agree.
As far as porn goes, "whore" and "slut" are marketing terms. If I took offense to those words in the porn context every time I saw them, I'd miss out on a lot of good porn.
Personally, I don't view porn performers as whores, because the law doesn't view them as such. What they do on a set is give a performance, first and foremost. They're paid by a production company and they report their income to the IRS. They're not prostitutes. (Don't quibble about the pro-ams that do this shit under the table; I'm talking about the legal porn business.)
But back to the original idea laid forth in this topic that started this debate, "whore" and "slut" are used freely on DVD cases and they're meant to attract the attention of men who want to whack off to the antics of women with loose morals. That's it. Some men might find whoredom and slutdom admirable pursuits. They might sincerely appreciate the public service these ladies perform. Others just want to watch "whores" get degraded, and they don't want any humanity imposed on their fantasy in any way. Nothing humanizes a woman more than giving her generous pleasure, and treating her like she matters.
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 5:08PM
Pagoda wroteAre you then implying that "whore" is an appropriate term for prostitutes, but not pornstars? Does this distinction still apply in places where prostitution is legal, or is it completely up to the law to decide who gets labelled a whore?
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 8:15PM
It's a derogatory term period. I don't think it's appropriate at all.
I also believe prostitution should be legal.
I'm not debating that prostitution isn't similar to porn, but how can you deny the differences? Does a woman who will only work with her boyfriend/husband deserve to be called a prostitute?
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 10:41PM
Twizted6 wroteIt is derogatory, but that's the whole point of it in the first place. The only types of derogatory labels I have serious problems with are the ones that are applied to people based on things over which they have no control (i.e., ethnicity, sex, nationality, handicap, physical characteristics, etc.). When it comes to derogatory labels that are applied to people based on choices, which they themselves make and are solely responsible for, then I think that's a different story and cannot be held to comparison, even though I don't believe in being condemingly judgemental either. After all, are men not given derogatory labels all the time for "unacceptable" choices that they make?
And the only reason I mention this is because there is alot of hypocrisy in the way some people have no problem in holding derogatory views toward prostitutes, but not toward pornstars. I cannot comprehend the rationale behind that. How can it not be hypocritical to label one a "whore," but not the other, when they both do the same thing? Either both are "whores," or neither is. That's my point.
Legally (not morally), I have no feeling on it one way or the other. It makes no difference to me whether it's legal or illegal. Even most places where it is illegal, it is usually rarely enforced anyway. I do, however, have a problem with the rationalization that just because porn is legal and prostitution illegal, that one must then be better than the other. That doesn't make sense. There are many double standards within the law, and this one of them. The way I see it, it's no different from how some addictive drugs are legal, but others will land you in jail if you get caught using them. So are people who smoke cigarettes worthy of higher respect and admiration than people who smoke marijuana simply because one is legal and the other not? This is the same thing with porn and prostitution.The only difference I see is that porn is legal and is, therefore, considered a "legitimate" business, which is exactly what prostitution would be if it were legal. Other than a camera also being involved, I see no other difference between the two."Deserve to be called a prostitute?" Your question implies that being a prostitute inferior to being a pornstar. So if you call a woman a prostitute, it's an insult, but if you call her a pornstar, it's just her occupation? Again, what makes one better than the other? But anyway, to answer your question, there are exceptions to every standard. Though she is still being paid to have sex (which is the definition of a prostitute), she is having it with someone with whom she is involved in a monogamous relationship and would be having sex with under regular circumstances even if she weren't being paid. No, I would not call her a prostitute. But such cases are the small minority in porn. The vast majority of porn scenes are not between monogamous partners, but between whoever is cast and paid to be in the scene.
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Posted - Jul 21 2006 : 11:23PM
You're right, that was poor wording on my part. I should have said "Does that make her a prostitute?". Unfortunately, most pornstars do see prostitutes as a step down. Thats why most don't like to be called whores.
Why can't we just have 2 different labels, Pornstars & Prostitutes? Is it too much to ask for? When that definition of prostitute was made up, do you think porn was even a thought? Things change, and I believe people should open their minds and stop being so hard-lined about it.
this is what I am thinking; eating a womans cunt is one of the best experience in life. But maybe there should be more of an environment. I think maybe fancy food is the answer; maybe Italian food spread over her tight, tasty cunt lips, before eating desert would be nice. Just a thout.
Posted - Jul 19 2006 : 10:56AM
Not the whole time, of course, as I enjoy facial expressions of female pleasure a lot, too, but if I wanted a quality movie with no pussy and just facial expressions I'd buy "Baker's Dozen" or something. 