Disclaimer: Dont get me wrong! Rape is a crime and has to be severely punished. Porn fantasy set up fake-rape (clearly marked as FAKE!!!!) consists of consensual adults embarking on a role play.
Rape is quite a common theme in mainstrean cinema, it has been a theme in 70ties porn I read, it has (luckily!) more clearly marked as <fake> been done in some GBG-flicks (Francesca Le a.o.), in some Private vignettes...but now as porn breaks more and more borders, it's disappeared. All other customers/directors fantasies seem legitimate, fake-rape is not.
I am asking this after a longer discussion with one of my models (Stella), telling me that she fantazizes about being raped by a biker gang. And while she does not want this really to happen, she would like to play tho role of the raped girl in a safe porn setting.
I was really puzzled to hear that first, but after some search on the net rape-fantasies seem to be quite common for many women.
While good sensible producers, like most US ones, could play safe here easily, I think. This would not leave the market to less sensible underground producers, like those Russian videos my brother keeps. They are awful, sometimes not even clear wheter it is fake or not (!), yet as my brother showed me in discussion forum, they are very looked after - and not only in Russia, from all over the world.
I think Extreme Associates did make a fake rape film called Forced Entry. The Federal Government then indicted some of the owners of Extreme on federal obscenity laws that should be repealed. Rather than asking this question here on ADT forum you should ask Attorney General John Ashcroft. I am sure he would be more than happy to explain it to you LOL. There is one old Sodomania film that has a scene with Tammi Ann and Steven St. Croix I believe (or was it Alex Sanders). Its been a long time. The scene was called "WILD BOY" and damn was it interesting. If anybody knows what volume of Sodomania that was please let me know. The last scene in Dirty Trixxx 2 is also very interesting, it is also made by Elegant Angel.
I also believe that rape fantasy is a very prevalent fantasy among both men and women, but I don't think you'll see the U.S. adult film industry touch this in today's political climate. The Attorney General/Grand Inquisitor would just love to indict more filthy pornographers as he has with Rob Black and Lizzie Borden.
The "Wild Boy" scene was in Sodomania 7, and it was a damn hot scene.
Hmm i think for these fake rape scenes the european market is the best especially italy, france they have many pornmovies which are prohibited in germany, england and other western countries and there are some beautiful stars which did a lot of fake rape scenes like lea martini, anita dark, selen, deborah wells, draghixa, dalila, erika bella, karen lancaume oceane, jenny fields rebecca lord, simona valli...........
some pics can be find here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mariosalierihardcoreclub/ http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub2
some previews
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Oct 13 2003 : 8:05AM
Thanks a lot, Fumetto! I would like to know more, but I dont think you can post fake-rape pictures here directly. Try to post the links please. in FAQ is exactly explained how it works.
Also, most interested I am in the Erica Bella fake-rape. What film is that? Are fake-rapes still actually produced in Italy and France. I ask as most of the actresses you list are retired by now.
Rape fetish tapes are quite popular in France, though most of them are only available on vhs. They're mostly amateurish, no-budget, no-star tapes. I've got a rape fetish but I hate amateurish porn so I've stayed away from them. Cargo & Concorde distribute most of these tapes, I'll try to see if they've got a website. You may also take a look at www.bestdvdx.com, France's biggest online adult store, & make a "Oeil du cochon" studio search. They do a lot of these extreme hardcore. Lesson in French for easier title navigation : "viol" means rape & "forcée" means forced.
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well anita dark has a good fake scene in "terrore del weekend" it was released now by goldlight as "entführt und gedemuetigt" it also contains dalila, silvia clarck and the beautiful natalie romel i have some small previews in my streamload archive www.streamload.com a full description to this service can be find in my clubs http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mariosalierihardcoreclub/ http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub
Having read some of this thread the other day, happened to see this as I just had a look at EroDVD today. Talk about coincidence. I've never heard of the label Sex Thriller -- but with the amount of new labels out there these days, it's not surprising -- but it's relevant to the topic here, so I thought I'd post the info.
Ok here are the vidcaps of some of the best forced sexscenes of Mario Salieri and Nicky ranieri movies
more you can find in my free clubs
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mariosalierihardcoreclub/ http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub2 in these free clubs you can download all clips, vidcaps, pictures of selen, draghixa, lea martini, deborah wells...
another good fakerapescnes in italian french productions contai stars like lea martini deborah wells draghixa maeva selen julia chanel rebecca lord nathalie romel erika bella......
Personally, simulated rape scenes disgust me. I understand that they are fake and all, but to me, a porn scene is not worth watching unless the woman seems to be enjoying herself.
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 12:01PM
They disgust me as well, but the fake-rape concept (as I always understood it) is based exactly on that phantasy that first a girl gets pushed around by faked rapist(s), but than soon she does actually enjoy her treatment.
But the puritan climate in the USA does, it seems, absolutely not allow even this kind of role play amongst consenting professional adults. I write this after having gotten already the umpth letter of an US-porn cameraperson thanking me for my proposition to film that line for S&S Mocow Video Production but telling me he really cannot do it because it depicts fake forced sex to a certain extent. And this in the eye of the widely known fact that rape phantasies are common amongst women and men alike! I think there must be a really very strong and repressiv PC-lobby in the US having power even inside the most openminded parts of society, even amongst the sexually most tolerant. I was really not aware of that, which reminds me more of Stalinism than freedom of speech and such ideals!
I have not contacted Max Hardcore yet, but consider doing it probabely now. Looks like a devils pact, but I still dream about a good Western professional filming that line for us. Also because I want to export it there afterwards of course, too.
I ve found a good site to this theme http://www.conradson.com it contains a lot of sex and crime a little bit like salieri and they have beautiful girls like dora venter
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Moscow 1313 Posts 1/03
Posted - Mar 12 2004 : 2:56PM
I cannot believe what a stir up I have created anouncing the shooting of our first fake-rape scene in Moscow! A tread closed after just 20 1/2 hours and 7 posts, than re-opened somehow to attract 72 more posts in the next 50 hours, just to be closed again!
Thus, I cannot answer any questions, which is maybe good, because I am forbidden to make any more anouncments about scenes we shoot in the press-releaase section, it seems. But thanks to Renee, I found this old tread of mine, dealing with a similar subject. And if I dont include a link to my website, its no promotion, I hope:
Just let me say, I cannot express the degree of hypocrisy I read in some posts. I tought it was clear enough that I was talking about clearly marked film, depicting a fake -rape scenario agreed upon by mature adults, staged and played by mature adults for money.
I started producing this stuff, because I strongly believe in the freedom to express phantasies. And rape-fantasies are wide-spread amongst women and men. I also started producing this material because there is a huge market for this in Russia and ex-USSR-countries, a market that is filled up to now by dubious producers, often (as I suspect), actually raping the girls they show. (I have watched such example shot by soldiers in Chechnia or South-Russia).
Whoever knows my previous posts does know how much I care for my models, how much I do like my girls, even if I also do make my living renting them to other porn producers or (recently) shooting my own porn with them. So what is wrong with paying our model Sophia 1000$ for 8 hours of porn shooting on March 8th? Sophia (21) is into heavy anal, DAP and fisting. At the same time she looks too cute to even think she would enjoy rough sex. She herself suggested letting her play in our fake-rape line. By dressing her up in a mini-skirt and fence fishnets we played with male phantasies, sure. Scientifically wrong male phantasies. I know that women do not ask to be raped in reality! Not by their dress. Never, anyway! But this male phantasy sells. And its more fun to watch a sexily dressed girl. And she enjoys it, because Sophia does enjoy rough sex. Because I dont want to make torture films. Because its just a clearly marked rape-phantasy.
If you are lucky, we will not find an US-distributor. Russian market is big enough for this kind of films anyway. Just let me tell, that I got more than a dotzen inquiries from West about renting girls doing fake-rape stuff.
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Enough. Not only has this has been discussed to the point of most people's exhaustion, but whether or not you include a link you're still just defending and promoting your "product".
ADT certainly serves a purpose for promotion, but this is getting rediculous.
Call it what you will--hypocritical, unfair, or simply that some (many...? most...?) of us (including Steph) are just tired of hearing about it. I don't care. You're not wriggling your way out anymore.
I'm probably going to be unpoular in some circles for closing this thread, but so be it.