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shameless
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Moscow
1313 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 8 2003 : 2:40AM
Disclaimer: Dont get me wrong! Rape is a crime and has to be severely punished. Porn fantasy set up fake-rape (clearly marked as FAKE!!!!) consists of consensual adults embarking on a role play.

Rape is quite a common theme in mainstrean cinema, it has been a theme in 70ties porn I read, it has (luckily!) more clearly marked as <fake> been done in some GBG-flicks (Francesca Le a.o.), in some Private vignettes...but now as porn breaks more and more borders, it's disappeared. All other customers/directors fantasies seem legitimate, fake-rape is not.

I am asking this after a longer discussion with one of my models (Stella), telling me that she fantazizes about being raped by a biker gang. And while she does not want this really to happen, she would like to play tho role of the raped girl in a safe porn setting.

I was really puzzled to hear that first, but after some search on the net rape-fantasies seem to be quite common for many women.

While good sensible producers, like most US ones, could play safe here easily, I think. This would not leave the market to less sensible underground producers, like those Russian videos my brother keeps. They are awful, sometimes not even clear wheter it is fake or not (!), yet as my brother showed me in discussion forum, they are very looked after - and not only in Russia, from all over the world.

Edited by - Shameless on Oct 8 2003

EagleSpirit
Member

Somewhere Doing Something Stupid
439 Posts
7/03
Posted - Oct 8 2003 : 3:12AM
I think Extreme Associates did make a fake rape film called Forced Entry. The Federal Government then indicted some of the owners of Extreme on federal obscenity laws that should be repealed. Rather than asking this question here on ADT forum you should ask Attorney General John Ashcroft. I am sure he would be more than happy to explain it to you LOL. There is one old Sodomania film that has a scene with Tammi Ann and Steven St. Croix I believe (or was it Alex Sanders). Its been a long time. The scene was called "WILD BOY" and damn was it interesting. If anybody knows what volume of Sodomania that was please let me know. The last scene in Dirty Trixxx 2 is also very interesting, it is also made by Elegant Angel.
meandr74
Member

19 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 9 2003 : 12:55AM
I also believe that rape fantasy is a very prevalent fantasy among both men and women, but I don't think you'll see the U.S. adult film industry touch this in today's political climate. The Attorney General/Grand Inquisitor would just love to indict more filthy pornographers as he has with Rob Black and Lizzie Borden.

The "Wild Boy" scene was in Sodomania 7, and it was a damn hot scene.

EagleSpirit
Member

Somewhere Doing Something Stupid
439 Posts
7/03
Posted - Oct 9 2003 : 1:03AM
Thanks for the info, is Sodomania 7 the Biggest Baddest and the Best?
shameless
Deactivated User

Moscow
1313 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 12 2003 : 4:42PM
How is that in West Europe? Does anybody know? Thanks!
 
Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Oct 13 2003 : 8:01AM

Hmm i think for these fake rape scenes
the european market is the best
especially italy, france
they have many pornmovies which are prohibited
in germany, england and other western countries
and there are some beautiful stars which did a lot of fake
rape scenes like
lea martini,
anita dark,
selen,
deborah wells,
draghixa,
dalila,
erika bella,
karen lancaume
oceane,
jenny fields
rebecca lord,
simona valli...........

some pics can be find here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mariosalierihardcoreclub/
http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub
http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub2


some previews


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shameless
Deactivated User

Moscow
1313 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 13 2003 : 8:05AM
Thanks a lot, Fumetto!
I would like to know more, but I dont think you can post fake-rape pictures here directly. Try to post the links please. in FAQ is exactly explained how it works.

Also, most interested I am in the Erica Bella fake-rape. What film is that?
Are fake-rapes still actually produced in Italy and France. I ask as most of the actresses you list are retired by now.

vodka tonic
coolest cucumber

who
1243 Posts
11/02
Posted - Oct 13 2003 : 2:34PM
Rape fetish tapes are quite popular in France, though most of them are only available on vhs. They're mostly amateurish, no-budget, no-star tapes. I've got a rape fetish but I hate amateurish porn so I've stayed away from them. Cargo & Concorde distribute most of these tapes, I'll try to see if they've got a website. You may also take a look at www.bestdvdx.com, France's biggest online adult store, & make a "Oeil du cochon" studio search. They do a lot of these extreme hardcore.
Lesson in French for easier title navigation : "viol" means rape & "forcée" means forced.

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Edited by - vodka tonic on 10/13/2003 2:37:41 PM

Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Oct 13 2003 : 3:15PM

Erika Bella did a lot of fake rape scenes
like in
otages
stupri gallery
lucrezia 2

i ll post some links to the pics soon

some more infos to these movies
http://www.deltadivenere.com/ultimate/spotlight/ericabella.asp


Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - Oct 13 2003 : 4:52PM
damn, now you got me curious..in which video is the Anita Dark fake rape?
Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 2:22AM
well anita dark has a good fake scene
in "terrore del weekend"
it was released now by goldlight as
"entführt und gedemuetigt"
it also contains dalila, silvia clarck
and the beautiful natalie romel
i have some small previews in my streamload archive
www.streamload.com
a full description to this service can be find in my clubs
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mariosalierihardcoreclub/
http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub

http://www.orgazmik.com/detail/F/dvd/12974.htm
http://www.vcdquality.com/image.php?id=19522

shameless
Deactivated User

Moscow
1313 Posts
1/03
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 7:16AM
Fumetto,2 questions:
- Is this cute girl on the cover Nathalie Romel?
- Is Salieri still shooting fake-rape films in 2003?

Ta!

cykedout
Member

Ireland
245 Posts
8/00
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 10:56AM
Having read some of this thread the other day, happened to see this as I just had a look at EroDVD today. Talk about coincidence. I've never heard of the label Sex Thriller -- but with the amount of new labels out there these days, it's not surprising -- but it's relevant to the topic here, so I thought I'd post the info.


Cheers.

Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 11:00AM
MLyons
Senior Member

1617 Posts
8/02
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 11:08AM
Fumetto,

Please stop posting direct images in the forum. Please use links instead. We ask this to reduce bandwidth demand. Thanks.

Mike L.

 
noproblemo
Member

348 Posts
12/02
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 11:53AM
Silvia de Clark, who is better known nowadays as Szilvia Lauren or Sharone.
See also this thread and this one too.
Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 6:23PM

yes its nathalie romel on the cover
i ll post more links of her soon
sorry for posting too much pics without link

Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Oct 22 2003 : 2:42PM

Ok here are the vidcaps
of some of the best forced sexscenes of
Mario Salieri and Nicky ranieri movies

more you can find in my free clubs

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mariosalierihardcoreclub/
http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub
http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub2
in these free clubs you can download all clips, vidcaps, pictures of
selen, draghixa, lea martini, deborah wells...

Otages

Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Oct 22 2003 : 3:16PM
Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Nov 4 2003 : 2:49PM

Hmm sorry dont know why
the pics doesent work

another good fakerapescnes in italian french productions
contai stars like
lea martini
deborah wells
draghixa
maeva
selen
julia chanel
rebecca lord
nathalie romel
erika bella......

GetCool
Member

94 Posts
1/03
Posted - Nov 4 2003 : 8:53PM
Personally, simulated rape scenes disgust me. I understand that they are fake and all, but to me, a porn scene is not worth watching unless the woman seems to be enjoying herself.
shameless
Deactivated User

Moscow
1313 Posts
1/03
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 12:01PM
They disgust me as well, but the fake-rape concept (as I always understood it) is based exactly on that phantasy that first a girl gets pushed around by faked rapist(s), but than soon she does actually enjoy her treatment.

But the puritan climate in the USA does, it seems, absolutely not allow even this kind of role play amongst consenting professional adults. I write this after having gotten already the umpth letter of an US-porn cameraperson thanking me for my proposition to film that line for S&S Mocow Video Production but telling me he really cannot do it because it depicts fake forced sex to a certain extent. And this in the eye of the widely known fact that rape phantasies are common amongst women and men alike!
I think there must be a really very strong and repressiv PC-lobby in the US having power even inside the most openminded parts of society, even amongst the sexually most tolerant. I was really not aware of that, which reminds me more of Stalinism than freedom of speech and such ideals!

I have not contacted Max Hardcore yet, but consider doing it probabely now. Looks like a devils pact, but I still dream about a good Western professional filming that line for us. Also because I want to export it there afterwards of course, too.

Fumetto
Member

Europe
164 Posts
5/03
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 4:05PM

I ve found a good site to this theme
http://www.conradson.com
it contains a lot of sex and crime a little bit like salieri
and they have beautiful girls like
dora venter
shameless
Deactivated User

Moscow
1313 Posts
1/03
Posted - Mar 12 2004 : 2:56PM
I cannot believe what a stir up I have created anouncing the shooting of our first fake-rape scene in Moscow! A tread closed after just 20 1/2 hours and 7 posts, than re-opened somehow to attract 72 more posts in the next 50 hours, just to be closed again!

closed tread in question

Thus, I cannot answer any questions, which is maybe good, because I am forbidden to make any more anouncments about scenes we shoot in the press-releaase section, it seems. But thanks to Renee, I found this old tread of mine, dealing with a similar subject. And if I dont include a link to my website, its no promotion, I hope:

Just let me say, I cannot express the degree of hypocrisy I read in some posts. I tought it was clear enough that I was talking about clearly marked film, depicting a fake -rape scenario agreed upon by mature adults, staged and played by mature adults for money.

I started producing this stuff, because I strongly believe in the freedom to express phantasies. And rape-fantasies are wide-spread amongst women and men. I also started producing this material because there is a huge market for this in Russia and ex-USSR-countries, a market that is filled up to now by dubious producers, often (as I suspect), actually raping the girls they show. (I have watched such example shot by soldiers in Chechnia or South-Russia).

Whoever knows my previous posts does know how much I care for my models, how much I do like my girls, even if I also do make my living renting them to other porn producers or (recently) shooting my own porn with them.
So what is wrong with paying our model Sophia 1000$ for 8 hours of porn shooting on March 8th? Sophia (21) is into heavy anal, DAP and fisting. At the same time she looks too cute to even think she would enjoy rough sex. She herself suggested letting her play in our fake-rape line. By dressing her up in a mini-skirt and fence fishnets we played with male phantasies, sure. Scientifically wrong male phantasies. I know that women do not ask to be raped in reality! Not by their dress. Never, anyway! But this male phantasy sells. And its more fun to watch a sexily dressed girl.
And she enjoys it, because Sophia does enjoy rough sex. Because I dont want to make torture films. Because its just a clearly marked rape-phantasy.

If you are lucky, we will not find an US-distributor. Russian market is big enough for this kind of films anyway. Just let me tell, that I got more than a dotzen inquiries from West about renting girls doing fake-rape stuff.

(no included signature, for anti-promotion reasons)

MLyons
Senior Member

1617 Posts
8/02
Posted - Mar 12 2004 : 3:08PM
Shameless...

I don't know what to say anymore.

Enough. Not only has this has been discussed to the point of most people's exhaustion, but whether or not you include a link you're still just defending and promoting your "product".

ADT certainly serves a purpose for promotion, but this is getting rediculous.

Call it what you will--hypocritical, unfair, or simply that some (many...? most...?) of us (including Steph) are just tired of hearing about it. I don't care. You're not wriggling your way out anymore.

I'm probably going to be unpoular in some circles for closing this thread, but so be it.

Edited by - MLyons on 3/12/2004 3:09:36 PM




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