^Quite true but I didn't consider the males because it's fairly common for the male performers to speak a passable English. At least it is in many of the scenes I've watched over the years. Possibly because many of them worked in America. I don't know if you are aware but it would seem that Gina is a very smart girl when it comes to languages. She did an interview with Pierre Woodman not that long ago and she let it slip that she now spoke French. I'm not talking a passable French but a very impressive French. Pierre almost fell out of his chair when he heard her because she more or less learned it in just a few months.
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Posted - Dec 30 2014 : 8:21AM
If this was true I must have been one the wrong planet for over decade.
Thanks, Poptop, for bringing back this 8-year old(!) thread from the dead. If the likes of GGG and Puta Locura came with nasty English dialogue that'd be all the porn I'd ever need. That's the one thing that lets them down. Best English-speaking examples are Brandon Iron's incomparable 'Good Source of Iron' and 'Baker's Dozen' series' (and the websites covermyface.com and spermcocktail.com). 90 percent of American Bukkake was dreck but there are some scenes (Hillary Scott & Miss Meadow in AB 29) that just blow my balls into outer space. They're the exceptions that prove the rule.
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Posted - Jan 1 2015 : 1:04AM
A good way to self-test the validity of your theory would be to watch a handful of those performers in more "pleasant" scenes. If they speak during the sex in those scenes, then you may be on to something.
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Posted - Jan 1 2015 : 2:08AM
#mostlyboringcrapsince2007 Long hashtag but not a lie.
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Posted - Jan 1 2015 : 2:17AM
^ always in the eye of the beholder and every person had a different view whats hot or not.
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Posted - Jan 1 2015 : 10:02AM
I agreee completely!
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Posted - Jan 1 2015 : 10:07AM
I miss the way Private had a lot of DPs in their videos, and the girls always beautiful, Jane Darling, Monica Sweetheart, Sarah Blue-all totally hotties,but keep in mind I'm sure the Euro porn we get here is cream of the crop, the best they have to offer. I just like my girls natural and clean looking in a way that you think, "I'd like to take this girl out and then fuck her silly" and euro girls seem to fit this look more.
True but you'll have to give me the name of those sites where those girls can do a nice gentle scene because Eastern European porn is gonzo, gonzo and more gonzo. That and it's not the gentle kind of gonzo so any girl that might even be tempted to utter a few words would find it really hard when she is having a dick shoved down her throat or a dick shoved so fast and hard in her vagina or ass that it's gapes wider than it should. Couple that with the slapping and you have girls that can't speak because it's humanly impossible for them.
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Posted - Jan 1 2015 : 3:12PM
I really don't think that European is better than American porn or vice versa. You can't even distinguish clearly one of another, since there are many many European actors, actresses and directors that perform for American Companies and many European Companies which invested in the American market. However there are some facts that you have to admit are true. If there is one adult "school" that exists in the country of U.S, there are many many different "schools" that act in the European region. And that is logical. United States is a country while Europe is a continent, consisted of many many different countries. So there is the French adult school, the British, the Italian, the German, the Russian, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Scandinavian and other smaller schools coming from countries like Hungary, Portugal, Switzerland even Greece. All of these European schools are different and most of them have various representatives. So there are many different pornographic styles suitable for every taste. Likewise there are a lot more beautiful feminine starlets to chose from. It is very difficult to put tags to European porn because there is not a single adult company which clearly represents the whole Europe.
There are also many popular beliefs about European adult film making that are not true. For example, there are many adult spectators who believe that German porn is all about kinky extreme acts, like pissing, fisting etc.. Of course there were companies in the past who portrayed such acts in their titles but there are also many others which are relatively "conservative" in their sexual content. Another belief that many adult spectators have is, that Russians starlets are playing only in extremely hardcore scenes with multiple male partners where they are getting abused and humiliated. Yes there are companies who paid them to do extreme stuff but there are also many others who hire them to perform in very erotic pairings, flood with sensuality, passion and wonderful photography. On the other hand if you take individual each country's pornographic statistics U.S clearly holds the crown with vast difference from the second. There is also another element which I consider very important and damn it is not easy to find in Europe. I don't know if it is because of the language or other factors like the atmosphere in the studio, the overall experience in the industry etc.. but I get the impression about the existence of an unofficial school where the adult actors learn how to perform. I am not sure if that applies for certain directors who work in certain companies (since the american adult companies have significantly decreased the last years) or for all the american industry but usually when a female starlet or a male talent that decides to cross the Atlantic she or he changes completely her/his sexual attitude in the better. Of course there are some European exceptions but I don't know folks that is my general impression. Furthermore there are many other countries who produce porn like Brasil, Argentina, Japan and Australia and believe me some of their products are quite notable. Finally I can not make this comparison because it is like comparing foods. It is like trying to compare american hamburger with Italian spaghetti. German sausages with French cuisine or Mexican Tacos with Japanese Sushi. Its up to the individual spectator to choose his sexual preference and taste. Some of them prefer the one plate more than the others. However there are many recipes globalwide to chose from. MY ADVICE. Don't hesitate. Search the internet and you will find more tastes, some of them might surprise you pleasantly.
^ The best of all though is Japanese porn, they do EVERYTHING including lots of thing that I find disturbing and some other really disgusting, it is quite enjoyable if you don-t care about their blurred movies, I don-t care so I like it, plus there are quite a few companies who shoot uncensored flicks out of Japan with Japanese stars> Caribbean, Heyzo,Jgirl and many others.There are a couple example easy to find all involving Gina in Rocco Psycho Teens 6 she does a scene with Ian Scott and another starlet Ian begins to make jokes in French and she replied , he seemed surprised and questioned her she continued speaking French , during the scene she dirty talks in either French and English She did a scene with 6 guys playing Santas it was an all anal gang bang and she directed the guys in English and some Russian , but they clearly did not understand English , at one point one of them went for her pussy , she made a blissful expression and said something like : yes , in my pussy too continue I'm almost there . , but the guy pullled out instead masturbate a little an came on her belly, she was disappointed and in awe , couldn't believe what he just did, then said: yes, cum on my belly and continued the scene In the scene she did for Reality King playing a model she got gangbanged by three guys they said something in English at least one of them seemed to understand but she kept talking mixing Russian and English she wanted to make sure they guys would do what they were supposed to do
^I rarely if ever use Japanese porn as an example for anything because in many ways it exist in it's own microcosm. I don't know how else to describe it. We are talking about a Country of over 120 millions people who some say produces more porn than any other Country in the world and yet still uses a law that is nearly 150 years old when it comes to the censoring of genitalia on screen but has no problem in creating, promoting and showing what amounts to child pornography. In fact owning child pornography has only been illegal in Japan since June 2014.
^ Of course I'm not talking about such productions I put the word "disturbing" for a reason, I'm talking about regular porn , you know those things called Doggy style, Missionary , titfuck blowjobs and so on among CONSENTING ADULTS , Their outfits, scenarios and average scripts are way better than European or American porn can dream of , only the biggest companies may do something similar, but with them that-s average, very common, I don't know how many movies they produce per week but they seem to be in the dozens Edited by - LCF on 1/1/2015 5:16:39 PM
^I think the reason why they can do all those things in Japanese porn is because there is no competition. No one in the rest of the world is going to make mosaic porn for the Japanese market and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that those that might foolishly think of doing it might get a visit from the Yakuza.
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Posted - Jan 2 2015 : 11:15AM
^ Well once you mention Japanese porn, producing thousand of videos with blur digitized picture in the money spots in order to keep track of the censoring formalities of the law is also for me the most stupid thing I have ever witnessed in the history of pornography. Furthermore there are many hentai comics that promote in their stories child pornography, extreme sadistic and misogynistic behavior (women pictured to be amputated and tortured) and disgusting acts (scat...). All these magazines are very disturbing and by any mean are very strongly condemned by me. However we cannot downgrade the entire Japanese adult industry because of the above. There are also many Japanese companies that produce uncensored content of all kind. And yes there are some very pretty Japanese ladies with notable bodily figures which play in them. I have to admit that I too find lots of their scripts quite stimulating. So, I wouldn't underestimate an adult industry which is still quite boomed.
^We may all think that censoring of genitalia is stupid but it is ingrained in the Japanese culture and therefore not something that can easily be changed and if it ever does than it will take a long time. Although you are correct that there are more Japanese studios now doing uncensored porn for the Non-Japanese market. Uncensored porn is still illegal and taboo in Japan and therefore most studios prefer not to do it. That and most of the Japanese performers don't want to because it could make them pariah to the lucrative Japanese porn market. I think the more extreme types of porn made in japan is just a response to the strictures imposed on their pornography in general. I'm really curious to see if they would tone down some of their more extreme stuff if the porn producers were allowed to show genitalia. I mean have you ever seen some of their sex dolls?
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Posted - Jan 2 2015 : 11:55AM
I could walk a desert to claim that this is bullshit. US rock, Japanese? Well, that sucks.
The Japanese fulfill fantasies , oK they produce a lot of crap , but also an awful lot of good things , For example the Doctor/nurse fantasies , their dovtor or nurse are geared as doctors and nurses not the Porn-doctor/porn-nurse we see in western porn same for policemen or anything else. I saw a movie with some female Volley players who were fucked in some of their playing positions , it was kinda hot. There are some girls going around on a bycicle who has a dildo coiming in and out a hole in the saddle and of course the girl gets fucked while running throughout the streets on that bike , the faster she goes the faster she get pounded , and there was a camera right in position to see that dildo working. Or either in public a girl with a dildo shaped as an egg in her possy sometimes two with a vibrating engine in them controlled by remote by someone else , which may or may not turn them on ,and he does in the most embrassing moments such as at a supermarket counter or on a full bus or down the streets while crossing a road. Or people fucking in some mixed baths These aren't nasty things, just fantasies
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Posted - Jan 2 2015 : 12:16PM
If you've see five DVDs and all are a f a i l u r e and they're from Japan and you read a few reviews where the reviewer says it sucks because of creepiness all along I just say the odds will not be interesting for further consideration. It will just be semantics to go there.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 3 2015 : 4:32AM
Similar to scat in German porn I think that it is North Americans who obsess on the most extreme and strange porn produced in Japan. The vast majority of it is as boring and mediocre as the worst of American and European porn. I've always found most Europorn cold and uninvolving. There's a lot of overacting in US porn but most Europorn seems joyless to me.
^I don't know if I would classify all European porn as being cold. I think this can often be said of Eastern European or at least the vast majority of what gets done in Eastern Europe but the same can't be said of Italian, German, British or French porn. It may not necessarily be the type of porn we might enjoy(I do quite a lot of it) but it's definitely not cold. I have a few theories as to why Eastern European porn is cold(or at least looks cold) but they are just that so I won't bother saying what they are. They aren't necessary for this thread anyway.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Jan 3 2015 : 2:28PM
Obviously I'm making a very broad generalization but the exceptions are few and far between for me. Viv Thomas' work is often better. One thing I also find is that in Europorn the girls don't smile or laugh or even talk much plus there is no where near the variety of body types and looks as you get in US porn. Liza Del Sierra mentioned in one of her videos for Mason that in Europe she was called 'fat Liza' and told to lose weight. They seem obsessed with a pseudo-mainstream model look there. Even back in the days of the classics although the women were gorgeous the male performers and temperature of the scenes left a lot to be desired. Only Lasse Braun's films seemed to capture that free love feel you saw in US porn in that era. I love Eurogirls like Annette Schwarz, Liza Del Sierra and Valentina Nappi but much prefer the work they've done in the US for the reasons laid out above. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/3/2015 2:32:51 PM
^I think that todays Euro porn girl is the way you describe her largely because most of the performers come from Eastern Europe. I could be wrong but I suspect that the body type of young women in Eastern Europe tends to be on the petite slim rather than the more common look in other regions of Europe. You certainly couldn't have said that the European performers were thin a decade or more ago because you had a huge amount of European performers from other Countries. I can think of a dozen or more performers from different countries that had a well rounded body and would never be called thin. I agree that there are very few smiles on Eastern European performers but so much of what they have to do is the more extreme type of porn that I truly don't think they are good enough actors at 18 and 9 to look like they are enjoying themselves. Some of our gonzo porn can be quite challenging but most of the Eastern European is a fucking marathon. I'm sometime just glad to see the end of the scene because that poor girl has to go home with a gape in her as big enough to shove a melon in or a vagina that will be sore for the next week. I know I'm exaggerating but the question is it a lot. These days you don't exactly have many studios to shoot for in Eastern Europe so if you don't want to do certain things on screen than you may very well not get hired by anyone.
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Posted - Jan 3 2015 : 9:38PM
Folks with all due respect but I don't think there is any standard body limit in Eastern European pornography. Girls like Cathy Heaven, Lucy Wild or Marina Visconti (only some example of names) are not considered slim. I think it is just a matter of possibilities. For many irrelevant with the topic reasons most of the girls in those countries are less fat than in others. That's all. I have been to ex Soviet Block countries and I witnessed myself. As for Liza del Sierra allegations. I have no reasons to contradict her. if some directors prefer specific body types... they do it for their own personal reasons. (IMHO the directors who exclude beautiful juicy girls like Liza do a huge mistake. Porn is not a fashion show.) However what I have seen coming from amateur French and German sites I spot everyday is not exactly ... slim. On the contrary. PS. I absolutely adore girls with body types like Valentina Nappi and Liza del Sierra (only watching at their bodies can cause me a huge boner plus these body types I seek in the entire adult industry) not to mention spirited sexual performers like Annette Schwartz.
When we talk about Euro porn, are we including the UK in that? I challenge anyone to watch a Ben Dover, Rob Stone, Phil Barry (to name a few off the top of my head) flick and call it 'cold'.
I wasn't implying that there is. In fact I could easily name a dozen performers that have amazing bodies and would never be called slim or petite but most if not all of them aren't active anymore and some of them haven't been in many years. My point was that most of the active performers right now tend to mostly fall under the category of slim and petite with a few exceptions. I always say that variety is the spice of life and I apply that motto to the performers I watch and that's why I lament the disappearance of a more balanced choice of body types in performers.
The problem with all of those directors is that they aren't active anymore and haven't been for many years. Who is still shooting porn in the UK right now and where can we see their work? I was a huge Ben Dover fan and eagerly awaited his new release but he stopped producing porn a long time ago and I'm not aware of anyone who took over when he left the industry.
^ Good point. I didn't realise we were talking 'currently producing'. He's no spring chicken anymore but doesn't Ben Dover still put out the occasional flick on the Bluebird label? Speaking of Bluebird, I assume Paul Chaplin is still active?
Bluebird had really beautifull girls and I loved the outfits but the action was always boring. Lesbians did not lick eachtoher like they liked it. Girls looking bored and waiting for the paycheck or moaning too much during fucking. And there was that Indian bloke appearing in all the movies. Bluebird could have been great but they didn't read the feedback on this forum. Edited by - tintintin on 1/5/2015 11:44:43 AM
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Posted - Jan 6 2015 : 10:31AM
i simply think european porn is more creative than american porn. in europe, you will see stand alone storylines and IMHO the sex is better. whereas here in america you've got porn parodies and gonzo films. now i don't got no problems with the gonzo films as it's just straight up sex. but the porn parodies are so predictible, either one on one sex or two women and one guy and if it is two guys and one woman, where's the DP??? (i know that's a personal preference, but i'm grouchy when i don't get no DP.) i wanted to see "serra paylin" get dped by sascha and mick blue, but that's another rant for another subject. plus, i know it's porn, but the fake laugh tracks and cheesy acting really don't do it for me. at least when somebody like sarah louise young did a porn parody of shakespere or when vicca was in that porn parody of snow white and the seven dwarfs, it was hot. i'll watch american porn when it's just straight up sex, but if you want storylines, you either go to the golden age of american porn or watch european porn.
I find European porn to be nastier and i like that a lot.LegalPorno has totally consumed me.I mean pissing and cum swallowing in the same scene!!! I feel many American girls are too restrained and in Europe even the prettiest girls seem so nasty!Nasty Slutty and Pretty!! European porn blends all 3 for me.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Jan 18 2015 : 12:28PM
^Agreed. In the last month or two I've become a Legal Porno obsessive. I've already cancelled a few other subscriptions because I just can't see myself watching a scene from one of those websites when I could watch a scene from Legal Porno instead.
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Posted - Jan 18 2015 : 3:35PM
how's the interracial genre doing there involving european white female and black men? my friend say they are headed toward a new era where we might see an expansion of it. im looking to buy some good black on white european female interracial porn. any recommendations?
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Posted - Jan 18 2015 : 6:15PM
black pipe layers lol
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Liberté, Egalité, Sexualité! 355 Posts 9/14
Posted - Jan 18 2015 : 7:14PM
and Gangland
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Posted - Jan 18 2015 : 9:40PM
i agree with lucy, i quite like the gangland series. i liked jackie moore's scene in gangland 43 (it's timeless) and i liked alysa gap's scene in gangland 72, i think that scene is one of the best scenes ever, love how she takes double anal and is gaped and anal creampied. makes me cum bucket loads everytime.
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Posted - Jan 18 2015 : 10:56PM
lucy, I amsurprised no one has tried to do another ir gangbang series since slayer in Europe? euro girls seem fine with black men and the fans seem to love it.
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Posted - Jan 19 2015 : 5:52AM
IMHO, Black Pipe Layers was the only American directed series with American male talent that dares to compare with the pattern of LegalPorno, (mini gang bangs, huge dicks, no excessive roughness, DP position and angle variety - some versions were so awesome and rear that even now almost 10 years after, no director managed to successfully create again) and we are talking about many years ago. Plus, I would dare to state that some of the scenes were even erotic, since there were many kisses and caresses, but not all. Though it was not the first time that has been done, it looked like an American pornographic invasion in Europe. It has been done again in the past (Anabolic, Buttman and others) I honestly believe that this is a move that many American companies and directors should do. It is not easy, I understand, the expenses of transportation and accommodation are significant, but I really think that if they manage to find a smart solution with these problems, there is a huge sexy female repository that awaits here, ready for great shows. In the same spirit it would be great to see for example American starlets playing in European scenes. Bobbi Starr, Dana de Armand and a couple others made the step already. I hope we see more. Imagine Adriana Chechik, Kagney Lin Karter, Jada Stevens, Veronica Avluv and other girls in a LegalPorno scene (I am talking about American girls who are able to take the extreme pounding of course). It would be an interesting match. Marc Dorcel, Harmony and Private though seem more "logical" option. PS. Gangland (incl. Gangland Creampie) must be one of the longest series in the history of porn. However it was not uniformly directed. The videos of the series that Lucy is referring to, are just a few from this series and have the same pattern and even the same male talent with Sineplex ones (in this video none was American except the owner company).