or should I say, Why do I (and so many of my bretheren) find girl-girl sex so fucking dull? Surely this topic has been covered ad nauseum but in the 2 or 3 months I've been lurking here, I've seen no discussion.
I just watched part of 'Belladonna's My Ass is Haunted' and my thumb was on the FF button through most of it. Doesn't matter how hot the girls or how nasty the sex - It's like watching paint dry. I know I'm not alone on this. My impression is that the big stars who stop fucking guys on screen stop being talked about. So I guess what I'm wondering is why...? misogyny? latent gayness? Wtf? Give me your ideas.
Most of the time he girls aren't properly into each other. Personally i though Belladonna's MAIH was an exception. I have a problem with their being now natural end to a girl/girl scene- like a cumshot.
I was refering to Tinaka's problem with the ending of g/g scenes. Preferably, both girls should get off for the grand finale. Hopefully, that won't be their only orgasms either.
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Posted - Apr 28 2005 : 8:52PM
I like them, when the girls appear to be into it and like it.
Our last girl girl movie we did, No Cocks Allowed, I worked really hard on finding girls who would click well and be comfortable enough to take eachother, and themselves to that point of eroticity, so let me know if it works when you see it:)I know it was fun to shoot because most of these girls were playing with eachother on and off camera, it was great!
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Posted - Apr 28 2005 : 9:04PM
I've worked pretty damn hard sometimes to get that "sigh and a amile" in my ladies. Guess that's one reason I don't mind watching it.
Well I say if you want to cure you're g/g itch just pop in a Viv Thomas dvd and if you are into gorgoeous girls licking pussy, kissin, and sucking tits then he's your Doctor with the cure!! Oh yeah Tiana's g/g stuff is hot too when you add in the squirting. I'm just not a big toy man so any scenes without them are the ones I gravitate more towards but there are exceptions.
G/g porn is boring because most of the time , the actresses are not into each other. The kissing rarely looks genuine because they do the tongue wagging nonsense. There is never enough prolonged deep kissing and , when there is , the camera is often not on it. Often , the kissing is edited out so that we can so more "dildo plunging". There is way too much reliance on toys in g/g videos , these days. What ever happened to pussy licking , tit licking , ass licking , pussy grinding , fingering with kissing at the same time, etc. ? All these realistic acts have been removed in favor of toy insertion with limited contact and chemistry between the actresses. There are many actresses out there who are not afraid to get more intimate with each other. Belladonna's videos have lots of chemistry and intensity. She knows how to get the best out of her actresses . I only wish that there was just a little more focus on prolonged kissing and body contact. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of toy action but it shouldn't dominate a lesbian video. Check out "lick between the lines" by Jewel. No toys and it's one of the better lesbian titles out there. BonoOne is right about Viv Thomas videos. They are really hot because he concentrates on the chemistry and sex rather than constant dildo slamming a la B. Foster.. !!
I love filming g/g. I think I have filmed more g/g scenes than just about anyone at this point and I aren't slowing down anytime soon! :-)
I try to match up girls who will look good together and hopefully have some chemistry together. According to my lesbian acquaintence Jen, there are some good examples of that passion with some cute newcummers in Lesbian Teenyboppers 2, coming on VHS and DVD May 16th.
Nice to hear from you Jim. I know I'll be looking for that, you have shot some nice g/g stuff in the past, still patiently waiting for French Kiss 02!!
I just shot "no mans land interracial" for videoteam with Jade Fire, Carmen and Avy Lee Roth and it was smokin' hot. One of my best scenes and no orgasm was fake...
I'm only into solo and girl-girl so I don't find it boring. I'll admit, I'm so into gyno shots I do fast forward through the kissing and pulling off the clothes if it seems too prolonged. I don't like much tease and like to see the graphic stuff as that is what really turns me on. If I am able to see the actresses interact in a sexy manner (either sensual or nasty -- both have their charms), I consider it a bonus, but I'm mostly about seeing the actress penetrated and hopefully pulled open to feed my gyno-fetish. Viv Thomas stuff while it has oh-so beautiful women and is lavishly shot, is a bit too glam for me with not enough nasty and open gyno stuff -- I know this is not normal compared to most others on this board but everybody seems to have their kinks.
Hey Katja, I look forward to your "No Man's Interracial" scene -- I'm really a fan of your girl-girl scenes (loved the Cousin Stevie Pussy Party you did and also your Belladonna My Ass is Haunted scene) and your co-stars for your scene are good ones -- especially Avy Lee. Can't wait!
Tiana, once I saw you were in the cast of "No Cocks Allowed", I put it on my list -- should be arriving soon and I can't wait to see it. That's really neat that you had a hand in casting it and got girls who are into each other -- cast list is very impressive. Hope there is a good behind the scenes so I can see how the actresses interact. It is inside info like this that makes vids all the more interesting and enjoyable -- gets me thinking about more than just the sex and body parts. Thanks so much.
Because when Bruce 7 died, so did this genre. no one really has directed a g/g scene like he used to, i don't know why someone does not step up to the plate. I'm tired of this pussy licking artsy shit they call g/g films now. bring back the spanking and ass plays.
While I too have never been much into g/g, a few weeks ago, I picked up a new title from Sineplex. P.O.V. <iSINEvision</i While dildos, especially hard plastic ones, offer little visual stimulus, regardless of color, in SINEvision, I was very surprised with the effect a firm, slender tongue of a brazen nyphet can have, drilling it fearlessly into the pliable butthole of another.
The key word being "fearlessly", it's the unexpected plunging, that generates the shock value, especially when it's from the mouth, of an otherwise modest, attentive, and fiery Russian Devushka.
That's the problem with girl girl, it should be the other way around. "find two girls that have chemistry and hopefully they look good together."
For me, in general, it's easier to pick out the fakers in girl-girl scenes.
---------------------- I should add that to find two women that are into each other is easier said than done. My comment above may be interpreted by JimGunn as more harsh towards him than I intended. My appologies if you were offended.
I only watch g/g porn (b/g porn always seemed like baseball to me, fun to do but not too fun to watch)(for whatever reason)
but I think good stuff is out there, Viv Thomas of course is the man! Quasar's movies tend to be very good as well (not as good as Thomas' but still pretty good) and that's the softer stuff, many a decent director doing harder girl on girl stuff these days (especially Bella)(not so especially, but ocassionally good, Britney)
Personally, I enjoy seeing girls shoving things into themselves and into other girls. No "money shot" does leave you feeling like something is missing at the end, but I think it still makes for great movies when the girls are into each other!
Part of the problem is that a lot of women in the straight porn industry are "gay for pay", much like many of the guys in the gay porn industry. You can't disguise the boredom and indifference.
...and more times than not the "big O ending" comes off as forced.
As was mentioned earlier...no matter how hot the girls are, if there is no chemistry...the scene will be a disappointment...she might as well be doing solo.
Yes i notice that with some, but we specifically in our interview ask about their first girl girl experience, and how they liked it, what they like about it, how they would do it over, and we shoot it and pair them up with a girl of choice. Most of the girls actually usually have girlfriends in their personal life so it is a plus.
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Because G/G isn't fantasy to me. For that, all I'd have to do is take a break and watch my girl go at it with a 'friend'. And it sure as hell would suck if I were stranded on some island where I couldn't participate.
I guess that's why I'm into extreme stuff. Most of what I see on video I do anyway, with the exception of 4-somes/gangbangs and massive cum play. The fantasy for me is to watch stuff I haven't done.
It's hetero porn, so a g/g scene should be a prelude to a good dicking. The only watcheable g/g scenes for me are the ones where girls snowball, or lick cum of each other's faces.
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Posted - Apr 29 2005 : 9:22PM
G/g (especially quality g/g) is boring because there's no surprise about it, it was fucking hot yesterday, is fucking hot today, will be fucking hot tomorrow... always fucking hot, no variety, I already know beforehands it will make my cock rock hard and I'll have to jerk off big time, yawn.
Still there are some problems that keep boredom from being complete:
I couldn't agree more. This would make the scenes even hotter and keep them on the same boring top quality level. That's very dangerous for once you reach top notch, wood never leaves your crotch.Though it's g/g scenes that include baseball bats... but as you said, fun to do but not too fun to watch.
KingClutch, sorry for being a bit mean in this post. No offence intended, it's what can happen when I want to be honest and faithful to the original question at the same time.
Depends on who's doing it. If the girls are pretty and seem to enjoy each other there's nothing quite like it, but when it's obviously stage-managed g/g is much more boring than a mechanical b/g. Also there isn't enough kissing; sometimes the girls get straight to the hardcore stuff without building up the atmosphere.
Yes, i also love lesbians, especially if the girls have big butts and it also must have strap-on sex scenes in it. When it comes to strap-on sex scene - i normally watch the strapon sex scene becuase of the girl who is wearing the strap-on dildo. I find it very erotic for the camera shots to be a "rear end" camera shots on the girl's ass during the strap-on sex scene.
I agree, way too much toy action. It would be better if there was more real contact. You can be dirty w out having to use crazy toys. Its like they are building a house -- it's just too busy! Though, the main reason I dont watch g/g is b/c I really will always just love that first second a guy goes in the girl and of course the cum shot. I can take girls if there is a guy there only. I love looking at solo stills of Belladonna, Jesse Jane, etc., but when I do video I need the d**k !
I think whats been reinforced by this thread is that there are basically many different "sub-genres" of g/g flicks. There are some who want to see "real" sex between women, some who want to see nasty hardcore stuff involving multiple toys and strap-ons and buttplugs and dildoed ATM, and some who want to see something similar only without dildo action of any kind.
Some love seeing women suck on dildoes and strap-ons, others think it's ridiculous. It's all different strokes and a lot of different variations but it seems that a lot of people (both consumers and producers) don't seem to notice.
Pretty much the only universal thing I see is that people want to see "real" kissing, deep kissing between women and not the tongue swordfighting we usually see. The thing about that is I'm sure that not all performers will be willing to do that with other performers they might have only just met.. (yes, I KNOW, don't point out the irony. We all know how people see different things as having different levels of intimacy attatched to them, and "real" kissing is one of them).
Scipio, I think that you hit the nail on the head with your post. I am sure that you are right when you say that many women might be reluctant to deep kissing because of the "intimacy" factor or due to the fact that they don't know each other. The thing is , very often the girls are kissing with realism and intensity but it's either cut out of the scene , shortened by editing,kept to a minimum due to direction, or the camera operator is moving away from it too quickly in favor of filming something else.
Check out a Belladonna video , for example. The kissing is often really incredible but it is too brief because of the reasons I mentioned.
I must say i get turned off when there's alot of toy using in girl-girl scenes/lesbian flicks.The best part about lesbos to me is them being down for some kissing fingering and damn deep pussy eating.I have seen scenes with black lesbos and love hering that huge wet slurping sound of mouth on pussy action that makes it hot and helps me sleep at night.There needs to be alot less use of toys and more pussy eating:).
The Buttslammers serie which were directed by Bruce Seven were a lot better than most boy/girl movies at that time. It had a lot more heat that's for sure. I still believe the girl/girl genre died with Bruce Seven. Nobody could shoot girl/girl scenes better than Bruce Seven.
that´s true but is a problem of direction and production too. I´ve seen girls doing horrible g/g scenes, but doing their best with a director like Viv Thomas (Silvia Saint, for example) I think 99% of g/g porn is not appropiately done. There´s no real effort by directors and producers to do nice g/g scenes
OK, most girls are straight, but there are many lame straight scenes and many lame female performers and it doesn´t mean they don´t like men. Porn is not real life.
i think it depends on who the girls are. im not into all girl scenes at all but there is one that i really like and one that I would love to see. The orgy from last girl standing is really hot. I'd love to see kira kener, mercedez, and sunrise adams together.
Maybe if all the girl/girl scenes ended with someone squirting a travel sized bottle of Jergen's all over the face of one of the girls, then you'd like it better.
It's sad that I've only done a few scenes with other girls where we actually had fun doing it and no one had to fake. Lilly Thai (in the opening of Art School) and I and when I worked with Julie Night (that Erotica Boxing thing that'll prolly never see the light of day) were great scenes. Alot of times I blame the camera guy, not always, but alot. The other girl and I will be getting pretty close to an actual climax and the guy with the camera says "That's enough of that, do something else. Here, have a dildo." I like doing g/g scenes becasue I actually like to eat pussy (no carbs and fat free!) but the guy with the camera isn't worried about the girls enjoying it, or the viewer enjoying it, he wants enough footage to sell to a distributor. The other half of htetime I get to really fuck a girl silly with my tongue and then when it's her turn to reciprocate iget a 10 second tonguing and a "There, I licked it. Where's my check?" It's kind of sad. :( But then I suppose that's why I have a website, that way I can fuck girls as hard as I want to, she fucks back, we both enjoy it and the camera man is extraneous. :D K
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