The woman stops, and lets the guy jerk off over her to finish? Why doesn't the woman use her own hands? Surely most women in porn who do this would be experienced enough to control where the load goes? Is this some kind of industry preference?
Let us assume that you, mister porn stud, find the woman you're performing sexual acrobatics with attractive, maybe even very attractive. Well, guess what. You can't just enjoy yourself and let go, because you have to perform for the director. You are inhibited from your normal sexual responses by the situation. The reason you see so many guys jerk themselves off is because, in order to lose that inhibition, they have to mentally retreat into their own heads. [typo] Edited by - hardware on 11/6/2012 10:21:23 AM
Wow, are you pickin' on the wrong guy, GMfan... An auspicious debut to your tenure here at ADT. Hardware's post was not meant in the way you apparently took it. I know because I know hardware--a ten year veteren of the board who I've met in person, who's put in his time as a moderator in the past, and is by all rights one of the most respected people at ADT both by its members and owners. All I'm sayin' is--chill. Hardware was just trying to answer the question you raised (a question, by the way, that's been discussed about a billion times over the years). He wasn't attacking you. You're a little touchy for being the new guy... :)
Great to see you posting, MLyons! And, GMfan, I would appreciate knowing exactly why you thought I was being 'passive-aggressive' in my previous post. Was it using the literary device of putting you in the porn performer's shoes?
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Posted - Nov 6 2012 : 3:22PM
I don't care if it's the guy or girl who does the jerking, I just want to see some facials
Hardware--nice to see you too. :) ladnur--Yah... I don't much care either. I tell ya... My ideal porn these days could be distilled into two elements: Great tease (with the whole makeup thing, stripping, masturbating with a dildo, and even dancing if I can find it, but that's damn rare) followed immediately by three or four facials in a row. Not more than that cuz after a certain point, it gets to be too much. I don't need any of that bothersome sex and penetration in the middle (although just a sprinkling of reverse cowgirl is rarely frowned upon) and I REALLY don't need whatever is passing for blowjobs in porn these days, and for the love of God, I don't need any scene to last longer than 15 minutes. I've got stuff to do! It would be like a cross between a Johni Darkko tease sequence, a Nubiles.net masturbation scene(AWESOME site, BTW) and... I don't know the last couple minutes of any Cum Glazed scene (but preferrably with the Nubiles girls...). Obviously this doesn't exist... but then again I don't watch much porn these days anyway. As for the girl extracting the cum... it's nice when it happens, but meh... I'm the poster child of porn consumers who aren't able to always have what we want. Like everyone else, I make do. Edited by - MLyons on 11/6/2012 4:41:02 PM
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Posted - Nov 7 2012 : 1:40AM
Are you guys done swapping spit in the shower? The reason is simple: the guys are jacked up on Viagra and it reduces a lot of sensation, plus they have to be professional and keep it up til the footage is obtained. During that time, they go onto autopilot and subsequently the only way they are then able to cum is by pencil sharpening.
Two other possible reasons: 1) better aim when the guy is doing it because he knows when the each shot it coming out 2) too many girls stop stroking with the first pop and it reduces the intensity of the following pops (more like to drop down to her tits rather than hit her face).
as a shooter you can never fully trust ANY starlet to guide the load into her face(or mouth for swallow scenes for that matter), and then you have an irreversible xxx disaster,..even the super pros will flinch or pull the guys pork too far too one side or the other, and if it's YOUR $$$ on the spot then feel free to let every chick in/on your release have at,..because Im not. this is porno, not some after MNF party where some ex-gf gets wasted and wants to grudge blowbang all of her ex's buddies,.. anyways, Hardware had it right as well..so hope this helps you w/further facial viewings.. lates, Von S.
^ Agreed! And I think that's the real reason why the dudes do it. So the female doesn't ruin the directors scene. I can't blame them. Edit: Typo Edited by - thedude008 on 11/18/2012 7:24:41 AM
I liked the way porn starlets of the past would rub it all over their face as Mr. Stud was cumming. Never see that anymore. I also hate no PCH. Cum on the face, the guy gets out of the way quickly, and the girl looks at the camera and plays with cum on her face is a straight bore for me. I avoid a RLD because that's how shoot () the cum shots.
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Posted - Nov 17 2012 : 1:41PM
I guess it has to do with the fact that we (guys) like to stay in control of things. If this hot girl has got you all worked up, and you know exactly the moves and timing needed for blasting her face with a perfect load of cum, you (at least a professional) maybe do not want a less experienced girl trying to finish the job - perhaps she is not using quite the right tempo, force, or energy - or maybe you have a feeling she is in a hurry to get the "shot" done. When that is said - a woman who knows how to handle a cock which is ready to burst, using the proper amount of enthusiasm, variation, accelleration, and force of her mouth and hands combined - is IMO the perfect way to make a blowjob memorable. - And if she swallows on top of that - she's a winner ;-)
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Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 5:47AM
Bill Landis wrote about his time in the porn industry in the early to mid 80s and talks about how George Payne taught him to jerk off with vaseline to achieve pop shots since they were both often either fucked up on drugs and/or incapable of getting off due to the environment of the shoot, as Hardware points out.
One aspect of this I've been thinking about is that I find a more controlled orgasm much more pleasurable than one that is not. I'm thinking it has to do with how sensitive one is. So if you're super horny porn stud you may actually prefer your orgasm this way as opposed to coming inside the woman or letting her stroke you to completion.
As stated, porn is about making money and meeting the needs of the producer, not about catering to the enjoyment of the customer. GMfan, this is, unfortunately, why jerk-to-pop is the norm. This is also why the economics of porn are creating a vicious circle of self-deprication and decay. There are, happily, other porn producers that produce quality fare to cater to YOUR desires. I suggest you give your time/money to them instead.
^ Lube; so if I'm shooting a facial movie Im supposed to risk the facial not even happening by trusting the girl to make sure the loads end up on the desired target? then what do I do, yell at everyone if they dont? not pay? yeah right. I get many 'customers' dismay at not seeing enough 'organic' finishes to scenes, but when one is in production there is only so much time you have to get any scene completed. sorry if the fantasy isnt taken all the way to 10 for you every time, or any time, but this is a career and a commitment now for me for the last 10-11 years and it's not worth the risk of not delivering the specifics needed to keep the wheels turning. it's ok to be critical, Im just hoping there's an ounce (or two), of understanding to go along with it. lates, Von S.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 5:21PM
I'm rather bored of facials myself so an 'organic finish' (great phrase Swine) is much more important to me than an 'accurate' facial. Mike John manages to finish most of his POV scenes with an organic finish, that's one reason I prefer his POV.
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10
Posted - Nov 18 2012 : 6:37PM
I'm betting that there are girls -- and well-known to the directors -- that can be relied upon to deliver a reliable facial to their own faces (i.e. without the stud being the one to jerk himself off). All we ask is that, you guys make every effort to have the girls do it, whenever feasible. Also, IMHO, even when the facial and placement is not "perfect," the girls bringing the studs off is so much hotter, I consider it worth the "risk." BTW, amazing how hot handjob titles can be, without an actual BJ, and without a certain facial.
There are performers and directors/producers that somehow manage to let the woman 'finish' reliably. I'm not the pro here, you are. Ask them why your "risk management" techniques fail but there's doesn't perhaps? You have my understanding. You don't have my business. I'm not into buying vids that always end with a male self-masturbation sequence. From you or anyone else. Nothing personal, I appreciate your honesty in fact. But I think it's clear you aren't interested in making anything but predictable scenes with predictable endings. Many of your fans want nothing more. I, however, do.
Probably because this is the way most people prefer it. The people who constantly complain about it are loud but they seem to be relatively few in numbers. And when they do give a reason for their preference, it often seems to be garden variety homophobia. The guy is jerking himself off so it would make them gay if they enjoyed watching a man masturbate himself until he shoots his load on a beautiful woman. I'm really not sure how that works but I have seen more than one post from more than one person giving roughly that reason for their opposition to men jacking off in porn.
LnL w/all due respect, Im speaking of group scenes and blowbangs specifically,(where a facial is needed). I hire guys that fuck to pop or creampie on the regular so there's no 'fail' to be had. but expecting a female performer to successfuly guide load #5 of 6 into her face after her eyes have been glued shut apparently isnt a dilemma you've had to confront in your place of work (more than once), unlike myself. still, Im extremely happy that your lofty XXX needs are being met by someone in this business. god forbid if that task was left up to someone like me, you might never be able to jerkoff again.... lates, Von S.
Never ceases to amaze me how determined some guys are to focus on the dude at the end of a scene. I don't know about everyone else, but I always focus the girl, her face, her expressions and her reaction to the load of cum she's about to get. Not what the dude is doing with his dick or how it's being done. Maybe it's just me. Edited by - Reggie86 on 11/19/2012 5:31:06 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 19 2012 : 4:51PM
I haven't seen anyone claim that it is 'gay.' It's because a guy jerking himself off is less 'hot' because we want to see the woman make the guy cum, the connection between the performers is what's important. Self-jerking is too obviously done because the guy isn't actually turned on enough to cum, hardly inspiring porn. As to what most 'people' prefer, I don't think commercial porn is a strong guide to determine that. We were told for decades that no one was interested in g/g but these days it does very well, because some people actually bothered to do it with some care and attention. Edited by - BlackSix on 11/19/2012 4:53:32 PM
Sticking to the original topic question. Answer: Because most porn today is not sexy. And most directors are incapable of shooting a hot sexy scene. So they shoot blow bangs & such with girls fish hooking their own mouths open waiting for a load. Which anyone with a iphone could film. Takes skill to actually direct a sexy scene or good porn film. You know the mood, lighting, actors who are totally into the scene. Kinda like how they did it years ago. Don't remember too many of those actresses fucking up a good scene. Those woman knew how to be bring the goods without trying to be shocking. Go ask the male porn stars of that era if they regretted having their dick jacked to completion by those legends.
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Posted - Nov 22 2012 : 5:26AM
Agreed. But I would contest your "guy isn't actually turned on enough to cum" premise. I think most producers want the cumshot at a certain time, and on a certain place - which would obviously require the guy to finish himself. Guys aren't great at aiming, but girls are much worse. Personally though, I'm with you. I like any kind of spontaneity, and would love to see more organic cumshots in porn. If that means every single drop doesn't land on a girl's face, so be it.
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Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 12:27AM
See this too often because I never understand it, surely they know how it works but stop... or perhaps after that first spurt hits her in the face she is not to keen to stroke out any more lolMe too and rubbing the spent cock over her face afterwards. Never see that to much anymore either. You know if she put it close to her face there would rarely be an issue of missing the target ;)May be a bit harsh but gotta agree, there are obviously many exceptions but does seem to be today a bit less erotic film and more just porn. Edited by - draghixafan on 6/10/2013 9:04:12 AM
I understand, both a someone who likes to control his own orgasms and as a porn consumer and lover of facials, the jerk-to-pop. What I don't like is the hungry-baby-bird look that so many starlets seem to think they have to effect while waiting for the pop. It just looks ridiculous. And can we please dispense with lines such as, "I want your hot cum all over my face"? What woman really says that, and what guy believes it? I know it's porn, but can we have at least a semblance of credulity? Better: 1) Instead of the hungry-birdie look, have the girl engage in some ball-sucking while the guy jerks. Not only does it get rid of he ridiculous, it's hot in its own right. 2) Instead of having the girl act like she wants a facial because she wants it, have her act like she wants it because she knows the guy (pr the viewer) wants it. There's a big difference between, "I want your hot cum all over my face," and "Yuo wanna cum on my face? I know you want to. Cum on, you know you want to." I remember Cris Taliana did this really well in a scene a few years ago, but I can't remember which one.
This topic "comes" up so often on the net I wonder why the porn directors don't listen (read) and give it a try. I am sure that most guys can aim pretty well. I'd also like to see more variety in facials, eg with the girl lying on her back and the guy sitting on her tummy, while she stokes him off. Or the girl ontop of the guy wanking him up into her mouth and then letting it dribble out down his cock and then she licks it up (my g/f used to do this to me......)
Girls finishing is way hotter even if it doesn't end up perfectly. I think Miko Lee had the best facial technique where just after the pop she would put the dick back in her mouth and suck the guy through orgasm and let the cum fall out of her mouth making a 1/2 facial / 1/2 oral. It also extended the pop shot sequence and demonstrated commitment. It would be nice if someone started doing this again.
I get that it's much easier said than done, but I have to agree with the OP on this one. I tend to like 2-4 guys and 1 girl in a scene. I MUCH prefer she bring the guys to orgasm. My PPM money goes much more heavily to scenes like a lot of the ones found in this thread. No offense to anyone, but I'd like to get my in on the long odds that it may affect future product offerings.
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10
Posted - Jun 24 2013 : 5:56AM
^ Ya know, this past week I found myself checking out a lot of Euro porn on Videobox. (It's interesting how, once you start looking at movies, they will keep recommending similar movies.) In any event, I was really struck by the high percentage of facials where the Euro-chicks brought the studs to climax. Also, the girls did an excellent job of jerking the studs directly all over their faces -- no cum-dodging. The U.S. porn industry should take a few lessons in this regard.
Brandon Iron, Jonni Darkko, Von Swine and Mike John show how it is done, although JLMF also has some epic scenes especially when Rich was the cameraman !
There's no excuse for any facial scene where the guy jerks himself to finish. Get to the point of release and have the girl finish the job. There are plenty of examples of this in porn and it's so much better imo.
Same with trans performers. Quit making scenes where they finish themselves - get to the point of release and have their partner finish the job. It's not about how good it feels for the performer, it's about how it looks to the viewer, and I at least, do not want to see a cock get jerked off by it's owner.
Obviously, the dynamics of a gangbang, bukkake scene are different than a 1-1 or 2-1 scene.
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Posted - Nov 6 2012 : 9:22AM
in on the long odds that it may affect future product offerings.