Why say no, when it feels so good to say yes. 117 Posts 10/06
Posted - Oct 14 2006 : 12:04PM
The man is a genius. Nearly everything he does goes instant best seller. Most here have probably seen his work in Jenna Haze Darkside and thought WOW. How does he keep getting away with it?
I mean I'm surprised there aren't more people imitating his style. If I was a director, the first thing I would do is imitate his style. What do you think he's doing that is so different? How would you describe his style or work?
I have been a JJ fan since he joined Evil Angel. While I personally am not crazy about his stuff lately, there aren't many people who put out a quality product like JJ.
Mainly, all his series seem to be interchangeable. I wish he would use some different outfits and shoot in different locations(like in Darkside) to spice things up.
Hi,Well, for one thing if there would be more than one i´d go broke
On the other hand i too have to say his stuff is sometimes interchangeable. I hope there will be a G/G AssWorshipping movie from either him or JDARRKO with those lovely red or acryl Butt plugs
I don't think Rocco is the main reason why John Stagliano is the greatest of all time, it's his passion which Jules Jordan movies lack, at least the ones I have seen, Jules Jordan movies are cold and clinical in my opinion.
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Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 3:35AM
I don't know. I've got some of his DVDs, some old stuff and some of the newer stuff and most of the times I'm underwhelmed, in a list of my favourite porn directors he would probably rank around 70th or so.
His love of asses drove him to use better angles for it. Finding the right meat puppet helps, sure, but Rocco wasn't the one that made it or broke it for me. Its hard to film and edit something that you have no passion for. Just hard to develop an eye for what fetishists want to see the way they want to see it.
Like pornologist said he had his own help but the big difference is Stagliano set the example when he created Adventures of Buttman and what he has done is going to be puzzled over...and studied...and followed... forever.
Directors like John Stagliano, Rodney Moore and Max Steiner are the true pioneers of porn in my opinion.
First, you have to bear in mind that to excel you have to want to excel. If you're just it in for the money chances are that you won't rise above mediocrity.
I'm going to risk the wrath of Walter Burns by proclaiming that porn is storytelling, and you need a few things to happen for it to be good storytelling: 1) You need to get actors to act out the story in a believable way, 2) you need to record the action, and 3) you need to edit the resulting footage to create a compelling narrative.
Surprising as it may seem, it's very hard to find porn where all three of these are done really well. Jules manages to do them better than most of the crowd.
Another thing is that props can make the story more believable or interesting to the viewer, and props is an area where Jules excels.
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Posted - Oct 15 2006 : 2:46PM
I think one fault you can definitely find in Jules' movies is the poor male casting he does in almost all his flicks. You almost never see him make use of good male talent in the industry. He just uses the same duds.
In the movie "Highlander", there was a quote. "There can be only one".
If I was a director I'd want to set myself apart and do something unique.
Jules seems to film the most beautiful girls, with great butts. He also seems to get a bit extra from the girls he films. The way he follows them with the camera; the super slutty wardrobe; the tease; the blowbangs. He has a winning formula he uses, and the fans seem to like it too.
A person doesn't need to be a pioneer to be good or great. Much work of pioneers have been improved with development.
Jules Jordan makes it a bit less "gonzo" (in its original meaning) and spends time to make sure the women are all glam'ed up - a good thing. Do I want to keep seeing Krystal Steal's perma-sneer, or her ass? I want to see her ass shown right. I think most porn directors don't take the time to show off a woman's body. John S. did that too, but I don't always want to hear the Buttman character.
Jules is one of the few directors who (with the help of wardrobe and excellent tease on the girls part) can make average girls look super hot.
Many other directors do the exact opposite. Make hot girls look very average. The over use of slapping, gaping, running make-up, gallons of drool, sore red arses, cum gurgling and farting can all combine to provide an ugly mess. I understand the turn on is the degradation and subordination here.... so 'looks' are secondary.
Jules manages to pull off some of these stunts (perhaps not in a Jake Malone fashion) and still have the girl looking sexy as hell. The Flesh Hunter series is superb.
For me....to really enjoy the scene, i have to be attracted to the girl.
If the scene is really erotic with lots of tease, sexy outfits and a good build up ...i'm getting turned on.
Finally...after some decent sex i really look forward to a solid well delivered cum shot on a pretty face (Jules delivers big time here again).
Jules should be given a special award for getting an anal 'in' and a monster cumshot 'on' my favourite Asian....Charmane Star. Brilliant Scene.
Why is there only one Tiger Woods? Michael Jordan? Joe Montana? Wayne Gretzky?
Some people just can't stand those guys either.
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Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 3:18AM
I remember when I first saw Ass Worship 1 & 2, being completely blown away that someone for the first time seemed to get everything right.
Since then, I have grown to be nonplussed by Jules' work for the most part. It's not that he's gotten worse, it's just rare to see anything new in his films. His talent is definitely for making women look absolutely stunning, and there is perhaps no one better in this department (at least in video).
However, lately the sex seems pretty tame, I think due to the male talent he uses (especially since he lost Lex).
Darkko/Ferrara/Case-Myne/William H have surpassed JJ in my book due to the heat they generate in their scenes, thanks to Manual, Mark Ashley, Rocco, et al.
Average girls often ARE super hot. They just don't know it (have probably been ignored and/or told they were "average" all their lives) and therefore, don't act or dress the part (and maybe don't take care of themselves so much).
In truth, almost all women CAN be sexy. It just takes a special kind of director to coax the "average" girl into believing in herself enough to be sexy and seductive for the camera.
They haven't been gone over by a make-up crew (look at those one day make-over theme shows on daytime talk, or Paltrow with and without heavy duty make-up), aren't dolled up in lingerie that highlights their best, and have the stress of life on their minds.
thanks for the response imaginative, If you are watching my movies for the male talent, maybe you are watching the wrong genre, I noticed that in the "pre-cum" thread you said you like the taste of semen. I do not focus my porn to the gay audience.
thanks to everyone who have watched for my movies for 10 yrs. hard to believe i've been shooting this long! heres to 10 more!
brandon iron in "Bakers Dozen 8" scene with amy ried was a good job quiet close to buttman's work. I mean in the manner to film the actress in her silver panty, showing slowly, taking times
Jules, you have a knack for getting girls comfortable with anal, and ,at least for me, you read my mind with your choice of casting. Maybe you'll be able to do riley mason's first anal also, any way keep up the good work.
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Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 7:16PM
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Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 7:24PM
Yes, but I think the majority of the fans are people who've only started to watch porn after the years when Buttman excelled. Alot of porn viewers today are the result of better marketing for the industry ~ the types who know Jenna Haze, but don't recognize a Flower Tucci.
That said, to make such a statement (below) has some merit of a generation gap, IMO.
The "Why Is There Only One Jules Jordan?" is because Jules is a unique talent. Is this not obvious?
And, when I say unique, I'm referring to the fact that his is not merely an artistic vision. Many people have a "vision." Rather, he also has the ability to capture his vision with incredible craft. He makes quality products with "production values." I've never seen a JJ product where he just cranked-out some piece of crap to collect a check.
Not only does Jules cast attractive girls (some of whom you never realized were that hot until Jules shot them), but he puts them in just the right outfit. His hair and make-up people prepare the girls like Hollywood glamour queens during the height of the studio system. His crew is professional and treats the process with respect. The picture quality and sound is, typically, flawless. I could go on-and-on, but you all already know these things.
Let's consider Jenna Haze: Darkside. How many directors can produce a single movie with eight scenes built around a single star and every single scene is a masterpiece? No doubt, I'm a Jenna Haze fan (as long as she's doing B/G). But, I've been so disappointed with countless Jenna Haze scenes, by other directors, who couldn't even get one scene right.
This leads us to another point in Jule's favor... VALUE. As consumers, we get more genuine stroke-for-the-buck than most anything else out there. And, the shelf-life and repeat value is enormous.
Vision, talent, execution, quality production values, repeat value... it's all there. This is why there is only one Jules Jordan
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Posted - Oct 17 2006 : 11:25PM
Jules, I am 110% straight (hence I hate gangbangs and anything with DPs) and although a the females are the main attraction to a movie for me, the male talent is very important. A scene can suck big time depending on the male talent a director casts in the scene. Some guys just don't bring any heat and can't fuckin seem to get the girls in the right position. And a lot of these new cats hate to burry their faces in ass and pussy for longer than 2 seconds!!
Damn dude, you need to get the Manuels, Michael Stefanos, Mark Ashleys and Roccos in your movies. These other "male talent" you are bringing in your movies are bringing the scenes down.
I like Buttman too eric. But I think we are discussing current gonzo movies, not gonzo from the nineties.
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Posted - Oct 18 2006 : 11:40AM
Thanks for seconding, prodigy. Who knew Jules was so sensitive as to start throwing out supposed and veiled insults to the people who buy his movies. (I have over 30 in my shelf.)
First of all, Mr. Jordan, I don't considered being called "gay" an insult even though I am not, so I won't even bother responding to that aspect of your post.
I was simply stating the obvious, that it takes two to tango (or in porn, AT LEAST two) and that if you use male talent that are duds, your scenes are going to suffer as a result.
The men I mention are notorius for bringing heat and passion to a scene, the latter of which I have very rarely seen in your films. At least not in a while. I think everyone reading this post would rather see genuine (or at least, convincing) passion, than whatever fetish rocks their boat (i.e. gapes, facials, etc.) any day.
The ignored compliment I paid you in my original post is genuine. I still watch and enjoy your movies regularly, however the way I watch your films these days is unique in that it's the tease that gets savored, rewound etc. and the sex that often get fast-forwarded.
Lastly, for the record, maybe if you were a little less homophobic (which your reply makes so obvious), your scenes would improve. Certainly the way you constantly talk to the girls while you're behind the camera and avoid f>m rimjobs at all costs, "scream" how very straight you are.
I think that Jules is successful because he makes the movies he wants to make, the way he wants to make them.
He gets girls that he likes(or so it seems.) I like that he seems to enjoy making his movies rather than making it look like it's just a job.
If you're watching his movies hoping that eventually he will do what you want, forget it. The difference between an artist and a commodity producer is that the artist satisfies his needs first.
If the public, likes what the artist creates, then great. If the individual doesn't like what the artist creates, then they either need to pick up a camera and create what they percieve to be missing or buy someone else's movies.
Veiled insults not withstanding, he's right. If you don't like his work, go find another director or genre. It's like complaining that Eminem doesn't sing like Pavoratti.
I simply stated that I do not shoot for a gay audience, how is this homophobic? I am sure alot of gay men watch straight porn, and obviously my movies are focused on the females.
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Posted - Oct 18 2006 : 2:12PM
There is no such thing as 110% anything, unless you're using actual figures, or looking for a money-back guarantee, etc.
And since when do DP's and gangbangs equal "gay"? I see we have another brainchild on Aisle #3. It's quite funny that you have an issue with these acts in porn, but are worried about the male casts who perform in them.
My point exactly Lou, we ARE talking about current movies. But there are many who make comparisons or label directors without having watched an older director's work. I'm in the current generation, JJ is a favorite.
Well said!!
Directors try to be creative to the best of their ability, but there is only so much before they meld together. You can't expect "the guys who bring heat" to be used in every scene, otherwise now you have a situation where the same talent (regardless how much heat they bring) are used for all the flicks.
Edited by - Eric381 on 10/18/2006 2:18:27 PM
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Posted - Oct 18 2006 : 9:43PM
Jules Jordan is easily my fav director out there. With his films you get full scenes and real value for money,unlike those over-edited,overhyped super-slomo snoozefest Flicks from Digital Playground. Jules always brings the best out of performers. Girls like Krystal Steel have been notorious half assed performers but each time she has worked with Jules she has delivered. He gets hot chicks to do some crazy staff they have never done before. P.s. I'm looking forward to the next Darkside. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Why say no, when it feels so good to say yes. 117 Posts 10/06
Posted - Oct 18 2006 : 9:59PM
One of my favorite scenes by JJ is in Trained Teens #2 where Daisy Dukes is wearing a white skirt and white top and has white panties pulled to the side and is fucked on an otoman.
That was unbelievably hot. Take that same girl at some other studio and she's all nude and it's not as interesting. There is no mood being set elsewhere. JJ knows how to set the mood.
Another scene I really liked was with Jenna Haze & Aurora Snow outside on a payphone trying to call for a ride. They look unbelievable because they look normal. Like just two pretty girls hanging out having fun. The guy brings them back to his place and they are laughing, smiling, having fun it's an exicting scene. The mood is set again. The sex is also excellent with some elements of POV in it.
Also, something about his visual work, maybe he has better equipment to shoot with or something..but it always looks flawless. The girls are dressed unbelievably, it's not just porn. It's erotica.
The girl walks in and you see her walking, it's confident, the mood is set, the imagery is powerful in his films. Few directors realize how much the audience wants a solid buildup. Wants solid imagery and a persona.
Nobody just looks at a girl and says I want to fuck that girl. They say I want to fuck that girl working at the mall. I want to fuck the waitress. I want to fuck the stewardess.
JJ realizes that. In Jenna Haze Darkside, the plot/dialogue was unbelievable. Jenna in a confession booth, then she walks over and fucks the priest inside his booth on the other side. It's not the same sex. It's elevated because there is a buildup.
Her fucking a dick through a hole is nothing. But start with her in an unbelievable black lingerie with the guys groping and feeling over her first through the holes, all the hands rubbing all over her body..her not knowing who they are..that is erotica.
That is some shit you read about in a book and go WOW. So when you see it, you are like holy shit. So that's how it would look.
I honestly think JJ's work is getting unbelievably better. I know it takes time to test out different things and get a feel for how you want to make films...but if Jenna Haze Darkside is where he's at now in his work...fuck...I can't wait to see where else it goes from here!
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Posted - Oct 19 2006 : 6:41PM
Eric381-
Like I told you before you want to talk shit to me, send me a PM and I will let you know what is up.
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Posted - Oct 19 2006 : 6:52PM
Spare me the threats, 'dawg'...thanks. Besides, your account doesn't accept PM's.
As for Jules' flicks, he incorporates a variety of things that are attractive to not-only the basic porn viewer, but the specialists as well. As a fan of Tiffany Holiday, I can't get her Flesh Hunter 8 scene out of my head at times (slutty red thigh-highs, trash/dirty talk,...it's all there).
Well, since i've never posted a "I love Jules Jordan" post I guess i'll start one myself. I certainly don't think the man is a genius. Sure, when it comes to porn, but that's overdoing it a little! I do agree that he has a lot of talent and luckily everyone saying such positive things hasn't gotten to them like uhm..some other particular person that has a name with the initials "JJ".
Back in the day i'd rent all the Anabolic/Diabolic stuff. It was so damn good but you never got a chance to really see the woman! Half the time you'd see the credits and all you'd see is her name and three dicks stuck in her! My friend noticed this after only seeing her ass and said "She's Cute!" as a joke. Exactly.
My first movie from Jules I think was "Flesh Hunter". It seemed to be pushing the limits of what you'd normally see in porn. I think one of his movies was the first time i'd ever seen such sex acts as double anal and "gaping". At the time the movie overall was a step above all the Anabolic/Diabolic stuff in terms of picture quality and well, everything else. I clearly remember the best part of them being all the tease scenes. Not just where it's nonstop sex and that's all. I definitely know that he's not the first to have the tease scenes in his movies.
Where some people direct and maybe like it, they still treat it as "just" porn and only something people jerk off to. I don't think this is Jules Jordans thinking, if that was the case then it'd probably be half as good I think. It's just so obvious that more effort is put into his films than any others, just there to do their job.
I guess overall why I like his stuff is that it appears to be much more artistic than all the other filthy stuff out there. He can be doing double anals, creampies and shooting milk out of asses and still make it look classy and artistic. His stuff adds class back into porn, so that's why they're a step above Anabolic and all the rest in my book.
I remember at one time I was so sick of porn. This was when Anabolic was in decline and their stuff wasn't as good. At one point all my friends and I would rent just Jules Jordan stuff. I always said that i'm not renting it for the guy, just that his stuff is consistantly good. Since when have you rented a Jules Jordan movie and absolutely hated it? Maybe you disliked it, but it's rare where you've purchased one of his movies and felt ripped off unlike with other movies out there.
My only complaint (not really a complaint I guess) is that lately some of his stuff has been rather tame. He hasn't been pushing the limits lately like he did with titles such as "Ass Worship 1,2,6", "Weapons of Ass Destruction" and "Space Invaderz". Sure we've got creampies now, but that's nothing. Maybe i'm expecting to much these days. I haven't really re-watched any of his newest stuff since "Ass Worship 6". I have however watched them all, except for a couple. You don't need to always have every title be really extreme and nasty, but perhaps i'm just too picky. It's perfectly fine, do whatever you want to do! However, I still don't think he got to where he is (as porn god) without taking a lot of suggestions from customers.
To be honest, his stuff hasn't always been at #1 in my book when it came to making the best porn. About 6 months back Platinum-X had some pretty amazing stuff. Platinum-X stuff declined in quality a tad though, but it's still good. Probably up there with Julesjordanvideo and Evilangel.
As long as he keeps making movies i'll watch them. Lately, i've just been bored with some of his stuff.
BTW I don't EVER suggest things here on this forum, but maybe he can get Adrianna Sage to come out of retirement to do a movie. I'm sure she would. I was at her webpage the other day, she's so hot! Like a perfect 10 to me. Probably my #1 favorite. She actually looks better now than she did back when she was doing Anabolic movies. I know this will never happen, but I can only dream...Mei-Yu wouldn't be bad either, but I think she dropped off the face of the planet.
Jules is a master combining hot eroticism with great sex. The introduction of the female talent into the scene is a powerful key that Jules dominates completely. All the magnificent attention and care that he shows to details... the make up and outfits of the actresses... the choice and preparation of the scenario and situation... the plot; dialogue; the tease; his awesome domain of the camera...---> All put in the right road to generate a hot erotic atmosphere that fluids smooth into the sex.
He is not only great in all said above... he also has the skill, the talent to put all those elements working together, elaborating something that is a lot of more than the sum of these parts... Synergy... frikin hot synergy.
What happens when you put together two outstanding talents like Jenna and Jules?... "Jenna Haze Darkside " happens. Some people is referring to "Jenna Haze Darkside "... I'll not be less since I LOVE this movie.
Besides her stunning beauty, sexy ways and looks... her amazing energy, how nasty she can be, her sweet and positive personality, and countless more hot goodness... Jenna is an outstanding performer, matchless for me, and an awesome professional... and Jules knows how to put the right pieces to make that Jenna might to show out her talent... and the result is... BREATHTAKING! Jenna and Jules working together, united, maximizing one the qualities of the other, making a real masterpiece... Synergy... synergy between matchless talents.
This is just an extreme-fast sight to the question "what makes Jules' movies so special?"... and, indeed, expressed for me in a clumsy way...
John Leslie, Tom Byron, John Stagliano, Joey Silvera and now Jules Jordan. These guys are Hall of Fame directors they actually make movies you can jack off to. Jules is definitely one of the best there is today.
Hey now tmb5! What’s with all the negs on Anabolic o.0? Ok my stuff is just starting to come out and it sounds like your talking about the old stuff. So I would say give them another shot. I not just talking about my stuff but in general I would say that picture and sound quality has increased dramatically in all the directors there. I am calling the place home right now and can tell you that the directors get together ever week to help improve the quality of your porn there. Just check out the box cover and you can tell by a glance it’s a difference in quality then the old stuff. The stuff I am shooing is Double Stuff, Balls Deep, Up Your Ass, Nasty Girls and Nick Rack and there flying off the shelves were I come in and can’t grab a copy for myself before they reorder some more movies. Also have a couple of new titles in works and I tell you I let you enjoy the women before the sex starts so no worries there and my scenes are long so you get plenty of hardcore pounding as well, I gone be changing a lot of things in my movies as I want to see a change as well so stay toned.
I shot JJ’s stuff for a time and I would say he’s stuff is better then average because he cares and timing! Good Luck with the new company you started up JJ, I know its hard times in today’s climate. Yani Z
IMHO, Jules Jordan is the best director out there, especially if you're a fan of the hottest babes performing anal.
Jules always has the ladies looking smoking hot and dressed their fetish best.
I do agree with a previous poster that Jules could use some help in the male talent by hiring more of Manuel Ferrara, Michael Stefano, Steve Holmes, Rocco and maybe even Tom Byron in his movies.
You will see me in a lot of his upcoming releases. This summer I worked for him every Tuesday for three month and I'm in many movies with Mike John and Erik Everhard.
kami, have to tell you, one of your lines in a jules vid (i am guessing Ass Worship 8, i might be wrong though) is one of my alltime favorites. in the scene, you're getting it from like four guys, and you said something like, "i think you just hit my spleen, and i don't even know what that is!". it was classic