A fellow member and squirt fan Goodspeed brought this up in another thread and I asked too, but it was off topic so we didn't get a response. But the question: Why is it that everytime a girl squirts, the cameraman quickley moves to obscure it? Like moving in to a closeup of her face or a side view? The big dissapointment for me came in Tori Black's scene in You, Me, and Her. At the end, Manuel did his normal finger action and Tori was doing and amazing job with her reactions. I knew she was gonna squirt, But then the cameraman imediatly ran in in for a cloesup of her FACE!(?) Now there are a few other scenes I just found that do the same thing Aliz in The Doll House 6, Toni Ribas did his normal finger action that always gets girls to squirt and the cameraman quickely changed angles to a side view, obscuring what I want to see. Also, Monique Alexander's scene from Splashes On Glasses 2, the cameraman zooms in on her face while getting some hard fingering action, only to see squirt leftovers after it was done. Her only squirt scene, and it wasn't captured on camera! I remember an early scene with Rebeca Linares a few years ago where she began to squirt and the cameraman quickly moved to her face. WHY? Hopefully Mike Quasar can find out why Mick Blue is doing this. Please Mick Blue, if you read this, please capture the girls squirting! I'm a squirt fan and am dissapointed about this.
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Posted - Jan 9 2010 : 1:09AM
Either show it, or leave that whole part of the scene out. No one appreciates having their nose rubbed in the fact that something is being purposely withheld, which is what showing everything up to, and right after, the event does.
This bothers and disappoints me too. PLEASE show the girls squirting; for me it's just like cutting away before, during, or after the cumshot. Regardless of if it's from a dude or a chick, ejaculate is hot and I wanna see it! And Mike, what exactly are those reasons???
A very vague "reason" and I'm sure that Cytherea in Internal Cumbustion 3 would beg to differ. I remember on this board a while back, someone similarly complained of Mike not lingering on the girls very long after cumshots (I went back and watched a few ZT DVDs and sure enough, he cuts away or focuses elsewhere EVERY single time a performer was even threatening to play with spooge) and his only response was that, as cameraman, he personally did not like to see it. Too bad he's not shooting movies for his own viewing pleasure but supposedly for the fans and the people who actually buy the movies. Perhaps, and this is pure speculation on my part based on his past responses, but perhaps Mike doesn't like being "squirted" on when he shoots. Again, a somewhat selfish reason and one that doesn't take into consideration the consumers who DO want to see that sort of thing but hey, it's their product. They will do what they want. And I'm sure buyers will, as they always do, speak with their wallets. Obviously (and judging from Mike's posts about piracy, etc), they are so financially successful in today's economy that catering to their fans is a luxury they needn't care about affording. If your cameraman is afraid of getting cooties from those disgusting squirting harlots or even bearing witness to them enjoying some jizz on their lips and it doesn't hurt your bottom line to not showcase it, why change? Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 1/9/2010 10:05:30 PM
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Ida Lupino Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 9 2010 : 10:11PM
They very much cater to their fans by having a no piss policy, and it's one of the reasons they are successful.
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Posted - Jan 9 2010 : 10:28PM
This isn't a "Is squirting really piss?" debate. It's about the question at hand. Believing that all squirt is urine is not the reason for this thread's existence. However, if Zero Tolerance believe this to be true, then it becomes relevant... This clear response wasn't forthcoming, nor were the actual reasons for the cutaways.
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oldmule1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 9 2010 : 10:53PM
^ see britney amber's scene in internal cumbustion 14 for what the posters are hinting at...there is an obvious cutaway
Seriously, has this board just gotten angrier for some reason? Do I want to get pissed on? No. AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS 100% OF THE TIME, but our reasons for not showcasing the fetish known as "squirting" are really none of anyone's business. There are a ton of companies out there who will shoot pissing scenes all day long. If that's your thing, go buy one of their movies. Why the fuck would you get angry with me about something so trivial and ridiculous? It's not like we put out a movie called "Squirting Sluts Volume 36" and cut all of the squirting out of it. We have NEVER advertised that any of our movies feature this act.
I have no idea why people want to see that, but back in the day when women used to speak to me, I had a gf who would "squirt" and I smelled it once and it had absolutely no urine scent to it at all.
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Fernandez Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2010 : 8:34PM
"cantgetlaid" is the perfect name for a squirt mope.
Before this gets out of hand, let me say thanks Mike for answering my question. All I wanted was a take on your stance and, yes, after all you are the ones making the movies so fair enough. For those who are wondering what the big deal is about the cutting, understand the fact that to know it's coming, or happening, only for it to be cut is a bit of a let down for us squirt fans. It's like if Kristina Rose was getting nailed by a white guy, then a black performer walks in and right when about to stick his cock in her ass the movie ends. How would all you IR fans feel about that? I've tried to avoid the squirting is piss debate for as long as I've been here, but based on my personal experiences I know it to be real, and based on that I can pretty much tell when it is or is not real in porn. I don't doubt that 90% of squirting in porn is in fact piss or staged (which is why I try to avoid squirting specific titles in the first place). There is that Chayse Evans scene in Fetish Fuckdolls 3 or Cytherea in Lingerie 2 where you can clearly see the yellow that substantiates all you non-belivers. Not to mention the amount of water consumption that goes on behind the scenes of all these squirt movies. But then again if you watch a Mia Rose or Nicole Ray or Missy Stone scene, there's your other 10%. Edited by - goodspeed on 1/10/2010 9:33:09 PM
Well, I'd like to thank Mike for responding, but I'm seriously disapointed about this. But what is the reasons to avoid it? I'm not saying it has to be a showcase thing, most scenes involving a girl squirting is random anyway, but going out of the way to avoid it really grinds my gears. In fact i like it better when its not a squirting showcase scene. Wheather you consider it piss or squirt or whatever, I didn't want to start that debate, its still a female orgasm, and I like to see it. It sucks that people who do not like squirting, do not want it in their scenes despite that other people do like it. There are certain things in scenes that I do not like, yet don't complain about it because I know other people like it. There are certain fetishes for everybody, but I hate it when people don't like something and go out of their way to ruin something for people who do. I hope Mike will consider not moving the camera away in the future. i'm not asking for a squirt title, because they pretty much suck. But next time Manuel or Tony Ribas is doing their finger thing, can you please show it? I"m not even asking for closeups, the full body shot is perfect.
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Bluto Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 7:17AM
I don't want to see girls piss. They are not having orgasms while pissing. Great work Mike!
I'm not a fan of "squirting", so perhaps that's why it seems to me there's not exactly a shortage of "squirting" porn. The editing complaint I can understand however. There has to be a follow-up to a tease.
I'm not making a case for or against anything. I answered a question but my answer was clearly not satisfactory to some people. I'm not going to spend any more mental energy on something so pointless as this thread.
^But your only answer was I don't want to get pissed on. If your afraid to get pissed on, then why do you move so close for a closeup where you are more likely to get pissed on? Tell your male performers not to make girls squirt, then there won't be a problem. But if they're gonna finger a girl to a squirt, you might get pissed on regardless if you capture it on camera. But us squirt fans want to see it, and hearing it happen outside of the frame is just frustatating. Thats the whole point of porn in the first place, to see the sex action, not to have it outside of the frame.
I like piss porn but I am glad some in the industry are taking a stand (regardless of the reasons) because it can only further contribute to dumbing down people's ideas about sex. If we're going to have piss porn, it should be called piss porn (or something that indicates that's what it is). Obviously, there are legal implications (In the land of the free) and I therefore don't blame them. The message we've been sent from our nanny (government) is clear. Anything in porn that gets the censors and their herd mooing will get people arrested and punished. Don't blame the industry for being afraid of persecution. They're already harassed enough, I'm sure, just for the nature of what they do.
Let me clarify that I did not squirt in this scene, it could have been sweat or lube you were seeing... who really knows. I would bet that in a lot of the instances you are referring to, the girl did not actually squirt, so you guys didn't miss anything. I have done this one time in my entire life, and it was on film, however I absolutely HATE it, so I request of male performers before the scene that they do not try to make me squirt. Because of this, if I ever do squirt again on film there will be no question as to if I did or didn't because you will be watching a seriously pissed of pornstar.
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Stalag Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 29 2010 : 6:14PM
I suspect that all of the Goodspeed squirt sightings are also bogus.