Yeah... if I see anyone smiling in a porn movie I fast forward...smiling, kissing and laughing have no place in porn. There should be less of it in real life too.Oh and joking...definitely less joking.
Maybe it's not my place to post on this thread but I'll tell you what happens on my sets. There is no kissing or pussy eating unless it's GG. I don't really want to see the guy's face in the scene too much and the kissing angle really cracks that wall. Once in a while, I'll shoot over to the guy but I've limited even that in my later scenes. The guys and girls are paid to fuck.
How realistic is it for two people who met each other 5 minutes before to make out when they're paid to do a job and there's a boyfriend or girlfriend waiting diligently at home?
The cool thing for the guys is that the girl is a 'sure thing'. Foreplay or no foreplay, the bunghole is going to get a throttling from a complete stranger.
There's nothing realistic about porn except that the participants fuck and suck, pick up a paycheck, and go home to their mates.
I'm with you. The performers should always look as mechanical and miserable as possible at all times. Kissing? Hey, if they aren't careful we might get the idea they like each other. Laughing!?!? No, no, no. My dick would get flaccid if it thought they might actually be enjoying themselves. Perish the thought.Yeah. Especially joking around in porn, while performing. Whenever there's a truly fun, light and positive atmosphere in a scene (luckily that is blissfully rare), I always worry one of the performers is gonna do something funny, and they both crack up laughing. If that ever happened I wouldn't be able to get wood for a month.
Yes, well. Ahem. That's you're style. And that's fine, you're welcome to it. I expect it sells adequately, or you wouldn't be doing it.With some of the guys that's understandable. But if the guy looks OK, and is the type one could imagine the girl would go for it's another matter IMHO.I like to think that they are paid to act as well. OK they aren't likely to get calls from an upscale London Shakespearian company, but it would be nice if they looked like they were into each other. Unless of course the scene is all about serious slapping and choking.Not every scene has to be with new girls fresh off the train. I actually like to watch the more established women in porn as well. And the guys tend to be active for a long time. Some of the performers have worked together before and know each other. That can sometimes make for a better scene IMHO.Well is that's the purpose of a scene, then of course kissing would be pointless. The girls is then just a masturbatory aid. And even then the guys more often than not have to stroke themselves silly to cum.There's nothing realistic about a Hollywood blockbuster, and Hollywood actors aren't necessarily the best in the world, but if the acting is complete rubbish the movie is a waste to me. If the porn performers are having a great time and it shows, that's great. If they aren't having such a great time, I'd like them to act as if the were. Same thing with female orgasms in porn. It's nice if they have them. But what really counts is that they should make the viewer believe they had one.
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Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 6:38AM
WOW! Chico can really kill the fantasy aspect of porn!
For nearly every guy, the girl is a masturbatory aid. Shit, I'm not going into the finer details about this stuff. Some guys get off on a girl getting the shit kicked out of her. Others like the softcore lovey dovey stuff. The only acting is when the dick goes into the pussy and the girl acts like a bottlerocket exploded in her brain cause she's immersed in ecstacy. A few select girls are truly in porn because they want to: Ariana, Melissa, etc.
The general rule of thumb I've followed, though flexible at times, is that the people are there to fuck, not make love. Otherwise, I'd be shooting couples all day and all night which I also refuse to do. I'm not paying a couple top dollar for shit they do already every night. I'm not a dating service.
Alot of guys also refuse to do it as well. And in multiple guy situations, does one guy want to kiss a girl's mouth after she sucked another man's cock and has pre-semen pasted on her tongue? In gonzo, sometimes you hit paydirt and get real chemistry. But most of the time, it's absolutely manufactured chemistry. Personally I like it when a girl is pretending to have a good time when she's fucking a couple of butt ugly guys fucking her asshole and glopping semen down her tonsils. That's the essence of porn in my warped world.
I wish people would stop dismissing kissing as just romantic and therefore that it shouldnt be included in movies.
Anyone who's watched Japanese porn knows that kissing can be rough, nasty and a whole lot more.
Yesterday I watched a JAV title called 'Kiss Illusion Theatre'. It was a series of 6 scenes with all kissing, no hardcore sex, just kissing. Sounds boring huh? Wrong! It was one of the hottest films i've sene for ages, and i'm into hardcore gonzo.
One scene had two incredibly sexy japanese women kissing, and licking each other faces and basically just exploring each others mouths. You could see everything, and even better the sounds of them going at it were incredible.
Another scene had a older guy sitting at a table in a restuarant with a young looking Japanese babe. They started to kiss and makeout and then started to smear honey and cream on each others lips and go at it.
There was nothing especially romantic about this, I wasnt watching thinking how sweet and sensual it was. I was thinking this is hot as hell, go for it.
Whenever I see girls kiss in American movies it's always the same, they always stick out their tongues and thats it. There's never any passion and it only lasts for a few minutes max.
I dont understand why some American director doesnt hire someone like Teagan, Aurora Snow. Sit them on a bed, make sure they are dressed and tell them to simply kiss and explore each others mouths for 25-30 minutes. Forget the pussy eating, forget the toys, just tell them to make out.
The closest I have seen to the Japanese style was in Belladonnas perversions series. She sat the performers down on a couch and just spent ages kissing them and making out with them.
There's so many concepts that are not explored in American gonzo porn. I simply cant understand why we dont see the innovation that is going on all the time in Japanese porn.
I watched a film the other day with a Japanese women taking a cumshot to the face. They then followed her as she went into a store and bought something, she still had some cum on her face! Granted this is bizzare but at least it's different.
It doesn't have to be softcore for the girl to be treated as an equal partner (stop laughing the sex can actually still be hot and steamy).And again that's your style. I'm well aware that no-one is going to get you change that. But some of us like to watch (at least the appearance of) people mutually enjoying the sex.I wouldn't. Another reason I prefer one guy per scene.IMHO modern gonzo rarely achieves to manufacture anything remotely resembling chemistry. It does happen, but all to seldom in my book.I'd prefer her to pretend to have a good time while fucking guy(s) that at least approach the male equivalent of her level of hotness, and being treated with some measure of respect.And that's where our opinions of what makes great porn differ.
Maybe not, but who gives a shit (no offense)? Like you say, they get payed for what they do.. and hence, it's a JOB. Why is this an issue anyway? I mean is it more disgusting than drinking farted cum from someone's ass? Me thinks not and yet, many girls do it..
However, I agree that kissing won't work in typical gonzo. At least for me. I like kissing in tame and romatic context only...unless Brigette Kerkove is involved. She is romantic in every situation.
They get prematurely excited, I get prematurely excited watching it. That's why I loved Star E. Knight when she kissed Lee Stone. I saw that soft tender sensual body being felt up. My dick was in heaven. I don't get you guys who think kissing is boring. Trust me. YOu get the right guys and girls hooked up, I can stroke to it easy. I especially love it in girl/girl. Janine is one of the best.
WTF, you're telling us porn guys are sqeamish? If it was a DAP scene, they don't hesitate to rub their dicks together in a very tight space for minutes on end, but they can refuse to kiss the actress. This is laughable.
Not necessarily, but kissing is often associated with foreplay. Foreplay is often associated with romance. Romance is often associated with love.
And there is no love in gonzo, my friend... just hardcore.
There can be love in porn though. It can be acted or it can be genuine. It requires good actors or willing couples. Duh. See, Chico probably doesn't have engough money to pay the former, and won't hire the latter. Hence, we're stuck..
I just think kissing is HOT, and don't necessarily associate it with romance or foreplay (though I think there's room for more of that as well).
Occasionally I even enjoy getting kissed while I'm being fucked! That's my warped world, bring it ON!!!
Don't worry Chico, I don't think anyone expects to see this disgusting act in any of your movies, nor is anyone saying that they want to see kissing in ALL porn. But what I'm hearing is that this just shouldn't happen in any gonzo, and I'd hate to think that any genre is so narrowly defined.
In a sexual context, kissing is at least as much about desire as it is about love . That's why you won't see kissing in a lot of porn, and why the much of the kissing you do see in porn looks stilted. There's precious little desire in porn.
If you watch Dillan Lauren and Mandingo's scene from Baker's Dozen, from Platinum X Pictures, they actually engage in a lot of kissing (which Mandingo initiates) and it is a really passionate, authentic, and jerk-off-worthy scene which combines hard fucking with intimate kissing. You should definitely check it out.
P.S. I wasn't a big fan of when they had 12 guys pop on her after the scene was over...but that was the theme of the movie.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 8:04PM
What is all this grumbling and moaning about kissing being forbidden in porn? How come I see it quite regularly, also in 'gonzo'? For instance, remember T.T. Boy? He not only chokes, he also kisses. A couple of months ago, I saw one of his 18 & Nasty videos shot in Prague. T.T. was paired with a rather shy girl, who couldn't express herself well in English. T.T. gave her the customary wild ride, BUT every now and then he leaned over and kissed the girl, and she kissed back. Nothing over the top, no tongue duelling, just a part of the scene. Without saying anything, both T.T. and the girl kissed during the fucking, as if it was a natural part of the scene, which it was. It was one the highlights of the video (which had as much downs as ups).
btw, I don't know who shoots his 18 & Nasty series, but in the ones I have seen, the camera spends a surprisingly long time on the faces of the girls.
Oh yes, same goes for girls finishing guys off. I have to confess that I hardly pay any attention at all to cumshots. But even with this low attention from my part, I have to say that in almost every video I have seen the last couple of weeks, I have noticed at least 1 scene where the girl finishes the guy. I agree that in most scenes the opposite is true, but claiming that the list of scenes where the girl finishes the guy is short, does not correspond with my limited viewing experience.
cobalt60 said: "These ladies are wonderfully winsome wenches worthy of worship. Woe to wafflers who welch when weird wording won't work. Why wait? Who winces when I whip out: WORD!!"
That angle is hot. I love when the photo exposes a woman's lovely hands on a guys chest like that. I like when Taylor St. Claire is smiling with Marc Davis in their scene. Foreplay can be hot as fucking it depends on the angles and how it looks.
Foreplay to me can resemble pure sensual lust as well as love. Frankly, I could care less if love or "tender" emotions become coincidentally part of a lust scene. As long as it is as hot if the scene had no tender emotions.
Dolph Zeke, From my perpective feet can be the most tender part of the female body. As long as a feet fetish is integrated as being part of the whole feminine body admired it is hot as shit.
Cristabel, I don't really know of any titles but "Kitten" usually kisses alot in her scenes. She is the one with the huge tongue.
This is an older thread , but i don't understand why so many people associate kissing with tame erotica , necessarily. French Kissing can be really wild and nasty if the participants are willing to get into it. Check out some of belladonna's kissing scenes or lauren Phoenix. The kissing is intense , sometimes involving spitting , which is the best for me. As far as i am concerned , there should be lots of it in Gonzo , especially in the girl girl scenes. Kissing doesn't have to be soft , it could be really wild , and this only adds to a scene. People kiss alot when they have sex. That's just the way it is and if it can be incorporated into the really intense style of gonzo , do it. There's plenty of time to add this to a scene. Joey Silver's videos are very highly regarded and he always has kissing in his videos.
Some say 'Make love, not war'.....I say you can do both, if you budget your time 578 Posts 9/04
Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 11:40AM
I wouldn't mind some smooching in B/G or G/G scenes. In a scripted scene, it would add to realism. However, I do understand that some view it as more 'intimate' than ass-reaming or sword-swallowing.
I want to see at least 60 second long kissing not the 2 second long kisses they think is enough or hot. Tonguing is one thing but yes, real kissing is needed.
OK, I read a few more of your post; some gonzo directors feel it is too tame or romantic for long kissing to take place? Hmm... the best sex I have is being slapped around then kissed passionately for minutes and longer minutes. I realize in porn that amount of time may be excessive, but perhaps they could understand the combination of rough sex w/ long romantic kissing is hot, sexy and an unusual combination.
Cock Choke Me: RIGHT ON! Thats why i love John Thomsons work with GGG and his new series Sex Box 001 - 003... they fuck the girls so hard and kiss them inbetween exchanges and some even after dumping loads on their grills :)
If someone doesn't know, Viv Thomas has great, the best lesbian movies ever. Check "Pink Velvet 2"- there is so much kissing and all movie is wonderfull. Or "Corinna end Erin" from TNV - this movie is on this web. I like samething like that.
It is NOT a given that g/g videos will have tons of kissing. Maybe it used to be like that , but not anymore. Now , it's almost all "dildo plunging" right from the start with a few fake tongue pecks here and there.
It's "gay for pay" and it shows ! It's the easiest way to make a lesbian video , and this is one of the reasons why many men probably don't like g/g scenes. It's because they are obviously fake and totally lame most of the time.
I never thought I liked lesbian sex, until I started shooting real lesbians having sex.
-T.C.
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Boston 8 Posts 1/05
Posted - Jan 29 2005 : 2:17PM
i agree, it is hot to be used and then to be kissed, you have both side of the sex, beside kisses can be rough too and it looked as if the man owned you in a more intimate way. i love to be rough fucked and after it is all over to be kissed real good. hot kisses, Slut Wife
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arthur Deactivated User
165 Posts 9/04
Posted - Jan 29 2005 : 5:43PM
Kissing is a form of courtship, and is generally considered uneconomical in a sex scene. Remember, the performers are being paid to have sex, not seduce. Yes, it's sad but that's how we've ended up in an industry that is all about the almighty buck.
Hollywood is a hell of a lot better at making money than Chatworth, and there's plenty of faked but believable kissing in the stuff they make. The lack of good kissing in porno might be about money, but if it is about money, it's about the lack of money.
Party's Over, The - review by Sean DPS
Posted - Jul 28 2004 : 3:30AM
