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ntfighter
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645 Posts
7/07
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 9:47PM
Digmen1
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629 Posts
7/07
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 10:19PM
Hi Guys
I have always preffered to see the girl wank the guy or get him to cum in her mouth.
But 95% of porn vids show the guy wanking himself even since pron came out !
It seems from this thread (any many other threads) that most of us want to see the girl do it.
So why do porn directors keep getting the guys to do it ? Don't they read or listen ?
I think it is degrading for a man to jerk himself off when there is a lady there in real life, so why should pron be different ?
As for those of you who say you don't want to see the cum landing on their shoulder or arm or the couch in the room next door, well that comes down to the girls skill/talent and the directors instructions. If she can't aim it right it shows she's a beginner. (I don't mind taring any new girls).
Regards
Digby
ashten
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254 Posts
4/07
Posted - Dec 22 2007 : 11:37PM
I think guys know how to jerk themselves off to climax more than a women does since we masturbate so much. We know the right spot to hit to get us to cum, at least I do.
RandomPrecision
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3/06
Posted - Dec 23 2007 : 12:47AM
I think you're right. But no matter. They'll keep complaining. Even though there are at least two complete web sites dedicated to handjobs (and probably plenty of movies).
 
Endless Loop
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Posted - Dec 23 2007 : 1:36AM
Imo its all BS. Decades of watching porn, and there was never so much manual stroking of dick. I've long since avoided the titles that habitually shoot these, and yet it's so pervasive, it still creeps into virtually everything but the few titles now specifically denoting otherwise.
It's not even just the self stroking thats so bad, but the very real lack of interest these overworked porn studs are experiencing, and thus conveying through their reliant meatbeating thats making it so stagnant to witness.
Fact is, the bulk of the industry simply refuses to recognise it, and in the past year, it's admittedly resulted in driving much of my porn spending away from DVD's, to specifc online vendors who do.

Who? GGG for instance. Case in point, it's one that offers virtually nothing but stroke to pops, but the difference is all too clear. These guys can't get enough, their gruntin and groanin like stuck pigs, to toss each and every load as if its their last.
The bottom line is simple. The studios need to wake up to this obvious, straight forward demand the audience has been making, in this, what seems an endlessly perpetuating thread, stating..

"Enough already with the jerk to pops, its clear beyond a doubt, a crutch every stunt cock leans on, long after the candlewick's burnt out!"

Edited by - Endless Loop on 12/23/2007 2:35:43 AM

Dave_K99
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497 Posts
12/07
Posted - Dec 23 2007 : 8:31AM
There's a big difference between movies/sites dedicated to handjobs, and that simply being the way a scene ends. I don't have a handjob fetish, it'd get boring pretty quickly, I just don't find watching another guy jerk off very erotic. As other people have pointed out it often makes the performer look uninterested, like he'd be just as happy if they sent the chick out of the room and gave him a magazine.
It seems strange to me that people can get off more easily through masturbation than through actual contact with a woman. I'm as much of a wanker as anyone, but real sex, or even a handjob, is definitely preferable to doing it myself. Give me a fumbled handjob in the car over a night of porn and masturbation any day.
JONNYESS
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217 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 23 2007 : 11:12PM
I don't get it either.
If aim is a factor, the cock is too far away! I love watching the starlet make some "adjustments" during the pop scene, to get more in the way, more out of the way...whatever, but she's actively participating rather than just waiting while the guy blasts over her shoulder.
I think the growth of the industry over the past 20 years has diluted the talent pool, and there are more and more potbllied schlubs than ever, that can probably only get off if they do themselves.
In the golden years, I got the impression that marquis male talent was entitled to finish the job themselves, Peter N, Johnny Holes, etc. The starlests acted like it was a privelege to be on the receiving end. Not today.
backdoorman
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2776 Posts
10/07
Posted - Dec 23 2007 : 11:22PM
North didn't have to worry too much about missing cause there was always plenty to go around. I did see him miss often enough to wonder what it would have looked like if he hadn't. John Holmes always came like a runny nose. Truly pecker snot. No force behind it.
JONNYESS
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217 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 24 2007 : 1:02AM
I hear that. When I forst got into porn (late 70's maybe) I had no clue what I'd like, or dislke or where to start. I learned who Peter North and Johnny Wadd were because my dates needed to enjoy the flick too, and the guys were mostly hairy no names. But these guys were legends, one for size, one for volume. I'm thankful glad Peter was a good looking guy, because he was a good common denominator in our mutual viewing pleasure.
Holmes was actually more impressive for me during foreplay, as watching him grow along with the often fascinated actress was always a thrill. He was actually cursed with being too physically massive to achieve an actual rager, and I heard this often frustrated women he was with and he as well. I imagine it was like fucking a long sock. He was indeed an oozer as well, and occasionally had decent payloads, but was inconsistent. But like you say, there were a lot of times when I remember being disappointed at his weak load, especially as the volume guys started to captivate my preferences as far as male stars. Christ if Holmes had a decent payload, it would have changed everything from my perspective.
I have sinced gravitated towards the females who unabashedly prefer a larger load at the finish, for their own depraved needs. Attitude matters.
This is one reason why I happen to like the brief pre-blow bang interviews with the starlets. Yeah, the vast majority are fluff, but there's an occasional gem.
Peter is still with uis decade later, and he has a ton of features and compliations out there. Most are decent at a minimum, but for a guy that finished himself 99% of the time, he has about a 60% hit rate! How does this happen given his velocity and volume? (I'd often thought he had an arrangement that he would miss on purpose with the first enormous blasts.)
I bought recently a vid where the stars took the "Peter North challenge", reportedly knowing his reputation and determined to endure the test. It was only OK, looked like a compliation. I would have liked to see newbies who knew only of his rep, and discussed their technique and plans before going in. Or some major stars at least making believe they were newbies. Something.
Producers: C'mon guys, get it right! A lot of us connosieurs out here just need a little more attitude to improve the product. We've seen all the acts over and over, just tweaking the attitude can make a big difference.
JONNYESS
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217 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 24 2007 : 1:09AM
Related sidebar:
I stumbled this weekend onto a factoid that listed the world record cumshot at like 18' !! After wondering how the hell they figured this out I immediatley began to imagine the possibilites in the porno world.
This guy should be cloned for the porn industry alone Christ he could jerk off from the next room , and could be out of sight for most of the pop shot. His record vertical was over 12'.
I believe this was the same guy Xavier Hollander discussed in an 1980's forum, where she remarked he had 17 blasts. I liked her a lot more after reading this.
I need to someday find women who are equally fascinated by this prowess. To marry me.
Hypermastia
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6/07
Posted - Dec 24 2007 : 1:47AM
Fabulous-Looking Women Look So Fucking Cute With Semen On Their Face
Women Will Miss Their Own Face On Purpose
Men Always Take Aim To Propel Every Last squirt and dribble onto a gorgeous starlet's face
One need only to watch Peter North's "Deep Throat This Series" to appreciate the artistry of defilement by ejaculation
Never Seen 1 Woman Give Herself An Even Halfway Decent Facial
Digmen1
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629 Posts
7/07
Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 3:45PM
Hi Guys
From reading this thread and many others on the same subject I think that about 75% of us would rather see the girl finish the guy off.
Ok its is nice to wank onto a pretty girls face, but I much prefer her to do it herself in real life and in porn.
There is a new series that has the girls do it themselves. So we should all buy their movies so the directors get the concept that 75% of us prefer it this way. And they should make sure they hire girls that can do useful things with the cum (not make it land over their shoulder - though I must admit I have not seen this very often if at all)
The series is Head Case.
Regards
Digby
absynth
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8/06
Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 4:00PM
The excessive jerking off doesn't bother me nearly as much as the the male talent's inability to get even 1/4 of the load in the girl's awaiting mouth.
Operator
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91 Posts
11/03
Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 4:12PM
Just wanted to say that I have noticed a great majority of facial shots to be a major disappointment...
I don't claim to have all the answers, but I DO have some suggestions, and also some questions -
Questions
1) Why do porn star women have such trouble with facials?
2) Is it really that hard for women to smile, relax, and catch some sperm with her face?
I've seen some women do this AWESOME, yet the great majority don't come even close to being erotic with it.

Suggestions
1) Teach women to be erotic with facials
2) Don't put up with women who can't handle facials.
3) Teach the men how to be erotic with facials.
4) Don't put up with men who don't do it right.

 
Operator
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91 Posts
11/03
Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 4:13PM
Excellent points, I agree.
JONNYESS
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217 Posts
12/06
Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 5:04PM
Even so - I recently purchased the "Best of Deep Throat This", and must say there are still plenty of instances where Mr North himself totally missed the target, usually from point blank range.
Considering his history, not sure I understand how he miscalculates his own trajectory and range after so many many wonderful years of attempted} facial defilement.
noahped
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studioline
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8/07
Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 6:40PM
Very nice thread.
Wild Billy
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LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 1:38PM
Porn secret #4.....
There is actually almost no chemistry between the various performers. Occasionally, we'll see some and it's pretty obvious when it's there. But in reality, it's just two people going thru the motions to make a living, using their bodies to pay their bills. Nothing more or less. So the male performer HAS to jerk off to cum as it's easier and faster for him to visualize being with someone else than it is to actually "get off" on having sex with the girl in the scene.
Throw viagra and other dick-numbing drugs into the mix and they simply have no choice.
There ARE exceptions...but they are rare.
Porn is make believe. The jerk to pop part is just to get to the paycheck faster.
sdc
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236 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 3:43PM
I totally agree that this is a question of expediency but I just don't think that's good enough. It would be easier and cheaper for directors of mainstream films to accept flubbed lines but the audience presumably wouldn't stand for it. The numerous handjob movies demonstrate that a more 'realistic' (for want of a better term) conclusion to sex scenes is possible, so we're really talking about a lack of effort (and incentive).

Edited by - sdc on 1/1/2008 4:02:26 PM

TitStick
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1/08
Posted - Jan 26 2008 : 6:25PM
I have to add my voice to the no jack-off side. It pretty much sends the message that the guy is either gay or the girl so incompetent or uninterested that she doesn't know how to get him off at the right time and in the right place. And as far as the whole, "we're doing it for the cash" argument, part of "acting" is making it so that I - in the audience - think it is real. So figure it out - THAT is part of your job. And ladies, if you don't like cum (in your mouth, on your face, in your hair, on your tits, on your ass, on your tummy, in your pussy, in your ass... etc.), you need to find another career (or stick to girl-girl features).
Breetai
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7/07
Posted - Jan 27 2008 : 2:30AM
Well, I think a lot of people on here would scoff at the "make the audience think it's real" demand. A lot of people hold the view that porn is and always will be fake and obviously so -- or they just don't care about "realism", or they want something that's obviously "fantasy". Fair enough.
However, I still agree with you and would suggest the alternate standard the guys should be held to is, "we should see them doing what we'd like to think we'd be doing in the same situation." Which is to say, we wouldn't fuck a girl in every hole from every position for half an hour and then at the end, have to spend several minutes STROKING OFF just to squeeze out a small load of cum that falls short of her nose. If any of us hooked up with some incredibly hot chick for a one-night stand, that's NOT the way we'd want to sex to end!
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