You're right that the women you mention fit the contract girl and I'm quite happy they don't. I really don't want to lose any great performers like those mentioned to the often dull sex scenes of VIVID and WICKED (and often DP). I think it would be great if those companies did have a black contract girl but not those girls or any great performer who've have to give watered down performances to fit in.
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Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 10:30PM
The whole idea of expecting a company have a black contract girl is little more that forced tolerance which is just as offensive as racism. In case anyone's forgotten, the whole idea of having a contract girl is to capitalize on her popularity and to increase sales. I'm sure that if there truly was a really hot black girl in porn she'd rise to the top and someone would snap her up. But since noone's snapped up a black performer to be a contract girl I'd guess that no company really feels that its worthwhile to have one. Bottom line is that there really isn't that many hot black females in porn. And yes I know there's Marie Luv and Jada Fire which are the 1st two names that get thrown out; but after that, you couldn't field a baseball team with non ghetto types.
^ Seriously whenever a legitament racial issue in porn is brought up there's always reverse racism bullshit arguement brought up by the detractors. Now I honestly couldn't care less whether any of those three boring overrated porn studios gets a black contract girl. But don't push this garbage that everything is so racially harmonious and that racism doensn't exsist at all in the industry. Racism exsists to some degree in virtually any industry. They may be responding primarily to what their audiance wants, but I suspect it runs deeper than that. Edited by - Christopher256 on 1/12/2010 1:02:09 AM
he forgot Alicia Tyler. . . .although, she's probably retired, I've yet to see her in anything in forever. didn't Ayana Angel come back??? it's REALLY hard to get the more attractive sistas in the world to do porn (I'm talking your Keri Hilsons and your Stacey Dash's and your Halle Berry's and your Rihanna's and your Jennifer Hudsons and your Gabrielle Unions and your Aisha Tylers and women who look like that. .they won't do it. . . . . ) I mean, seriously hard most of them find it too degrading and want to succeed in some other way that does not involve sex, considering how much they look down on other girls who do it the way i just put that is still going to sound AWFUL to somebody Edited by - cm37564 on 1/12/2010 7:49:00 AM
It would be great if they did. Black girls did occasionally make appearances in Vivid and Wicked Pictures back in the day. I'm sure that in Jenna Jameson's Conquest (was this Vivid?) and Wicked Weapon there are black females. Maybe my memory is going. Edited by - Stud_Rob on 1/12/2010 4:45:11 PM
Yeah I have began 4 posts over the past 3 days, with the intent of making the same point you did, but ended up scrapping them every time. I think it's too subtle a point for a bloodthirsty crowd, too easily misunderstood/misinterpreted and too easily twisted by the troublemakers. But I know exactly what you are trying to say. And I agree completely.
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Posted - Jan 12 2010 : 5:38PM
I know I'm going to regret breaking my nearly five month boycott of The Porn Pool, but since one of my clients is referenced in the header of this thread I have little choice. Regarding Wicked Pictures, I've been in this business professionally for 19 years, and the owner of Wicked is absolutely one of the nicest and most truly colorblind individuals I've met in that time - in or out of the business. Simply put, he signs the girl - not their ethnicity. That's all I have to say. I won't be revisiting this thread and if the creek don't rise hopefully it'll be at least another five months before I have to stick another toe into the Pool. Be nice to each other, because it all comes back. Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow Edited by - DM/PR on 1/12/2010 5:46:34 PM
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Posted - Jan 12 2010 : 6:47PM
Vivid has had 3 black contract stars. When one comes along that qualifies as Vivid material we would sign her. Please get your facts straight Mac. We had Taya, Chelsea Sinclar, and Heather Hunter. So please do not accuse us of not having black stars. Heather was with us for a very long time. Please tell me one black starlet that looks like Halle Berry, we will sign her tomorrow.
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Posted - Jan 12 2010 : 6:52PM
If you check the reviews you will see Vivid made a huge turnaround this last year. Our boxes and movies are harder and much nastier. Tame is not in Vivids vocabulary right now. Don't believe me, check the reviews on this site.
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Posted - Jan 12 2010 : 6:55PM
Well will we see an Black Jenna Jameson in the near future.
Not only will you never see a black Jenna jameson, but you will never see another white Jenna Jameson. Jenna is in a class all by herself. If there is another Jenna out there, we would sign her, black, white or purple.
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Posted - Jan 12 2010 : 7:08PM
Ida Ljungqvist become the first born African to be Playmate of the Year in 2009. It she did porn then Vivid or Wicked would get her get her right way. We would sign her today, send her in. You also have to ask some questions too, when looking at contract stars, how many scenes have they shot already. Who have they worked for? What are they willing to do? We sign the girl, not the color.
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Posted - Jan 12 2010 : 7:11PM
Vivid had more nominations than any other company this year number one. Number two Vivid won more awards for Throat than most companies won for all their movies. If you check the reviews on every site including this one, you would know that Vivid is putting out great product. So your comments are ridiculous.
C'mon now three in twenty-five years. Of the thousands of black women who have walked through your door or have entered or attempted a career in the adult industry, none since Heather Hunter has met Vivid standards?. If I were to venture an opinion from observation, I'd say Halle Berry couldn't get a spot on vivid's roster.
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Posted - Jan 12 2010 : 7:44PM
Wicked none, DP none. Heather was with us 8 of those 25 years. If she wanted to shoot again we would shoot her. There has never been 1000s, let alone 100s who have walked thru Vivids door. Halle Berry would be signed tomorrow. Have her call me.
Wow. You'll sign an international celebrity who has already made a name for themselves. Big whoop. That doesn't really speak to the posters in this thread's concerns, though. Will you sign an UNKNOWN black woman of comparable beauty and MAKE her a household name, or at the very least, a name amongst porn consumers? THAT is the question. History shows that not too many feature companies have a great track record of doing such. Not a diss, just a fact. [Link]
I could care less for the most part if the companies mentioned had a black contract girl or not but...I would think they'd think about trying one out just to see if it was a successful venture. As I stated before it's very likely those companies have some black viewers, and/or some (white) viewers who find black women attractive. Each one of the studios mentioned has had plety of white female pornstars who haven't been that successful/popular so why not take a chance and give a black girl the same chance to fail? Just from a marketing/business aspect it would make sense to at least try it.I don't see that as being true. There have been and still are good looking black girls who pop up in the lower budget all black movies and really don't break free from that class of movies for whatever reason. No, there aren't a lot of them but there are and have been some who'd fit the bill. As far as looks go, when it comess to the body type of a possible contract girl there are girls who have the body needed. Facially, I really think there are more girls who could pull it off than people think. In many of those lower budget movies the make-up is horrible. There are girls who look beautiful (black and white) when they're shooting for the higher end studios/companies and look kinda rough when they shoot for some of the smaller companies. Proper make-up (and lighting) makes a big difference.Marie and Jada's names get tossed out mostly because they're the most well known. They're most well known because they're among the best performers out there. Marie Luv could be a contract girl for the companies named because she has the type of looks that audience feels comfortable with. Jada is a very nice looking woman but she's too dark and ethnic looking for that audience. If you notice when people start naming beautiful mainstream black women they almost always name light skinned women with more traditional "white" features like being under a certain weight, full but not big lips, thin nose, straight hair, not too curvy, etc... Jada doesn't fit the profile but there are black girls who do. If you toss in mixed race women who can pass for black and the list gets considerably longer. Again, we don't need a black contract and we seem to be doing just fine without one but it seems strange that the companies named wouldn't try (or in VIVID's case try another) one today.
Please don't go. Some of us appreciate the time that insiders such as yourself put into this board. I agree that people should not be signed because of their color but because of their looks and talent. Find a black woman with the talent and looks of Julia Ann or Stormy Daniels and I am sure Woody (and his boss Steve) would sign her in a minute (with Wicked wanting her as well, I am sure). Oh, and you have to prove it with pictures.
<~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well said Mr. Jones ;) like seriously what is the point of saying they'd sign Halle Berry AS IF she actually needs a porn contract. The sad thing is I think it'd probably take an Oscar winner or someone who is already established in mainstream to be a black contract girl which clearly wouldn't happen. The logic makes no sense to me, I mean like someone else mentioned prior as many contract girls that vivid or some of these other companies go through I don't get why they shouldn't at least try one black/ mixed chick. Oh and yea I do think there are some contract worthy girls that fit the criteria I just don't think anyone has opened their eyes to even attempt to look ;0) Ciao
didn't you have Lacey Duvalle too?? I'm glad people got the point I was trying to make earlier, and have in fact made the same point before.
I think if anything they'd get some chick who dyes her hair blonde like Beyonce. . . . . (I probably wouldn't watch that) Edited by - cm37564 on 1/13/2010 7:34:00 AM
yep, exactly their family would straight DISOWN them (take it from a brotha, they get pissed if you listen to metal. . .doing porn? fuck) I will be looking up this Amber Easton too. I wonder how that happened. Edited by - cm37564 on 1/13/2010 7:40:40 AM
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Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 10:07AM
Yeah, right Hollywood Woody! You and I and many others out there know That Vivid, Wicked or DP is like Fox News. They only cater to the white males of middle America who are Republican Conservatives who don't like blacks and white women who do black males. Let's say you get a black Jenna, she'll probably be very light skinned and really wouldn't look black and she won't be fucken black males. Let's say you get a white Jenna Jameson, she would have to be blond and thin and not fuck black males. Let's say she did fuck a couple black males before you guys sign her on for a contract. She would have to stop cold turkey on fucking any black males to sell. There has been female porn stars who've worked for Vivid, like Dasha, she claims she couldn't do black males, not because she was racists of course not, she's from Europe. Because Vivid wouldn't allow it to happen for her. Let's say if Vivid and Wicked signed ladies like Sasha Grey, Bobbi Star, Lexi Belle, Katie St.Ives and many other beautiful white women who've done black men for other companies. Would you guys continue to allow them to do interracial. Let me answer that for you, the answer is (HELL NO)! Oooops, let me take that back you wouldn't sign them in the first place, because they've been touched by black males. lol Tell me if I'm wrong
Lavish Styles looks a lot like Rihanna. I think she could well. Edited by - pokerman on 1/13/2010 11:17:41 AM
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Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 11:28AM
^ ^ Yeah, Lavish Styles could be a contract girl for Vivid and Wicked, because it's up their alley she's light skinned and she doesn't fuck black males. Edited by - Chi - Bear 85 on 1/13/2010 11:29:27 AM
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Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 11:29AM
In Vivid's defense, they have gotten Monique Alexander and Savanna Sameson to IR recently. Taylor Hayes and Lexus also did IR for them in the past. I would be nice though, to see Vivid get some of there "fresher" contract girls to a couple of IR scenes. As for Wicked and DP, i doubt that you'll ever see any of their girls do IR (though Kaylani did recently do an IR scene); I don't think they care to much about their ethnic fan base (shit their was even a rumor awhile back that Adrenalynn was released from her DP contract, because she was half-black), or maybe the dollars from their ethnic fan base isn't enough to make them care.
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Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 11:46AM
I was always surpised that no company jumped to sign Adrenalynn (Half-Black) after she was dropped from DP. I'm not one of her biggest fans, but i think she looks better then 90% of all girls that currently have contracts.
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Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 11:51AM
Also if I owned a company, I would jump to sign Lisa Lee (half-black) to contract. Especially if I was looking to try and gain more minority fans.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 12:36PM
I replied to someone who stated that we would not sign Halle Berry. I simply replied we would. But don't worry, she is not going to do porn so the joke is moot. We would sign anyone that looked like her. I think that is the point. We, again, have signed black girls in the past, we have done very well with them. I distribute the Karrin Steffins movie, we shoot inter racial all the time. I have not seen a black star or potential star that is worth signing. If one comes along we would sign her.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 12:46PM
Not only are you wrong, but you are wrong on just about every point. Check out our series Blackmaled, Janine gets Blackmaled, Savanna gets Blackmaled, and Monique gets Blackmaled. We never told Dasha she could not do IR. Vivid is not Republican by any stretch of the imagination. We have shoot Sasha Grey many times, she is not interested in a contract. She was the star of the award winning Throat. So you are way off base.
As much as I respect most of what Woody Hollywood has to say, I disagree with him on one thing: he had always maintained that companies have no say in girls not doing IR. The girls will tell you otherwise. I know in some cases, it is the girls' decision but to say that agents, producers and major comapnies have nothing to do with it isn't credible.
As much as I respect most of what Woody Hollywood has to say, I disagree with him on one thing: he had always maintained that companies have no say in girls not doing IR. The girls will tell you otherwise. I know in some cases, it is the girls' decision but to say that agents, producers and major companies have nothing to do with it isn't credible. As far as Vivid is concerned, whether they do IR or sign black girls or not, no one can deny that they put great movies out and are the best of the best.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 3:11PM
Woody, it's clear to me that most people on this site don't understand the concept of having a contract girl in house. Could you enlighten those who do not understand the thought process that goes into signing someone to a contract; such as, why you've signed her, what you hope to accomplish with her, and obligations that each side has? If it's all double secret probation type of stuff as far as the competition is concerned, I'll understand. Thanks.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 3:17PM
I said Vivid has never told a girl she couldn't do anal, I cannot speak for the rest of the industry. For us, it is no problem. We did the Blackmaled series and are still doing it. I will keep you posted on the next one coming out. Fuck it, I'll tell you now, Savannas Been Blackmaled 2 will release in the next few months.
Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. George Carlin 1567 Posts 2/07
Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 3:30PM
Good point. It is quite simple. We look for a combination of things, beauty, personality, if she has worked before, and how good is her sex. We don't care what color someone is, we care that she is someone everyone will want to see. We hire the person, not the race. Vivid is very good at marketing a new performer, we have been doing it for 25 years. I think you will see that we are the business model for all other companies that hire contract girls. We invest a ton of time and money to make sure we have the right person. I do not think someone like Lavish is Vivid material. First why hire a black girl that won't have sex with black guys? Mr. Marcus is one of my favorite performers and people. To deny him the pleasure to work with one of our girls would be wrong. The girls choose who they want to work with. For us that is. We try to make someone as appealing to the largest crowd as possible. I think we have a great line up, Lia is going to be big. Nikki Jayne already is big. Sunny Leone rocks. Savanna is nothing less than beautiful. A.J Baily is very hot and sells very well. That is our goal. Something for everybody. If some exceptional Black performer comes along, I am sure he'd be interested.
maybe physically Lavish Styles may fit the bill but if any of yall have met her she is ghetto as hell (no offense) I don't think vivid dp or wicked would put up with her for a min... U should see her in the strip club like the epitome of hoodrat. True story ask anyone else who's met her....
I'm afraid that's not the case. VIVID didn't get Savanna to do IR...VIVID finally gave in to Savanna's requests to do IR. Savanna was on Howard Stern and said she had been trying to VIVID to let her do an IR scene for quite awhile and they said no. She said they finally let her do one. She couldn't understand why it was such a big deal.
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Posted - Jan 13 2010 : 9:09PM
Whether they asked her to do it,or she told them she wanted to do it, was not the point I was trying to make. I was simply trying to point out that some of vivid's contract girls had done ir. that is all.
um, if a big company does snap up Amber Easton, I hope someone shoots some gonzo with her first. I did not know that about Adrenalynn. I'm all about her. (yay for suicidegirl porn) (I'd not seen Lavish Styles either. She is rather Rihanna like, yes.) Edited by - cm37564 on 1/13/2010 9:27:46 PM
VIVID actually does hire women who've been touched by black males. Lannie Barbie was one of my fav pornstars....until she went to VIVID. She was beautiful, a great performer who hard scenes including anal, DP (if I remember correctly) and IR on a fairly regular basis. When it was announced she'd signed with VIVID as far as I was concerned she might as well had quit the biz. I knew as soon as she was a VIVID girl the Lannie Barbie I liked as a performer was over. Last year just out of curiosity (and a very marked down DVD) I checked out Lannie in a VIVID movie and it was just as I thought...A very watered down Lannie. That's not really a knock on VIVID per se. I understand They have a different audience who likes and expects a certain type of movie, girl, and sexual performance. I also guess I can understand why a girl might want to be a contract girl. But honestly, it's no fun seeing a "Gonzo" girl you like and have seen doing so many "nasty" (in a good way) performances then have her become a contract girl and doing...contract girl scenes. I was also a big fan of Bree Olsen before she became a contract girl but now have no desire to see her current work. Not that it's "bad" but it's not what I want to see from her.
Sorry. A mistake on my part. When you started with "In VIVID's defense..." I took it as you were implying that VIVID had stepped up a somehow gotten those girls to do IR and it was VIVID's idea for them to do so.
Posted - Jan 11 2010 : 7:39PM
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