Putalocura.com has died in a scandal, spermswallowers.com rarely updates,GGG only updates new material 1-2 times a month and as good as legalporno.com is at nasty gangbangs their male talent can't produce enough cum to choke a frog. Quick look at the pornstarnetwork.com shows the most popular sites out of 52 as: 1) spermcocktail.com 2) covermyface.com 3) loadmymouth.com #'s 8,9 and 11 are also sperm sites. So my question is if it's too hard to do in the USA why doesn't someone create content like those sites and go the legal porno route where they sell the content to legal porno, personally I could care less how the people at legal porno make it work it's just obvious there is a market for this stuff, spermcocktail.com has been #1 for about 10 years now and hasn't had an update in 6 years!
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jeffandersonn Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 14 2016 : 7:23AM
Torbe built an empire just shooting Gokkun/ bukkake scenes. winning formula was: amateur girls and amateur male talents, he was located in Spain ( madrid/barcellona ), so don't start saying life cost is lower bla bla bla now that he's in jail, his network is dead. Lots of scenes will never be released.
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jeffandersonn Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 14 2016 : 7:38AM
US biz is very strange, ten years ago there were more of this kind of scenes because directors liked them, they shot regardless the profit they made, they were true pornographers. And they cared about the final result, now directors do not teach performers how to perform, that's why the few scenes of these days are lame compared to the old stuff. directors do not care about the guys they are hiring, so many guys are well known for not produce a visible popshot but they get booked for no reason, same guys litterally cum on the floor or miss the target even the scene must end with a massive swallow, directors fucked up scenes by using dog collar ( wtf?!, see chanel preston's disaster massive facials scene for elegant angel, or stella cox interracialblowbang for Dogfartnetwork) girls keep their eyes closed, or do not open their mouth enough to receive the loads ....and the list goes on details that make great scenes of the past and lame the scenes of these days
the problem as it is 1. piracyeves 2. The american biz seem to now be completely starlet and star orientated so all the performers cost a shit load more im guessing, than say using the girls that are more amaeurish or from less high class agencies. If this is not the case then i have to know how the fuck sites like facial abuse can afford to shoot at least one girl a week to basically get legally abused. why the hell cant these top studios pay the same girls to do frankly a lot more tame gangbangs/bukkakes/swallows? a lot of us would love it :) I guessing this is the case with male talent as well, most of the male talent nowadays are not that great, trouble staying hard etc and wtf has been going on in the load shooting department, most guys seem to just have a dribble nowadays with a few exceptions or have been in the biz for way too long. hell some of the guys at putalocura perform better than some of these top notch star male perfomers. Girls always have their hair and makeup done, wearing fancy outfits in top notch locations. I dont know about you but i couldnt care less how well dressed/make up covered a girl is. the amateurish look is a hella turn on for me and lot of other guys. Also the location matters squat, in my opinion some of the greatest scenes ever shot were filmed in brandon irons orange room so why waste the money on a ridiculous mansion/pool location. too sum up - in my opinion piracy and i think the american adult industry has priced itself out of the market with overpaid and overpriced locations/stars/makeup artists etc when just a room and a girl is more than enough for a lot of the audience. as putalocura and sites like facial abuse prove cos they are clearly successful enough to support themselves cos they make content people will actually pay for on a regular basis. so i think the second point is nearly as important as the first. to put it into perspective i used to spend around 300 dollars a year or more on pornos, now im lucky to spend 100, due to the lack of buy worthy content. always the same girls with always the same guys its freaking boring, when things were more amateurish there seemed to be a lot more girls doing a lot dirtier things, maybe there still is they just dont get used. this is just my opinion so apologies if any of it is wrong.
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rambo99ca Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 : 12:38AM
Yes piracy is a real concern but it doesn't seem to bother the legalporno model, I'm sure they know the popularity of massive swallowing/Bukkake so my question remains, who steps out and shoots such stuff for them? Brandon, are you listening?
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jeffandersonn Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 : 6:02AM
massive swallow blowbangs is what US porn need. there are enough facial blowbangs out there
Good topic and good opinions. Agree there really needs to be more cum swallowing sites out there like sperm cocktail. Very sad when it ended. Ggg has some good stuff but the production is haphazard. I think piracy did effect it because those more amateur sites can't affor or get the technical support to keep them safe from hackers. But there are plenty of amateur sites still out there. I do think in mainstream porn the performance of a lot of guys is looked over for general looks. I'm short it be great to see a site of average joes with big loads and new amateur girls, or pros, swallowing lots of loads. Be great it anyone knows if any sites like that
It really does seem like this kind of thing has fallen out of vogue for the time being - at least with the producers themselves. It seems crazy to me as cum / bukkake /blowbangs etc seem as popular as ever on the tube sites and even much more accepted in amateur circles. The amount of amateur couples on Tumblr who will make their own cum-related content is crazy and it kind of bums me out when I see an amateur reposting bukkake gifs and them pop to a professional site and see the same generic porn with the same generic stars. As others mentioned, perhaps it IS the studios' desire to 'play it safe' with known stars and content (much like in Hollywood) that brings us to the state we have today where every site looks like every other site. I really miss the days of sites such as cumonherface where the women were in many ways 'amateur' and diverse and the shoots felt more personal and fun. Diversity and fun is definitely what is missing at the moment. Creativity is at an all time low.
Gentlemen I don't want to piss on your parade but the simple truth is that bukkake/swallow/gokkun was always a fringe fetish. The Germans and Japanese were huge producers of that type of fetish and it can be argued that they still are but the rest of Europe and America never really was. As far as I know Extreme Associates and JM Production are about the only two companies that were big on this type of fetish and both are long dead. Be glad that you got many years worth of this from a variety of sources and try to pick something less fringe to enjoy.
It's just that movie producers these days don't give a damn for talent when it comes to bukkake. The best bukkakes are ones in which the element of acting comes heavily into play. The actress needs to really emote that she loves getting doused in cum instead of remaining static waiting for the guys to empty their balls on her face (Romi Rains blowbang for HardX comes to mind). Now compare such lackluster scenes with non blowbang scenes where talent like Veronica Avluv, Mercedes Carrera & Veruca James literally pant with bated breath to get their face splattered with cum. As a porn consumer I know I'm not gonna be disappointed when I watch their scenes. Regardless of the fucked up directors and lame ass dudes who can't aim, the girls ensure the pop shots coat them from forehead to chin. Mercedes Carrera, for example, adjusts her position to get every drop on her mug. I still can't forget her scorching scene with Manuel in Milfomaniac 2. Or that awesome slathering Chessie Kay extracted in that cumperfection scene. That's called talent. Without any doubt, we know that any director can get awesome blowbang scenes shot if they get the right talent. Edited by - sprayedwithjizz on 9/21/2016 4:08:12 AM
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jeffandersonn Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 21 2016 : 4:53AM
the author of this thread was talking about massive swallow blowbangs, not facials.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 21 2016 : 4:59AM
Your numbers for the top websites are way off. Brandon Iron and Mike John/Von Swine were the main American producers of this content and they all went broke.
I know what you mean, but don't necessarily agree. While bukkake in the strictest sense (50 men and a woman sitting still) and especially gokkun in the Japanese style are / were more niche, all of these things on a smaller scale are certainly not fringe fetishes. All the big companies have produced multiple facial / cumshot / blowbang movies and swallowing a few loads isn't something that is particularly hard to find.
Based on Urban Dictionary a bukkake only needs a minimum of 8 men. What you are describing was JM Production series of bukkake movies where there was one woman and large crowd of men all waiting to ejaculate on her. They made a bunch of them so it must have had a willing to pay fan base because these precede tube and torrent sites but I still say that bukkakes is a fringe fetish. Of course I detest facials so you can just imagine how I feel about bukkakes so maybe I'm bias.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 22 2016 : 12:19PM
^ JM has also stopped producing any content, which is telling. There no gap for opportunity here unless the opportunity is for a producer to throw their money down a hole. Hard X said one mass facial video a year is what is viable with the current cost and revenue of those scenes.
^You are more generous than me because I would have said that JM died about 6-7 years ago. They had a slew of different movies featuring the OP's favorite fetish and they couldn't survive the recession.
Yes, I'm listening! Haven't had much to say since I stopped putting out dvds in 2013. Currently looking for a new home for dvd distribution but I realise it's a long shot. I'd be happy to shoot content similar to spermcocktail or covermyface for anyone who wants to finance it. I'm easy to reach, too! brandon@brandoniron.com
I agree with whoever said its not profitable(paraphrasing). In fact I don't see how most of what you guys on adt love are profitable.
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jeffandersonn Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 25 2016 : 2:14PM
hey Brandon, could you please enlight us about the cost of ten guys blowbang, massive swallow finish? what does it cost nowadays? from paying performers, location, makeup etc etc.
I find it interesting that it seems to be so hard in America and Europe to produce swallowing porn with the same quality as say the old Brandon Iron, Mike John, Jules jordan or old GGG movies. Or some of the "American Gokkun" series. To me, the multiple load swallowing scenes Brandon Iron produced on the "A good source of iron" dvd:s and Spermcocktail.com is maybe the best shot and directed swallowing/Gokkun scenes ever, including most of japanese gokkun. Recently only Putalocura has produced swallowing content with good quality, and with good quality i mean with focus on big loads filling up an open mouth, and then swallowed. Brandon Iron was (Is?) the master on shoting scenes like this. When Jules Jordan, Jonnie Darko, GGG or Legal porno shots swallowing scenes in later years, they just can't get it right, which is a shame as they got beautiful girls willing to swallow mulltiple loads. But they don't seem to understand how to get it right. The Focus should be on loads filling up the mouth, not on a couple of guys splattering weak cumshots here and there. These days i mostly watch the older scenes i have, for new content i go (or did go to, whats going on there, is Torbe sentenced or just arrested?) to Putalocura or to japanese gokkun movies like the ASW series. In japan a lot of good swallowing dvd:s are still produced, if you can stand the censured/pixelated penises an vaginas. But i have to say, even the japanese new content often fails to reach the same quality as their older stuff. And if you don't have to see multiple loads swallowed at once, i think gloryholeswallow.com have some really good stuff with mostly amateur girls. Here the quality is very real. By the way, in the western world for some reason "Bukkake" has come to cover both facials and swallowing, but the correct japanese term for swallowing movies, which is what we are talking about here, is "Gokkun", not "Bukkake".
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rambo99ca Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 25 2016 : 6:15PM
From what I understand LP will buy the scene after you shoot it. have you contacted them?
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 26 2016 : 4:10AM
'Broke' as in no longer producing massive swallow material or working for JM. I know you still do one-on-one scenes for the web but there is no company attached anymore. Same thing happened to Mike and Von Swine. They seem to have completely disappeared though.
I think you may be thinking of the movie Fields of Dreams because you film it they will buy it is a really bad idea unless you already have an ironclad contract that guarantees that you will be paid "X" amount for videos and even then you might still get shafted. A producer could sue the studio for breach of contract but realistically speaking even after the producer wins in court. He will still be the loser for the time and expanse it took to get his money back. In fact I'd argue that he is better off writing the loss and moving on.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 26 2016 : 6:15PM
That is an exclusive deal between LP and a few other producers. Brandon could do worse than reach out though, since Sineplex continues to not pay performers and LP has claimed that they would stop working with them if it continued this could be an opportunity.
He is misinformed if he meant that, too. I stopped putting out dvds because checks from JM Productions would not cover the costs of replicating, artwork, printing, etc. I have hundreds of scenes that were never released on dvd yet I continue to support myself through my content.
LP gave me a tour of their studio in 2014 and I enjoyed meeting them. They offered work as an actor but I was honest and said I could not perform at that level. Still a fan of their productions.
I rode a camel today at the Maspalomas sand dunes on Gran Canaria. By your logic, am I'm too broke to drive a car? I produced and directed 3 sites of the 52 sites on Pornstarnetwork. As of today, even without updates, I'm ranked #1, #2, and #3 for spermcocktail, covermyface, and loadmymouth respectively. All my content is attached to Brandon Iron Productions and I couldn't ask for a better partner. In the last year, I opened a clips store with Manyvids (brandoniron.manyvids.com) and partnered with PornHub for my own channel ([link removed: No tube sites] . I'm ranked #8 out of 874 studios on Manyvids and have been in the Top 10 earners since I started.
Just shows how stupid people can be, just about every clip(287 of them) you sell for $4.00 on manyvids is at least 5 years old and one can get all of them for $30.00 by joining the pornstarnetwork. Amazing. I'm jealous that you can pull this off.
There are many people who buy on impulse or collect scenes from their favourite performers. They do not want to join a network for a month and appreciate a low-cost alternative. I don't think that's stupid at all, appreciate the support, and will continue to add new content. Scenes shot in 4K in the last month will be added in the next few weeks. Also, I offer store items for fans of all orientations (underwear, custom dick pics, Skype showers, and solo videos).
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - Sep 29 2016 : 10:17AM
Bazinga!
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jeffandersonn Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 29 2016 : 12:50PM
well, if you do a little research and give us some numbers maybe we can set up a crowdfunding campaign
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
On the licking stick, Mr. Magic Dick! 3309 Posts 2/09
Posted - Sep 29 2016 : 4:08PM
Well, if you're inclined to spend money via crowd funding, I'm going to be setting up a Go Fund Me account for a Teddy Bear Toss in the next few weeks. Proceeds will be used to buy stuffed toys and distributed to children stuck in hospitals over the holidays. This eventt will be coordinated with a professional hockey team and the event has been very successful in the past.
I agree. Can't believe how many willing mouths are left empty. Male "talent" with poor aim cannot be paid; I would have them beaten & unpaid on the way out. No performance, no pay. It would seem that fetish remains & I need dvd's, but if I cant hold it in my hand, it's not a real thing. Physical Media or else.
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Posted - Sep 30 2016 : 1:48AM
The fact that less than 24 hours after he posted that, he's in here hawking "custom dick pics and Skype showers" kind of un-bazingas it, don't you think?
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rambo99ca Deactivated User
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Posted - Sep 30 2016 : 3:57AM
What hockey team? There's a junior A team in Calgary that does this every year, they call it the Teddy Bear Toss, when the home team scores their 1st goal it rains stuffed animals. Over 30,000 I believe!
Dude, you're the best when it cums to finding talent. I remember how you'd made regular starlets into hotties that were begging to get coated in cum. Kya tropic and India summer...who could forget the massive drenching they got. Right now there's no one in the business who can shoot blow bang scenes better than you man. All you need is a 4K rig which ain't too expensive. And you can still rake in tons of cash.
Selling used underwear has been unexpectedly popular and I have no problem with anything that any consenting adult does. Personally, I draw the line at wearing adult diapers. Not sure why. It Depends.
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