Will there ever be realsex in MainstreamHW movies? (page 2)

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torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00	Posted - Sep 15 2009 : 3:34PM shank wrote: I think there wont be any significant unsimulated sex in mainstream movies, because if they can obtain the same effect with simulated sex why bother? Most high grade actors may not consent to explicit sex on screen; or if they do they need to be paid sky high! So it rather limits the scope. Click to expand http://www.rarelicenseddvds.com/dvds-with-actress-nudity-mainstream-goes-explicit-c-30_33.html?osCsid=548687c7e3c6e448895cd638c970d88e Paste in to this site alone that has dozens of movies with explicit sex scenes, including wet shots, in mainstream films. Not all of them Euro cinema. I bought Romance, Brown Bunny and Nine Songs at my local Virgin (rip) Records store in Salt Lake City. [Link]
Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05	Posted - Sep 15 2009 : 9:29PM I'm not expecting XXX material to wander in to "mainstream" over night. The question is will it ever happen. If at the dawn of the 20th century someone had suggested, that before long woman, at beach would be displaying their navels, much less their camel toes, they would have been considered a mad pervert. We have come a long way baby....and I don't think that it is going to stop anytime soon. [Link]
Bluto Deactivated User 511 Posts 3/09	Posted - May 5 2010 : 9:57PM Eliminate imagination and you have boredom. [Link]
Agent_Zigzag Member 242 Posts 9/09	Posted - May 7 2010 : 10:02PM Great topic and comments people. And your input is priceless Kristina Rose! [Link]

WardqueenJanine Member 914 Posts 2/08	Posted - May 8 2010 : 9:19AM I'd have to guess that the answer is probably not between mainstrean actors and actresses but the chink in the armor might be a feature that mentions the topic of porn within the storyline. In that case there may be an clip or a scene featuring porn actors/actresses inserted. This would be similar to a "Walk on" of a pornstar. This would allow them to get the film by with and "R" rating and market it mainstream. [Link]
Dr. Nasty Senior Member Asa Akira.....Damn! 3797 Posts 9/05	Posted - Aug 20 2010 : 1:00AM This outcome is looking a little closer to becoming a reality.It seems as though mainstream is starting to warm up to porn and pornstars more now than before. I am waiting for the day where someone takes the full step in this direction to break the first barriers. ***The Dr. of Nasty*** [Link]
Dr. Nasty Senior Member Asa Akira.....Damn! 3797 Posts 9/05	Posted - Jan 14 2011 : 3:54PM I just watched 9 songs the other day. While it isn't really Mainstream it was a leap that the production team took to portray the relationship of the characters to the fullest. Shame that Hollywood hasn't taken those leaps yet. They are still warming up to pornstars a bit more, but it is still a prudish, uptight society. Hell, - 1 or 2 movies I can't recall Hollywood ever even showing an actual vagina on the Big Screen. Cock and Balls seem to be fine though. That's sad. lol! ***The Dr. of Nasty*** [Link]
Karloff Deactivated User 319 Posts 7/10	Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 8:16AM Better without. [Link]
UnkwnUsr2 Member 443 Posts 2/05	Posted - Feb 9 2011 : 9:58AM I'm sure Yahweh will make it happen, and it best be interracial too. [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 6:05PM omfg this is my TOPIC how did I miss it the first time around. First, the whole idea of a ratings system is HYPOCRITICAL one, created and currently supported mostly by people who don't want their kids to hear Colin Firth say FUCK in a historical drama but who teach them to worship A GOD OF GENOCIDE, RAPE AND CHILD-HALVING every Friday or Sunday in churches and temple and mosques. This topic is in perfect timing for the current film Blue Valentine which is on everyone's tongue because of its awards. It originally got an NC 17. Second, there isn't an official MPAA Ratings Board X-rating anymore. X was what they used before NC-17 started being used. They dropped it because porn stole it Third, the movie industry chose to rate their own movies instead of having the government rate them (like in other countries do). This protects the movie industry from that kind of political pressure. As much as I disagree with the ratings board, I'd rather have had them for all these years than Nixon or Bush appointees. Then again...it might be fun if we went Canadian-style and had every state choose its own ratings. Fourth, the TV Parental Guidelines are awesome. They were designed to be used with V-chips so that people could control their own TV's content. Plus, there's not as much at stake as with movie ratings. Most importantly, the networks decide themselves. Oddly, sports and news don't have to be rated (and they're often the most violent thing on TV), but that's probably because they're mostly live. The fascinating thing to me is that this means that cable and pay channels can kinda do what they want in terms of content. Pay-cable shows frequently push the sexuality boundaries nowadays. "Tell Me You Love Me" was a great HBO (?) show with plenty of explicit sex (I think the penises were dildos, though). fifth! no...stop, Sue...and breathe. [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 6:15PM Both Barbara Hershey and David Carradine (who lived together for several years) insisted their sex scene in Martin Scorsese's early grindhouse feature Boxcar Bertha was authentic, and simply shot and edited to avoid showing penetration. Considering they were both self-described free-lovin' hippies at the time and Scorsese was an unknown getting his first shot at making a sexploitation movie, it's not hard to believe Either way, the scene wasn't overly choreographed - at one point Barbara's long hair gets tangled up in her rings and they both work to free them for several seconds while not breaking their rhythm. It's a great scene. Roads To Moscow / Twitter: @roadstomoscow [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 6:38PM If you have Netflix you need to watch a documentary called This Film Is Not Yet Rated. It gives insight into the ratings board that no one ever gets to see. The premise is they hire a private detective to find out who every single member of the ratings board is. The climax of the documentary is, funnily, the documentary itself going through the ratings process. And to top it all off it's on streaming so you can watch it now. Just so everyone's on the same page, the real reason that NC-17 (formerly X) ratings matter is because the National Association of [corporate] Theater Owners will not show anything that gets an NC17. Only indie theaters show them. And back when they were relevant, Blockbuster and Hollywood wouldn't carry NC17 product. [But they carried unrated product, which allowed them to play both sides of the "scared parent" vs "film buff" divide]. And let's not forget the crown of the corporate censorship jewel: Wal-Mart refusing to carry NC17 product. And we all know that the ratings board has always judged sex more harshly than violence. THESE are the real reasons you don't see actual sex in corporate American movies. It has nothing to do with the old canard that "hinting sex is more artistic than showing sex." If your movie shows sex, you will be financially punished by eliminating your theatrical revenue. Some indie films get around this by intentionally going Unrated and financially planning for it. They know they're only going to get art-house theatres and then DVD/internet/TV revenue. They know they're not going to make 100 million dollars but they make their film for the art of it. People like sexuality. They want to see movies with it in it. Take it from a video retailer. The individual titles that are the top-renting of all-time in my stores are the sexual (and well-made) ones. [Not the pornos]. In a year, movies like The Unbearable Lightness of Being or Eyes Wide Shut rent more than some brand-new releases of the year. Simply because sex does sell (when it's done well). And now there's the pay-cable TV show factor. Writers with a good idea that may be too sexy for a 13-year-old target audience can now pitch their idea as a show for HBO, etc. That area of the market has been proliferating for sure, and much of it is sexual material (SEX and the City, Hung, Tell Me You Love Me, The L-Word, Californication, etc). Edited by - bustdowngal on 2/10/2011 8:18:14 PM [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 6:39PM Roads2M, I like your style [Link]
BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 8:29PM My dawg Roger Ebert gives one of his many rants about the US movie ratings system [Link]

BustdownGal Member 539 Posts 7/06	Posted - Feb 10 2011 : 9:15PM 1. I was very surprised to read SunShower's pov on a porn board, but I appreciate the insight. I believe that in the distant future, mainstream movies will include explicit sex. Once that barrier is broken, porn as we know it will disappear because Jules Jordan will be competing with Darren Aronofsky. I don't think Jules will be offended if I say that Aronofsky will win. But as a sexual auteur, Jules will appreciate a world in which Aronofsky is free to film a 3D explicit sex scene with James Franco and Natalie Portman in a project with a $50 million budget. I predict that the skills of the 2 industries will meld. While Jennifer Aniston may not actually fuck Javier Bardem on screen, stunt doubles from the former porn industry could fill in. 2. The screaming christian contingent will, for a long foreseeable future, make it hard to have real sex on-screen. I can see them trying to get Chloe Sevigny arrested if she becomes an actor who frequently has real sex for money on-screen. At least with simulating sex with dildos (like the show "Tell Me You Love Me") and special effects (like those stupid Scary Movies), you can't try to arrest someone for prostitution while filming in some podunk town. 3. There are mainstream movies with explicit sex scenes in them, but most of them are not happy movies. Antichrist did not make me want to double-dip at all, despite the erect penis. (2 words: ejaculating blood.) European movies with sex tend to not be happy (Baise moi, Romance, anything with Isabelle Huppert) and the ones that are happy are usually teen comedies. [Link]
Capt Easy Deactivated User 132 Posts 12/10	Posted - Mar 17 2011 : 1:58PM Never happen. Too distracting, and not interesting. [Link]
Ray Tango Member 24 Posts 3/11	Posted - Mar 18 2011 : 11:48PM Dr. Nasty wrote: This outcome is looking a little closer to becoming a reality.It seems as though mainstream is starting to warm up to porn and pornstars more now than before. I am waiting for the day where someone takes the full step in this direction to break the first barriers. Click to expand You are mistaken. Mainstream Hollywood is moving further away from adults-only content in movies. Mainstream Hollywood is about making money. You do not maximize your profit by limiting your audience. These days the biggest and most successful movies of the year are always PG or G rated. HBO and limited run indie movies - Those are not mainstream. Transformers 3, Harry Potter, Twilight Saga - That is mainstream. You will never see real sex in mainstream movies. [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 2:51PM ^ Agreed. [Link]
Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08	Posted - Mar 26 2011 : 2:57PM There's some controversy about the classic 1973 horror film "Don't Look Now" and the sex scene with Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie. Peter Bart wrote in his new book that he was on the set and witnessed the scene and that it was real. Sutherland denies it. [Link]
shank Member 119 Posts 2/09	Posted - Mar 28 2011 : 6:14AM ^ It is not clear why Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie must be made to have explicit sex and then editing out the explicit parts, when the same effect can be obtained by simulated sex. The actors too can be easily persuaded to have simulated sex and paid much less than for explicit sex (and avoid any risk of public exposure later). [Link]
backdoorman Senior Member Shake for me girl... I wanna be your backdoorman ! 2776 Posts 10/07	Posted - Mar 28 2011 : 11:49AM Has anyone seen "Lust , Caution" directed by Ang ? Real sex in that one. [Link]