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kingcoomer
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Posted - Mar 12 2025 : 4:45PM
WOC = Women of colour. I dislike that term, but "non-white women" is even worse.

In light of this company launching another brand where it looks like the vast majority of female talent will be white, I feel this is a fair conversation to have. This company doesn't book women of other ethnicities all that often and as someone who thinks there are gorgeous women of all kinds, that is sad to see. That company's been around for a decade so you'd think they'd acknowledge that by now.

I sympathize with the arguments against racial fetishism, but I don't think this would have to be inherently fetishistic. The goal should be celebrating beautiful women who don't always get the spotlight. Also, that would only be a concern for the on-screen talent. VMG is a company built on racial fetishism. I wouldn't want the implication to be that because these women aren't white, they can't be on Vixen or the other sites. It's just that the reality is they aren't. Vixen.com launched in 2016 and nearly nine years later, there are only 14 scenes on that site with Asian women. Black women make out a little better, with 29 tagged as "Ebony." There are group scenes with multiple girls of different ethnicities that aren't tagged under either, but that's not a large amount. They don't have a "latina" category, but that's kind of a nonsense term that refers to multiple ethnicities. Girls like Barbie Rous are just tagged under Ebony, for example. If they've ever booked Desi/South Asian or Arabic women, there hasn't been enough to justify a tag. Vixen.com has over 500 scenes. At best that's maybe 10% of their output starring women that aren't white. Their other sites don't seem to be any better. Booking some work is better than none.

I get that the industry and a lot of fans prioritize white women. In Vixen's case, they have a base of operations in Europe and often pull from Eastern European talent. Their sites usually only do weekly updates, so there's only so many spots. I'm sure existing Vixen and Tushy subscribers probably would be upset if the amount of notable white talent on those sites declined. That's why I think a new site dedicated to every other kind of woman would be beneficial. There's plenty of talent in the industry in the U.S. and even parts of Europe to make it work. Desi/South Asian women are becoming more prominent in western porn for possibly the first time ever. If talent pool depth is a concern, have a crew follow Max Garcia and Filou Fit's travels across South America or Kris Baumer/AsiaXXXTour in Asia. I think that would be great, as many of those women are limited to low end local productions, some of which are unwatchable (at least to me) Legal Porno-tier stuff. Help bring them to the global stage in a nicer way than that freakshow or the gonzo stuff indie performers produce.

I don't believe this is an issue of audience demand. Exotic4k isn't the biggest of sites around, but it's been going for over a decade now. Porn Pros doesn't shoot outside of the U.S. (not sure if they're limited to a specific region either), so that is a testament to the available talent. Social media sites aren't representative of the real world. That said, subreddits dedicated to East Asian, South Asian and black women have millions of members. The most popular interracial porn sub on the site is the one specific to black women and white men. Would most of those people pay for a subscription-based porn site? Of course not, but most people aren't paying for porn anyway.

baran132
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Posted - Mar 12 2025 : 5:42PM
I would rather them just add more women of color to all their sites (except for Blacked and Blacked Raw) rather than make a site just for women of color. I don't think it even works as a concept to just lump all women of color into a single site and it would perhaps exacerbate the problem even more.

For example, people who are specifically into Black women will be disappointed whenever a scene with an Asian or Latina is coming up. And I doubt there are many people who are specifically into women of color in general and exclude White women.

Not to mention that this would give VMG an excuse to include even less women of color in all their other sites, since they would have a website dedicated to it all.

kingcoomer
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Posted - Mar 16 2025 : 6:03PM
The "men who are interested in black women might not be interested in Asian women" comment is a fair point, but can't that be said for Vixen as it is? If you're interested in Asian or black women, you're not looking at their sites at all because you're maybe getting a handful of scenes a year. If that. That's why I suggest making a different brand. I do like the idea of expanding production beyond the U.S. and parts of Europe, which a separate subscription would help better justify. A lot of their sites have overlapping talent. This would be one of the few times they can open themselves to people they might never have booked.

Like I said, I wouldn't want a dedicated brand to be the only place you see these women, but with a weekly update schedule, there are only so many opportunities. With their main site, those often times go to European talent. Even with their preference towards white women, plenty don't shoot for Vixen proper either. This could be mitigated by upping production, but that seems unrealistic. They could be smarter about their booking choices (with limited amounts of shoots available, maybe don't do multiple scenes with the same girl in the same year?) but I have to assume there are reasons for that and that would only do so much.

baran132
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Posted - Mar 16 2025 : 11:19PM
Yes, which is why I would advocate for them to simply include more women of color in their sites. Brazzers has no problem doing it, and they're based in America. That's a much less messy situation than creating an entirely new site which just excludes White women.
I'm not against this idea, but like I said before, they can't just mash together all women of color into one site and exclude White women. Not to mention that it probably wouldn't be lucrative to expand prodction throughout the entire world for just one site. But I like the idea of maybe creating a site specifcally for Latin America, one for East Asia, one for Africa, etc. That way, viewers can always expect the type of women they're into.
pat362
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Posted - Mar 17 2025 : 3:40PM
Being a man who was lucky enough to start watching porn made in the 70's and 80's when there was a cornucopia of women of color to enjoy then I appreciate the OP's sentiment and I would be thrilled to see a resurgence of non-white women but it's important to acknowledge the elephant in the room. Where are these non-white women going to come from? Is it the fault of producers who for whatever reason are unwilling to hire them or are they simply not there? I don't know the answer but one thing is certain. Now that the various VMG owned sites are selecting more and more women from Eastern Europe to star in their videos than the chances of seeing non-white women gets further and further away.
 
kingcoomer
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Posted - Mar 17 2025 : 4:59PM
Aylo produces more porn that anyone else. Brazzers alone does two videos per day, so it would be difficult for them to only shoot white women without increasingly repetitive scenes. I'd have no issue with Vixen ramping up production for their existing sites, but like I said, I don't really see that as realistic.
There are plenty of women in the U.S. who don't shoot for Vixen, across all ethnicities. There are also producers in South America and East Asia booking girls you'd never find on most English-sites. Some of the latinas do travel to Spain or the U.S. to shoot scenes, but that's not universal. If Max Garcia, Filou Fit and Kris Baumer can shoot with these women as independents, I find it hard to believe an actual proper company couldn't. That would necessitate having people on the ground in those regions, but I think the upside is obvious. Girls you'll rarely find elsewhere on the English-speaking internet in shoots that aren't low-end and/or filled with extreme acts.
BradF
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Posted - Mar 19 2025 : 11:08PM
I would really love this and I think it owuld be novel and be copied by other companies as well
Asian400
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Posted - Mar 21 2025 : 4:02PM
I was trying to think of titles

Black.com is already a website plus would be too specific if they wanted to include other ethnicities. Colour/color wouldn't be an appropriate term. Dark is already a porn site just with an x added and again wouldn't fit with different ethnicities.

It would be great if they had a dedicated website but not sure it will ever happen.

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