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| Valentine Member  flash in the pan 153 Posts 8/11 |  Posted - Jul 1 2012 : 3:16AMI just read every thread in the Porn Pool on Jenna Jameson, Jesse Jane, and those that had “modern” and “new face” and “poster” (as in poster girl) in the title. Like her, loathe her, or feel indifferent when Jenna Jameson was around there was some consensus (actually quite a bit) that this person represented the face of porn. Regarding Jesse Jane, CNBC recently (as in 2011) stated that she is "for many, the face of modern porn.” Personally, I think Jesse Jane severely limited her exposure by signing with Digital Playground. Nonetheless, I think you could argue convincingly that she took the torch from Jenna or that it was passed to her. This is not the stuff of Polls – but rather the stuff of discussion. With all the niches we have today is there one person we can point to and say she is it? Is this even possible in the Internet age? What are the advantages to being able to single out one person? What are the disadvantages? I think people like having icons - and love to love - and love to hate the one the not-so-silent majority (media, critics, and fans) says is best, even if that one isn’t their favorite. What do you think? Edited by - Valentine on Jul 2 2012 [Link] |
| Libertine Member 61 Posts 1/10 | Posted - Jul 1 2012 : 5:40AM [Link] |
| alucard365 Member You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer 556 Posts 1/12 | Posted - Jul 2 2012 : 12:13PM Edited by - alucard365 on 7/2/2012 12:29:06 PM [Link] |
Flash  Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 2 2012 : 12:46PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 3 2012 : 8:38AM But I may be wrong. Explain why you think Jenna Haze is the new face of porn. Edited by - draxxx on 7/3/2012 8:48:55 PM [Link] |
| Cuddly Wombat Senior Member Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Jul 3 2012 : 8:53AM [Link] |
| dontdiewondering New Member 4 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 4 2012 : 5:54AM Jenna may not be the best performer but she was in the industry for longer than most people, got out of it sane (more than can be said for a lot of adult stars) and successful enough to basically do nothing the rest of her life at like 35 (more than can be said for most porn stars who retire and still have to work for the rest of their lives). What makes her comfortable as the face of porn for most people is also that her porn career is tame comparatively. She never did anal on screen, never did gonzo type stuff. She basically made her uber career on vanilla sex which the mainstream is more comfortable promoting than girls who make their career doing double/triple anal, fetish stuff, etc which is almost unavoidable nowadays. If I had to look beyond her, I would vote for Jesse Jane. She seems to do a ton of non-porn stuff and really get herself out there to the mainstream world. I've heard of Jenna Haze but I've never seen her outside of porn. You get stories fairly routinely of Jesse on TMZ, randomly on various non-porn TV stations, etc. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 4 2012 : 10:51AM [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 4 2012 : 12:31PM The only performer of this generation who I think might be known to the mainstream media is James Deen and if he isn't then there is a good chance that he will be. At least if he gets to play opposite Lindsay Lohan. [Link] |
| Goldmember Member 518 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Jul 4 2012 : 6:22PM If you mean to say that Jenna Jameson was the face of Porn in the sense that Merilyn Monroe was the mainstream sexual icon of her time. Then I think Jenna Jameson may still be the Icon of porn for the masses. No one has eclipsed her yet in terms of penetrating the minds of the North American mainstream. Porn like so much of our entertainment is splintered into endless genres and competes with more choice of content than ever before. IMHO there are several smaller icons that exist. More representative of their fanbase, more iconic to their fanbase however with small reach and influence than the Jenna Jameson"brand" would have today. I would make a case for Belladonna as one the biggest current Icons of Porn. She crosses over into so many genres: Big/Mainstream Studios (Vivid) Early Queen of HardCore/Gonzo (Helped launch JulesJordan empire) Is certainly on of the lesbian porn Icons Her Evail Angel lable has put her at the forefront of all kinds of fetish porn and alt porn. She has crossed into the realm of mainstream via the ABC Primetime new indictment of pornography. She has been featured in several porn documentary. Sasha Grey has a lot of mainstream awareness thanks to her porn career, a season on HBO's Entourage & Steven Soderbergh major motion picture "The Girlfriend Experience" Jena Haze is also well known for her long and consistent career she just has little mainstream crossover. Jesse Jane maybe the biggest star that is marketed to the mainstream porn watcher I just find it hard to see her as the new face of porn because she seems to represent such a thin slice of the industry to me. [Link] |
| Aplus Senior Member 1431 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jul 5 2012 : 3:05AM [Link] |
| dontdiewondering New Member 4 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 5 2012 : 11:51AM Every guy who can spend $2000 on a video camera and get a girl naked has his own 'studio' and every girl who can drop $20 on a webcam is a 'pornstar' now, except the 'star' portion of that is basically gone and that's what you notice. Now everyone is more a porn performer than a porn *star*. Even the most unattractive internet girls (cam/website) have hundreds of diehard fans because there's a fetish for everything and I'm not saying that's bad but....it makes it harder for any sort of singular definition of quality. Whereas you had to be at least vaguely attractive and talented to get hired at one of the few studios that existed back then as a contract girl or to get into magazines. I think it's now become almost impossible to be an internet star and then move that to offline stardom, and all the companies have basically set themselves up as 98% online, 2% offline (DVDs). The internet is just too much of a beast and there are just too many other performers on it and even the talented or good ones fade into the mesh of millions of other naked online girls and millions of porn websites. Sure they all have their pool of fans but I think it was different and easier to become a 'star' pre-internet when box covers meant something and being a contract girl was basically becoming a made woman. Now...who really cares who's a contract girl? And box covers? Nobody rents porn anymore to even see a cover. If people buy porn nowadays it's generally invisible digital files (no cover). Anyway. Just my .02. It seems like you either like Jenna and think she's earned her fame/money/title or you think she's absolute rubbish and there's not much middle ground. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 5 2012 : 9:30PM The thing I didn't like about girls like Jenna, Tera and Jesse being the the porn girls who get the most mainstream media coverage or being most well known is that they only cover a small part of the porn spectrum. Whenever they're being interviewed they almost seem down on some of the aspects of the porn biz. When people ask Jenna, Tera or Jesse about how many guys they've been with I think all of them are quick to point out that they only work with a few select guys like it's a badge of honor. That doesn't impress anyone in the porn community and it doesn't impress porn fans and I'm sure most of the mainstream audience couldn't care less. They also get questions like what if they do gangbangs, anal, and the more kinkier/arder stuff and again they answer no like it's a horrible thing they would never stoop to. My feeling is I'd like to hear from a real pornstar who embraces the profession and is able to talk honestly and frankly about all aspects of the different types of porn. I've been watching a few news shows/documentaries about porn lately and someone with experience needs to set the record straight on many of the things being said out there. I know there are some bad things that may go on in porn but it seems many of those shows just exaggerate and make some of that stuff up for the sake of sensationalism and no really disputes or calls them out on it. When talk like that comes up I don't think Jesse Jane is the person to go to for discussion (even though I'm a Jesse fan). If you had someone like Bobbi she could cover the whole spectrum because she's done most of it. Plus she directs her own films and that's good for the people who look at from the angle of how much power do girls in the business have and from the persective of a busnesswoman. She could talk about the treatment of women by men and how she treats them in comparison and such. And from a porn fan point of view wouldn't it be nice for the "face of porn" to actually be a great pornstar? That's why if I could pick a "face of Porn" I'd go with Bobbi Starr. [Link] |
| alucard365 Member You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer 556 Posts 1/12 | Posted - Jul 5 2012 : 10:28PM I would go with Jenna Haze or Sasha Grey, because they both done everything their is to do in porn, and they have a better view on porn as a whole. [Link] |
| dontdiewondering New Member 4 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 5 2012 : 11:11PM Why do girls in porn always have to do absolutely everything and if they don't then they're prudes / anti porn / not really porn performers / should hurry up and just do it because that's the ONLY way on God's green Earth to be a REAL 'star'? Who cares if a few fans want it? There are people out there that want to see guys shoving five fists up a girls anus, that doesn't mean it's going to happen, should happen or that that should suddenly be the mainstream sex act for the next decade or that the girls who do it are better than the girls who don't. Doing a sex act does not make you better or even a better performer than someone who does different sex acts. There's nothing wrong with having boundaries in porn. Everyone says porn should be fun for the girls and that the girls having a natural enjoyment of the sexual act translates to a better video. I agree. And forcing girls to do everything or else they'll have no career and no chance is ridiculous and is what leads to pornstars having to use various drugs and alcohol to get through shoots. This may be shocking to men but no matter how much lube you use, it's still painful to take a fist, two penises or a 6 inch thick dildo up your backside and keep it there for an hour or more for a film. So this idea that Belladonna or Haze or Grey are better than Jenna just because they've done more of those acts is ridiculous and actually hinders the porn industry. There are lots of girls who would love to do porn. Beautiful, gorgeous, sexy girls who would make amazing films but they stay away because they know it's basically double anal, airtight and drinking cups of semen or nothing. Jenna's not down on porn. She makes no bones about her past, unlike most stars who get out and immediately admit how horrendous, awful and depressing it was. Jenna [J]'s segments are always very positive. They invite her there when they want to explore pornography. For instance she did a great Oprah episode that was very positive and there wasn't any bashing at all. And a hilarious positive Wanda Sykes ep that was again, porn positive. She also won an anti-porn debate at Oxford. People ask because people are curious and she answers honestly, nothing more. Compare those to Sasha Grey's appearance on Tyra where she basically looked in tears, was completely ashamed, admitted she did it purely for money and it was completely dismal and anti-porn. Or compare it to Belladonna on ABC I believe it was where it was all about how depressed she was because of the business. She back-tracked after the interview but even her own sister basically said that the interview was truthful and that she was depressed and didn't necessarily enjoy the business, just the paycheque. She probably tried to take it back because she knew it would affect her business. No one in the industry would work with her badmouthing the industry like that. Edited by - dontdiewondering on 7/5/2012 11:14:56 PM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - Jul 6 2012 : 9:12AM And no, being a pornstar who does everything doesn't make her a better performer but I think it does make you a better pornstar. Porn covers a wide range of sexual acts, kinks and fantasies. A true pornSTAR should be able to and willing to as many as possible and that's what separates her from the rest of the pack and makes her a "star" instead of a mere performer. [Link] |
| pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Jul 6 2012 : 9:19AM [Link] |
| Stud_Rob Member 703 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Jul 6 2012 : 3:07PM Whether people like her not, in this era I think she probably does represent porn. But there are others that could be argued do as well. Stormy perhaps? [Link] |
| thehank Member 10 Posts 7/12 | Posted - Jul 29 2012 : 10:22AM Hank [Link] |
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